Your Neighbor Is A Porn Producer

[siliconefreak]

Poll question: Your Neighbor Is A Porn Producer

What would you do if you found out your neighbor was making amateur adult movies in his (or her) home?

[Warpy]

1. Adult porn? This neighborhood?

Laugh it off. You should see what they'd have to work with.

[Taxloss]

2. Accept it

Hell, it's legal.

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Ask him if he can get good weed...

I mean, a porn producer's gotta be able to get some fine herb, no? :D

[sweetheart]

21. Good one... yep!

Some fine green makes sweetheart a happy neighbor. :-)

[ConfuZed]

4. My former neighbor were making porn and sure I used to hear...

them screaming but I didnt pay it any mind.

[jmm]

5. Count my blessings

Porn doesn't do anything for me but there are worse professions my neighbors could be involved in.

[Shoeempress]

6. Accept it and not bring it up again. I have no interest in listening to

people bitch about work, nor do I make others listen to me bitch about work. Funny stories, those I want to hear and tell.

[Mojambo]

7. Two words: Free Samples. n/t

[LeftyMom]

8. Why would I care?

Assuming "finding out" didn't involve people going at it on my front porch, I really wouldn't give a shit. Hell, I wouldn't care if they were doing professional movies, provided they were good neighbors about it and didn't park thier vehicle in my space or make a lot of noise.

[TalkingDog]

57. I'll second that. n/t

[conflictgirl]

9. I doubt I'd say anything at all

If the way I found out was because they weren't being discreet, I might say something since I have small children. But beyond that, I really don't care at all what my neighbors do.

[MrSlayer]

10. I have some unattractive neighbors.

So my response would depend on which neighbors we are talking about.

[RoyGBiv]

11. Call the Police?

Why is that even an option? We're talking adult porn here, right?

One of my neighbors works in a bread store. He tells me when there's a fresh batch of my favorite bread being made. I tell him when we're offering special promotions where I work. Another neighbor works at a bank. I never speak to him about anything work related. One I'm interested in. The other, I'm not.

So, if you're curious, tell 'em you're good with a camera, or video editing, or whatever.

Otherwise, ignore it.

[siliconefreak]

18. some might

You can bet there are fundies who would call the police. The police might just laugh at them, but they'd still feel like they're doing the right thing.

[RoyGBiv]

26. Oh, I know ...

I just think that's incredibly silly.

I had a professor in college -- and old hippy type -- who had actual orgies at his house occasionally. He had a neighbor move in at some point who was incredibly nosey and figured out what was going on. He called the police.

Funny part of the story is the police ended up citing the guy who called in the complaint for tresspassing of the peeping tom variety. (I don't know the legal term for it.) The graphic part of these parties always occurred indoors, upstairs. The only way anyone could possibly see what was happening was if they entered my prof's property and stood in a specific location that let you see in one of the windows.

[Pepperbelly]

12. myob nt

[unhappycamper]

13. I'd ask if they need some help. n/t

[expatriate]

14. Consenting adults? No kids involved? No animals involved?

Everything legal and no-one being coerced?

Then it's absolutely no more of my business than what my neighbors do in the privacy of their home any other time. I would accept it and not bring it up.

Now, if I could only get the pictures of one particular set of my neighbors being in a porn film out of my mind...

You know, the sort of sight that makes you wish that benign deities would send down kind ravens to pluck out thine eyes ...

[Capn Sunshine]

15. Seriously

Most ground level porn people are incredibly skanky and a significant percentage are active hard drug users. That type of crowd in your neighborhood is only going to make things worse.

Would you be OK with it if they were making crystal meth in the garage? It brings the same types around. The less potential criminals and burglars on my street the better. I'm glad they are all gathered elsewhere for a porn shoot.

[zalinda]

19. Sorry to shake your beliefs

but, most of the amateur porn is made by middle Americans. You couldn't tell which house had porn being made in it if you tried. Drugs and porn used to go together, but not now, it is much more mainstream. And, there is too much money in it to get it messed up with drugs. One, legal, the other illegal, both make mucho money........which one would you choose, and why screw around with the other, and maybe get caught.

zalinda

[siliconefreak]

20. to Capn Sunshine - huh?

Where in the world are you getting your information? The Family Research Council?

The vast majority of people in the adult movie biz are not on drugs.

[RoyGBiv]

24. Ground level?

What pray tell does "ground level porn people" even mean?

Let's try this on for size.

Most people who work in banking are incredible assholes, and a significant percentage of them are alcoholics, and if they are white, chances are their kids are drug users, particularly meth and pot. (Recent studies do in fact show that the majority of teenage meth users in this country are middle to upper class white kids living in suburbia.) That type of crowd in your neighborhood is only going to make things worse.

Would you be OK with it if they were making crystal meth in the garage or driving around drunk? Bankers and their kids either are those types or bring those types around. The less potential drunk drivers and cranked out white kids thinking of burglary to support their habit on my street the better. I'm glad I don't live in suburbia and have to deal with them.

[BiggJawn]

28. That sounds like something straight from a Chick Tract...

I used to hear that Stockbrokers do a lot of Coke. Guess I should be glad i don't have Stockbrokers in my 'hood getting onto fights with their suppliers...

Reading your post is like listening to someone across the street say "I'm sure glad you're a decent quiet feller. The last guy that lived in there? He was one a'them Liberal Atheists! Had a sticker on his car that said "god is dead"! Lawdy, can you IMAGINE?"

I've been accused of unfairly stereotyping people myself at times, but I ALWAYS defer to a True Master of the Art.

Please continue....

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. Sounds like you've had some personal experience in the business....

...care to share?

[Capn Sunshine]

62. OK. I'll share

A segment of my clientele- I manage money- are what people would call "in the Biz". They are the ultimate benefactors of all the porn. They are the money guys who get rich off the rest.

That some of you naive people actually buy that crap that porn people are somehow, um "wholesome" is beyond funny.

I have LLCs that own buildings that rent to Caballero Productions and Vivid in Van Nuys, Northridge and Valencia. I have several clients who make 10s of millions of dollars a year off the industry. I have attended porn conventions with these guys. I have been at their pleasure domes and observed the production people firsthand. I have watched with their producers on set as they are filmed. I have seen shit that would make a dog puke. That these folk manage to hide their habits from you is interesting, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think they are upright citizens.

Believe me, I'm not a religious freak, I'm just telling it like it is children.

[Swamp Rat]

63. LOL!

[siliconefreak]

66. one man's opinion

Your tone is rather offensive.

I've worked for many years in adult entertainment, and the worst I've ever seen on a set has been marijuana.

Granted, some people might have drug issues in their personal lives, but when it comes to working, whether you're in front of the camera or behind the camera, you can't be messed up on drugs.

I'm sorry your experiences have been so negative. I guess you're hanging out with a rough crowd of people.

[blogslut]

68. Hmmm...

I have no idea what goes on in porn valley. I work for Internet porn. We aren't chained to Chatsworth. We're a much happier bunch.

[RoyGBiv]

73. Children?

I just love it when a person seems to believe his personal experiences somehow make him more wise and mature than everyone else around him or her, regardless of how much that person actually knows of those other people.

Granting that your experiences as an observer were extremely negative, I still fail to see how those experiences justify your prejudicial comments about what you euphemistically call "ground level porn people." Does being on a set with Vivid or Caballero or brushing sleeves with the money-men provide you with knowledge of these "ground level" people? If so, how so?

I have positively no illusions about the porn industry. But neither do I have any illusions about various other industries in which individual people with a range of habits and lifestyles work. I don't know a single person in the porn business, and I know a lot of people addicted to drugs, many of which (shock and horror) have what you might see as a "clean" job. You either form your opinion of people individually or you group them with prejudices. If you choose the latter, so be it. That I choose otherwise does not make me a "child."

[amazona]

75. that is the most dumb-A thing I ever heard

Maybe I've sold my porn to the wrong people but the last time I used meth was 30 years ago in high school. You don't want skinny skanks for porn. That's strictly for fashion modeling.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Horse with no Name]

16. I would mind my own business and if it got to the point that I didn't

like it or couldn't condone it--I would sell my house and move.
It's still a free country and whatever consenting people do is their own business, and if I don't like it, I can choose to ignore or leave.

[aeolian]

17. I'm in. My girlfriend would probably be down, too.

Where do we sign up?

:evilgrin:

[Botany]

22. Look as long as they are not social misfits like bush voters ......

....... Move on nothing to see here. :rofl:

[Stinky The Clown]

23. This would concern me because ...... ?

Why would I care? I'd be far more worried about an illegal day care. Or a crack house. Or a fertilizer plant. Or a puppy mill.

There are plenty of worse neighbors than a porno maker.

Now .... it if spilled out of the house and became obvious, that might bother me ... but no more than an illegal day care whereby and endless procession of cars would be parked everywhere ... like maybe on my front lawn. Or a puppy mill with dogs barking all day and night.

Wjat goes on **inside** someone's house is absolutely no concern of mine. Only when it impacts the common space or peace and quiet is it an issue.

[bemildred]

25. WGAS? nt

[kliljedahl]

27. They are?

I never would have guessed.

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[blogslut]

29. I don't produce porn but...

I work for the Internet porn industry.

I pay my taxes. I keep my yeard clean. The police have never been to my house. I give money to charity. My neighbors don't have a clue.

[kliljedahl]

31. Upstanding citizen then.

Wish you were my neighbor. My current ones are "Trailer Trash Hilljacks", don't do any of those things. I bet it's their first time in a house wothout wheels.
On edit: Just checked your site, hilarious. Is MissPoppy.com real or a spoof?


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[blogslut]

32. Real

Miss Poppy rules :)

[kliljedahl]

34. Couldn't decide

Great satire if it wasn't.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[blogslut]

36. Another great satire blog:

Jesus' General
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com

[kliljedahl]

37. I've got that in my favorites already

LOVE!! republican jeebus


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[blogslut]

38. Correction RE: Miss Poppy

Miss Poppy is a real site. She sells real products that you can really buy and have delivered to your real home.

Her content is satire :0}

[kliljedahl]

42. Then I'd consider it satire.

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[yurbud]

30. How attractive are the women and is a window facing my house?

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[wtmusic]

33. Keep mum if he plied me with free DVDs n/t

[siliconefreak]

39. could be a felony

Unfortunately, many states have made it a felony.

This right-wing site lists all of the states and their laws against sexually-explicit magazines, movies, etc.:

http://www.moralityinmedia.org/nolc/index.htm

One would hope that these laws would be successfully challenged in court, but the truth is that many of them have been upheld, and people have been sent to prison for making porn.

From what I've read in the Florida laws, it's a felony to simply LEND an adult video to a friend. Unreal. Who writes these laws? Oh wait - silly me - Reverend Jeb Bush and his disciples in the Florida Legislature are in control.

[blogslut]

50. morality in media? feh

I'm well aware of Morality in Media.

Most prosecutions that were issued against porn producers are usually for tax evasion. Rarely does anyone get convicted for violating community standards.

Porn for adults, created by adults is not illegal. However, SCOTUS has ruled that obscentiy is not protected speech. NOTE: Not illegal, just not protected.

It's up to local states and city governments to make obscenity legislation and then test it's constitutionality in the courts.

[Pushed To The Left]

56. This is why I can't believe

that libertarians vote for the religious right! Personal freedom and the religious right don't mix!

www.aclu.org
www.au.org
www.pfaw.org
www.tolerance.org

[siliconefreak]

60. Republicans - Keeping Government in Our Lives

For years, Republicans told voters that they were the party that would help keep government out of their lives.

I haven't heard them saying that for the last few years. Interesting that the Democrats have become the party of freedom and libertarianism.

[mongo]

80. It's amazing so many people think that porn is legal

So thanks for pointing that out.

Making porn is legal ONLY in Ca, and I suppose in whatever federal district that is served by the court in Pittsburgh (due to the recent exremem assoc. decision)

Assuming you are paying your performers, making porn is considered pandering prostitution everywhere else. And people do get busted and convicted for it on a regular basis.

As far as selling adult movies, they are illegal in 40 states. Even a realisitic looking dildo is illegal in most states. The fact is that it is TOLERATED, but it is by no means legal. lThe first ammendment restricts prior restraint of free speech, so a movie is not "obscene" and therefore illegal, until it is judged so by a jury (assuming the defendent doesn't plea bargain for a huge fine, which often happens). But the fact is the way the law is written ANY sexually explicit movie, and realistic looking toy are ILLEGAL.

So, next time you're in your friendly neighborhood adult store, thank the clerk for sticking their neck out and sitting on the bleeding edge of the first ammendment. And they're doing it for a lot less money than your neighborhood pot dealer.

[bertha katzenengel]

40. if it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket

live & let live

[Lars39]

44. Actually, it could be picking your pocket if they're making $$$

and not paying taxes on that income. Your county and state are missing the revenue.

[bertha katzenengel]

47. Yes. But that doesn't bother me so much that I would blow the whistle.

[Lars39]

49. Seems like the IRS would catch up to them sooner or later

and solve that problem. :)

[bertha katzenengel]

51. Solve a LOT of problems.

:)

Weird thing is, porn really, really, really bothers me. A lot. But I wouldn't foist my opinion on the rest of the world. Just keep the kids out of it and I don't care.

[Lars39]

53. Yep.

Any more kitty pics to post? :)

[bertha katzenengel]

54. As a matter of fact

if you don't mind linking... :blush:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=3388453&mesg_id=3388453

[Lars39]

55. ohh, prettty!

Thanks. I love their markings. :)

[Warren DeMontague]

58. That's a very mature opinion.

If everybody in this country could adopt that sort of stance re: consenting adults, the privacy of one's own home, and the things they, personally, may not like or approve of.. wow. the mind boggles.

The religious right, certainly, would be smack out of business.

Unfortunately its much more fun, apparently, to be a control freak.

[aion]

71. My experience in Sweden

I spent 6 months in Sweden. The corner store had everything from fresh produce, to soups, to coffee, smut, etc. I have to admit, I had a moment of culture shock myself -- those magazines were not covered in any way, and you could see...ummm....everything.

That's not the end of the story, however. This store had more than just a couple wandering kids in it. In fact, not terribly far from that magazine rack was a bulk candy center. The kids used the bulk candy quite often, and did NOT pay any attention to the smut rack.

Now I grant you, if they had attempted to pick up one of those magazines, the shop owner probably would have run them out of the store with a good scolding. I went to this store at least every other day, and not once did I see any of the kids so much as even stare at the rack.

Adding to that, the European MTV networks show female nudity quite often. It is not seen as offensive -- at least not by the vast majority of them.

[siliconefreak]

48. small-time operators might do that

But you better believe that the big companies are paying their taxes. It's MUCH easier to shut down a business for tax evasion than it is to get an obscenity conviction.

[expatriate]

59. Why would they not be paying taxes?

I've known people who made amateur porn, and yes, they paid taxes. Had themselves down as being in "entertainment".

I've known prostitutes who paid taxes too. They were self-employed.

I've also known plenty of people who weren't working in the sex industry who were working under the table and not paying any taxes.

A person's form of employment doesn't automatically mean that they're not paying taxes on their income.

[Lars39]

61. A lot of people have side businesses that they run our of their homes.

Not all feel the need to pay taxes. :shrug:

[amazona]

76. er, we pay taxes

Where do you get that porn sellers don't pay taxes?

Everything I sell for $600 or more comes with a 1099! There is no undeclared income in porn.

Porn is not the same as prostitution. People who produce porn are trying to keep it legal. They have not given up trying to play by the rules and being a part of legal society.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Warren DeMontague]

41. If I was single I might ask him to introduce me to Veronika Zemanova

but since I'm married I'd limit myself to borrowing his weed whacker.

No, really.

[Enraged_Ape]

46. Ahhh, Veronica

She's mine. You can have Aria Giovanni.

[yella_dawg]

43. None of the above.

Shit. I need a job.

Maybe I could hold lights or something.

[AlCzervik]

45. as long as said porn involves consenting adults than it's none of my

business.

[Maraya1969]

52. Hey check this out

Years ago I had this roommate that I got through a newspaper add. She was supposed to work for a bank but then very shortly she started working as a stripper. When she was in her room with her boyfriend things were quiet but there were a few times that she WOKE ME UP with her screaming. And the boyfriends was not around. So I started suspecting but guess who told me "Yes she is a prostitute"

1. My father! Because she propositioned him!

:rofl:

[Solly Mack]

64. it's nonya*

*provided it's only consenting adults involved

[ObaMania]

65. I've got a couple'a hottie neighbors and I'd defintely want a ..

piece of the action! :evilgrin:

[NMMNG]

67. Adult movies?

Assuming no children were involved I wouldn't do a thing...I wouldn't get involved in any way. None of my business. I don't know if it's legal or not in my area but as long as they're all adults I'm not playing "moral police".

[aion]

69. Zoning Laws?

If my neighbor was making these movies for a hobby, that is one thing. If he or she is making them as part of a business endeavor, then I suspect that zoning laws would or should apply.

[aion]

70. All porn is, by definition, illegal

Pornography is a legal term. It is material which is illegal BECAUSE it doesn't meet with local standards of decency. Call it smut, erotica, or adult sexual entertainment -- but calling it pornography is a bit preposterous.

[siliconefreak]

72. local laws

Again, it depends somewhat on local laws. Some states, such as Oregon and Vermont, have no obscenity laws, but most states do. The bigger threats are the federal obscenity laws, which obviously affect everyone.

[amazona]

78. that is absolutely not true

Pornography is not illegal. There was a movement, years ago, to call porn you liked erotica and porn you didn't like porn. But it was never a legal distinction. And pretty much anyone who isn't high on his own self-importance is perfectly happy to call it all porn these days.

If the materials are obscene under the law, they are obscene. Not porn. Lots of porn is perfectly legal. Soft-core porn like Maxim or Playboy is legal in every state.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[mongo]

82. Pornography is NOT a legal term

OBSCENITY is a legal term. Pornography runs the gamut from Playboy to the latest release from Extreme Associates.

We don't have prior restraint of free speech here in America, so ANY magazine or movie is LEGAL until judged otherwise. Of course, the way the laws are written, the convenience store clerk can be arrested for selling playboy.

It is material which is illegal BECAUSE it doesn't meet with local standards of decency

Here you are right, but tell me - why in this country where individual rights are valued, can a jury of 12 tell me what I can and cannot sell? And I'm not talking about children or animals - both a film record of a CRIME, so don't even try to bring that into it.

And, with this whole "community standards" idea, you have made me, your local adult store owner, arbiter of what is or is not the community standard. Am I supposed to know the exact contents of all 1700 movies in my back room? The way the laws are written only produces a chilling effect on free speech. I can be arrested for selling a movie which may have been shown on pay-per-view cable in the same town - on a cable system awarded a franchise by the local government. And what is a "community standard" these days with the Internet readily, available?

The adult obscenity laws in this country are a joke and blatantly unconstitutional.

[amazona]

74. what makes you so sure that i am not "your" neighbor?

I have been known to produce some porn and I have even -- gasp! -- been paid for same. Get over it. If no one is parking on the street, it doesn't affect zoning or housing values. If you had to "find out," it wasn't harming you. Sure, blatant violations of code should be reported. My neighbor was reported for operating a wood working shop from his house. (not by me) But customers were parking up and down the street and ringing the wrong doorbells. It doesn't matter if it's porn. If your business is a nuisance, it doesn't belong in a residential neighborhood. If your business can only be discovered by a dedicated pervert trolling the adult web sites, and no one is ever parking up and down the street or ringing the doorbells or affecting property values, it's no problem, dude.

I'll give you a clue. There are probably, gasp, call girls or housewives making a part-time income in your nice neighborhood too. It's a big who cares if you ask me.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[siliconefreak]

81. I think you misunderstood

You sound really defensive. I only started the poll because I thought it would make an interesting discussion. I've worked in the business for many years. I was just curious to see how "regular people" would respond to my question.

[Maestro]

77. As long as it doesn't involve minors and he never tries to

get my daughter or son involved, it's cool.

[RedstDem]

79. My Neighbors are too hot for me to even think about

took me ten minutes for the thought to pass before i could even start typing this !