Impeach Bush Brainstorm Thread

[ck4829]

Ideas of how to move ahead. Bush MUST be impeached.

There is good in just impeaching Bush. Cheney can't operate in the Public, he is like Tom DeLay, he likes obscurity, not very Presidential Qualities if you ask me.

Ideas on when, how, and what we should use to impeach Bush, please.

[democracyindanger]

1. When we become the majority party in the House or Senate

would be a good start.

[The Doctor.]

4. Gotta beat those machines to do that.

[corbett]

23. That's Why We Need VIVA!

http://www.commoncause.org/VIVA2005

[MichiDem]

6. Agreed...

...the people can't impeach Bush, Congress does.

[me b zola]

27. a little thing that I've noticed

Congress, like the Senate, act when they feel it is in their own best interest. True enough that most of them have cowed to * because they fear the cabal, but wait...what about the Social Security issue? Why are they refusing to tow the line on that one??? Because it is an issue that they know they will have to answer to their constituents, and their constituents want them to keep their hands off of ss.

Another factor that comes into play is their conscience---yes, many of them may still posses one. Look how Voinivich struggled(s) to do the right thing on the Bolton nomination. He knows what the administration is up to, knows what they are guilty of, and he knows what they are capable of, but yet he speaks up (kind of). I think alot of our elected officials have woke up to the smell of fascism, and they don't know what to do. My point is, if they were to feel as though there was a groundswell to give them cover, many would do the right thing.


We must get loud, we must be relentless, we cannot afford to wait for the 'perfect moment'.

[Sapphire Blue]

9. President Pelosi in 2006

Flash: GOP Swept from Power in 2006;
Impeachment Looms

By Bernard Weiner and Ernest Partridge
Co-Editors, The Crisis Papers
May 31, 2005


(Associated Press, Nov. 8, 2006) The Democrats didn't waste any time after their landslide victory in Tuesday's midterm election that put them in charge, with huge margins in both the House and Senate.

The incoming Democratic chairs of the various investigatory committees announced that subpoenas would be going out immediately to the White House for all documents relating to when and how the decision to attack Iraq was made; to how far up the chain of command the authorization for torture went; and whether Bush and Cheney and/or their subordinates lied to the Congress and the American People. Congressional committees also will be on the lookout for evidence of Administration involvement in war crimes, bribery and election fraud, Democratic officials said.

It is expected that bills of impeachment will be filed shortly thereafter against both President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

If both Bush and Cheney are removed from office, the new Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, would become the President, as stipulated in the Presidential Succession Act of 1947; she would nominate a Vice President for approval by the Senate.

Continued @ http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-w/impeachment.htm

[The Doctor.]

2. here-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1828820&mesg_id=1828849

[babsbunny]

5. HERE!

www.reopen911.org. Please sign the petition. What could it hurt?

[mpanno]

3. It's not just Bush

that must be impeached, it's the whole damn administration + Rove.

[HockeyMom]

7. That is where the Felony Conspiracy Implication comes from

Bush could not do it ALONE.

[zann725]

26. All of Shrub's nominee have all perjured themselves under oath...

i.e., Condi,Gonzalez...

If the 'Fall' starts, it'll be a house-of-cards.

[sellitman]

8. Fix the machines

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

[havocmom]

10. Absolutely

correct

[sellitman]

14. Why is the point constantly lost on those in here?

Just wondering aloud.

[havocmom]

15. Dunno. Yakking about who to run in 08 is sorta silly when the vote has`

already been decided by those owning the #@@!*$) machines.

Yakking about impeachment is fucking ridiculous when we DON"T HAVE THE VOTES IN CONGRESS and we won't ever have them UNLESS THE BALLOTS ARE COUNTED ACCURATELY.

Why people don't get that pertinent little point is beyond me. Unless there are people who WANT us not to pay attention to what matters and instead spin our wheels worrying about angels dancing on pin heads.

[lucca]

21. Yes!

I feel the same way.
I don't trust the electronic voting machines.
I don't like them.
I don't want them to decide who wins...

[babsbunny]

11. Don't forget

www.johnconyers.com and sign his petition concerning the Downing Street Minutes. It only takes one Congressperson to start Impeachment proceedings?

[firefox]

12. It needs to be done on stage. There need to be mock trials.

Writers and producers need to bring us the core elements to the public using plays or video productions. The country needs a trial and the arts need to produce one so that nobody can escape the seriousness of the crimes of the Bu$h cabal.

It would help if the intellectuals would have mock trials to enrich the material for the artist. Or you might ask people to act like they were on the floor of the House presenting the case against Bu$h.

Anyway, those that can produce works that advance the cause need to come forward and lay a foundation for the next work. I guess the very basic of things is to prepare the Articles of Impeachment like Ramsey Clark did and Francis Boyle did. But then they need to be read or a video made of them being read so that there is a new avenue to penetrate the ignorance that protects the cabal.

And then there is music that could make Bu$h take the rap. It all has to get past the written word. One in three Americans cannot read even if they wanted to learn of the cause of impeachment.

[shadowknows69]

20. I have the camera and editor.

find me some actors in Upstate NY

[The Doctor.]

24. There's a great idea.

Actually do a 'docu-drama' that plays all the facts and have both sides present their cases... I think that would be a revolutionary media event... so to speak.

[sasquatch]

13. It will never happen as long as Biden and other DLCers are in the Senate

You see Karl Rove knows that Bush is safe because he's got DLCers like Biden in the senate that won't ever stand up the Bush.

[firefox]

16. We are not even getting an answer to our question?

Has Bu$h committed impeachable/criminal offenses? I say he has launched an illegal war among other things and so does most of the world. I say so, but for some reason nobody in Congress wants to answer the question.

There is a problem with Congress when you cannot get an answer to such a huge question. The fact that there is a huge problem with the fascist Congress is only highlighted by the discussion. It seems like all we get is please be quiet, there will be no impeachment.

[sasquatch]

17. Yes Bush has committed an impeachable offense

But all we'll get is "Bush is a good man that has made mistakes and we can't discuss devisive stuff like that" as long as the DLC is in the senate.

[Sapphire Blue]

18. A Message from Congressman Adam Smith

Each & every time I have written to my Congressman regarding impeachment, this is the exact reply, word for word, that I have received. In one letter, I also requested that he sign Conyers' letter... no acknowledgement of that request, just the same BS reply. (Note: Smith ran unopposed in 2004 Primary and won by 63% in the General)

Edited to add: Smith is a Democrat... a DLC Democrat

Thank you for taking the time to e-mail me in support of taking steps to impeach President Bush. I appreciated hearing from you and would like to take a moment to respond.

As you know, impeachment involves the legislative branch of our government (Congress) bringing accusations against officials such as cabinet members, judges, and the President. The power to impeach resides solely with the House of Representatives; the power to try an impeachment case resides solely with the Senate. The Chief Justice of the United States presides over the inquiry in case of impeachment of the President. Traditionally, the House, after drawing up and voting on articles of impeachment that specify the charges and their factual bases, assigns congressional "managers" (prosecutors) to present the case before the Senate. At the start of the trial, the members of the Senate are sworn in as "jurors" by the chief justice. A two-thirds vote of the senators present is required to convict. Punishment is limited to removal from office, though disqualification from future office is considered to fall within the discretion of the Senate, and the acts of the accused are still subject to criminal proceedings in the courts. Impeachable acts cited in the Constitution are "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

One of the most difficult questions raised by these provisions is: What are high crimes and misdemeanors? The conclusion reached by most scholars is that clear criminal law violations represent impeachable offenses, whereas misconduct that is not necessarily criminal but that undermines the integrity of the office (such as disregard of constitutional responsibilities) may rise to the level of an impeachable offense. Partly because of this, impeachment has taken place infrequently. By making impeachment difficult, the Constitution guards against the intrusion of the legislature into the business of the judiciary and executive branches. It also ensures that impeachment remains primarily a legal, or judicial, procedure rather than a political process.

I agree with you on the need to confront the President on the points where he has been dishonest with the American people. For example, the President misled the American people in proposing his tax policy. I also agree that Americans should not tolerate such behavior. That is why I wrote an op-ed for the News Tribune criticizing the President for selling the tax cut in a fundamentally dishonest manner. You can find the op-ed on my website at http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/wa09_smith/030529op.html if you'd like to better understand my thinking on the issue.

I want you to know I also have concerns about the Administration's handling of intelligence about weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, as well as about the quality of that intelligence. I am troubled that we have not found WMD in Iraq in the places where our intelligence sources said we'd find them. I am astounded that an erroneous and partially fabricated piece of intelligence about Iraq's nuclear ambitions rose to the level of the President's State of the Union address.

As for impeachment itself, that is a very serious step to take. I strongly believe that it should be reserved for the gravest of occasions, because respecting our process of democratic governance is such an important foundation in our country. I do believe that people who disagree with President Bush's policies and judgment have an obligation to put forth better ideas and show the American people how the country could be made stronger and better under different leadership. I am working very hard to do that.

I hope I have sufficiently explained my thinking on these issues. Please be assured that I will continue to challenge the President when I disagree with him, whether on matters of policy or ethics.

Adam Smith
Member of Congress

[firefox]

19. Thank you for an answer

When we have a pResident that has committed grave crimes including an illegal war and we do not get a trial on the issue, do you not thing there is another huge problem with Congress that only does not do its duty, but will not even address the question?

Of course my answer is that you should know something is bad wrong when you cannot even smoke a joint in peace. But the opportunity arises to show the complete breakdown/takeover of the system when we cannot get a direct answer from almost every member of Congress.

Part of the design of the system is to make people think that things cannot be changed. That is why people do not vote.

The thread ask for ideas of what we can do. I say we need to recognize that Congress needs replacing to the last man. It needs swept clean. People need to adopt a policy of NRA- Never Re-elect Anybody(that is presently in Congress.) I realize that history shows us that an incumbent wins 19 out of 20 times. But if there is a block of supporters that refuses the incumbent on principle, there will be a wind to bring in new blood and make candidates think there is at least a chance of victory.

[sellitman]

22. So sad but true.

Him and LIE-berman are two of the worst.

[Lone_Wolf]

25. First get him and his administration tried for war crimes

and then impeachment...