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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:32 PM
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This Impeachment Notice?
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 12:32 PM by lonestarnot
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John Kerry announced Thursday that he intends to present Congress with The Downing Street Memo, reported last month by the London Times. The memo purports to include minutes from a July 2002 meeting with Tony Blair, in which Blair allegedly said that President Bush's administration "fixed" intelligence on Iraq in order to justify the Iraqi war.
The Downing Street Memo is the leaked secret British document that details the minutes of a 2002 meeting between top-level British and American government officials. The memo states that George Bush "was determined" to attack Iraq long before going to Congress with the matter, and that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
So far neither government has disputed the accuracy of the memo.

The memo caused an uproar in Britain and made a significant impact in the British national elections, but has received little attention in American news.
The Boston Globe published an article by Ralph Nader, Tuesday, in which Nader also called for President Bush's impeachment. The story is being carried on Michael Moore's website and the Democratic Underground.
Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush's impeachment to Congress, on Monday.
Kerry said of the memo: "When I go back on Monday, I am going to raise the issue. I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."
He questioned Americans' understanding of the war and the idea that criticism equals disloyalty, saying, "Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"
House Representative John Conyers has written to the President regarding the memo:
"...a debate has raged in the United States over the last year and one half about whether the obviously flawed intelligence that falsely stated that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction was a mere 'failure' or the result of intentional manipulation to reach foreordained conclusions supporting the case for war. The memo appears to close the case on that issue stating that in the United States the intelligence and facts were being 'fixed' around the decision to go to war."There is a growing movement on the internet and in Congress for a "Resolution of Inquiry" into issues surrounding the planning and execution of the Iraq war, especially in regard to the Administration's handling of intelligence.
John Dean, a key Watergate figure, wrote in a June 2003 column for a legal website, that, "To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked... Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause."
However, in practical terms impeachment in the U.S. Senate requires a 2/3 majority for conviction, which is unlikely given that 55 out of 100 Senators are Republican.
When asked about the Downing Street Memo on May 23, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "If anyone wants to know how the intelligence was used by the administration, all they have to do is go back and look at all the public comments over the course of the lead-up to the war in Iraq, and that's all very public information. Everybody who was there could see how we used that intelligence.
"And in terms of the intelligence, it was wrong, and we are taking steps to correct that and make sure that in the future we have the best possible intelligence, because it's critical in this post-September 11th age, that the executive branch has the best intelligence possible."



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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:34 PM
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1. Hope sustains us.
peace.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:36 PM
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2. Nope...hope is not all we got here! We have strength yet!
People are not that worn out!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:48 PM
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8. Yes. We are a tenacious group!
Truth is our most powerful weapon!

peace.:patriot:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:49 PM
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10. Bulldogs all!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:56 PM
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15. My personal favorite...Dog with a bone!!!!!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:21 PM
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19. Dog wit a bone! ROFLOL
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 01:21 PM by lonestarnot
And one to pick!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:41 PM
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3. Impeachment: say it loud and there's music playing. Say it soft,

and it's almost like praying. Impeachment.


:)


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:44 PM
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5. Whisper softly my darling...Scream it MoFos!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:47 PM
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7. We need to make it music to the ears of America

You have a good point.
Democrats need to start saying the word - what do we have to be afraid of?

If our "leaders" would get spines they would mention the word ever time they get a chance.

Things like:

"Clinton LIED about a blue dress
BUSH LIED and sent our children to WAR - IMPEACH HIM!"

" BUSH should be IMPEACHED for the WAR CLIMES that he has committed."


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:48 PM
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9. Chant Rant Chant repeat after me IMPEACH BUSHITLER NOW!
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:58 PM
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16. Yes
Wish the families who have lost loved ones could inundate the Senate with pictures of the deceased. Send shrub, cheney, rove, rummy, etc. to the Hague.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:42 PM
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4. WTF?
"Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush's impeachment to Congress, on Monday."

I thought Kerry hadn't mentioned impeachment at all, only the DSM. Any further info on this?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:45 PM
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6. This is their take....President Kerry only taking it to the floor of .
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 12:47 PM by lonestarnot
Senate; Impeachment begins in House.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:50 PM
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11. I don't think he has
I just saw the article from the South Coast paper that someone posted where he said he was going to bring it up Monday in the Senate. Nothing about impeachment although I'm sure that's what he has on his mind since lying to Congress/Senate is illegal. Unless there's a new interview where Kerry mentions it I don't think he did. Of course they love to point out he's a "failed presidential canidate" so they can paint him as "sore loser". :eyes:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:52 PM
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12. But many know the truth about the stolen election...and skip
that part! LOL
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:54 PM
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13. IMPEACH THIS BITCH AMERICA! HE'S A LIAR!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:56 PM
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14. Monday hurry up and GET here!
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:02 PM
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17. Kerry presenting this is the last thing we need...
Look, I know the memo is very damaging, needs addressed, and could well be the foundation for impeachment, but having Kerry at the forefront of this is going back to the circular firing squad strategy. Being the losing (winning?) candidate in 2004, this will be dismissed by many as sour grapes. The memo will not be discussed, because the Hannity's and O'Reillys of the world will be able to turn the argument into another "Kerry lost, get over it" and "irrational personal attack on the president" circle jerk.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:18 PM
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18. Nope do not agree! We are not over it...bushitler cheated, he
didn't win! and Kerry is my real Mr. President and he's a great leader! No other can present this as well as he can simply because he is brilliant!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:53 PM
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20. Regardless of who brings it up....
those in the corporate media will say the same thing. The solution to this problem is the problem...Cable news is irrelevant...and we need to get over that.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:55 PM
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21. Cool out and put a message on your car window!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 02:15 PM
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23. is that like chill out?....
I just got on the puter a little while ago....haven't even gotten up to speed yet...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 02:19 PM
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24. chill out cool out... no diff.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 02:02 PM
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22. Corect
impeach the bastards
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 02:38 PM
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26. yep
we have to get behind Kerry for bringing up the memo and stop worrying about how they will spin it.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:01 PM
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27. Exactamundo!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 02:32 PM
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25. The tide is changing. The RW can't stop it.
The walls are moving in on the BushCO/neoCON regime. They can't stop it.

There are true patriots uniting and gathering their forces to rein in these imperialist freaks whose behavior over the last thirty years created a climate of anti-American passions.

The imperialists' exploitation of people will no longer be tolerated. Their campaign of illusions is being destroyed.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:01 PM
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28. Feel the winds blowing that way also!
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:22 PM
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29. Keys To Impeachment
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