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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:45 PM
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Torture - Upper echelon involvement? You decide. (HOLY SHIT)
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 10:55 PM by BigBearJohn
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski112.html
and http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html

No wonder they don't want these new pictures to be released.

With mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, one only needs to examine the record of abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israel to understand what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meant, when referring to new, yet to be released photos and videos, he said, "if these images are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse."

According to a political appointee within the Bush administration and U.S. intelligence sources, the interrogators at Abu Ghraib included a number of Arabic-speaking Israelis who also helped U.S. interrogators develop the "R2I" (Resistance to Interrogation) techniques. Many of the torture methods were developed by the Israelis over many years of interrogating Arab prisoners on the occupied West Bank and in Israel itself.

Clues about worse photos and videos of abuse may be found in Israeli files about similar abuse of Palestinian and other Arab prisoners. In March 2000, a lawyer for a Lebanese prisoner kidnapped in 1994 by the Israelis in Lebanon claimed that his client had been subjected to torture, including rape. The type of compensation offered by Rumsfeld in his testimony has its roots in cases of Israeli torture of Arabs. In the case of the Lebanese man, said to have been raped by his Israeli captors, his lawyer demanded compensation of $1.47 million. The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel documented the types of torture meted out on Arab prisoners. Many of the tactics coincide with those contained in the Taguba report: beatings and prolonged periods handcuffed to furniture. In an article in the December 1998 issue of The Progressive, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb reported on the treatment given to a 23-year old Palestinian held on "administrative detention." The prisoner was "cuffed behind a chair 17 hours a day for 120 days . . . had his head covered with a sack, which was often dipped in urine or feces. Guards played loud music right next to his ears and frequently taunted him with threats of physical and sexual violence." If additional photos and videos document such practices, the Bush administration and the American people have, indeed, "seen nothing yet."

Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence services, it is noteworthy that one, John Israel, who was identified in the report as being employed by both CACI International of Arlington, Virginia, and Titan, Inc., of San Diego, may not have even been a U.S. citizen. The Taguba report states that Israel did not have a security clearance, a requirement for employment as an interrogator for CACI. According to CACI's web site, "a Top Secret Clearance (TS) that is current and US citizenship" are required for CACI interrogators working in Iraq. In addition, CACI requires that its interrogators "have at least two years experience as a military policeman or similar type of law enforcement/intelligence agency whereby the individual utilized interviewing techniques."

Quote for the millenium: "You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you." -- American philosopher Eric Hoffer
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:47 PM
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1. Although it is still largely undocumented....
"Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence ............"

Why don't we wait till its documented before we blame big bad Israeli.

This article smells of agenda, and believe me, I'm not at ALL a fan of Israeli policy of anykind.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:52 PM
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7. The Likud government of Israel ...
is AS slimy or WORSE than our own GOP ....

FUCK Likud ... right up their vicious arses ....

If Rumsfeld and the REST of the PNAC/AEI Neocon crowd can torture prisoners, they can CERTAINLY get assistance from those who HATE Arabs most: Likud .....
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:56 PM
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13. Yeah, you are right...
Lets not wait till there is actually proof of this.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:17 PM
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18. We knew the neo cons were enamored with how the
Israelis handled the Palestinians and how the Likud handled diplomacy.

News did come out that Israelis were teaching us techniques. Early on in the Abu Ghraib scandal there was speculation that at least one of the torturers was Israeli.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:19 PM
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20. I dont need proof of 'this' ...
to know that Likud would be MORE THAN WILLING to aid in the torture of an arab prisoner held by americans ....

WHY must I give Likud slack ? .... I DESPISE them ...

They are RIGHT WING NUTCAKES .... Just like our own RW fruits ....

WHY do you insist that I lay off Likud ? ...

Note: Israel is a Nation .. Likud, is a party within Israel ... Likud is NOT Israel, nor a nation .... Dont confuse the issue ... I LOVE Jews: but I DESPISE Likud ..... Just like I LOVE America, and DESPISE the GOP .... Get it ? ...... good ...
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:17 AM
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27. Damn right! Likud is not Israel any more than the neocons are America.
And I say that as a Jew and a Zionist--AND an American!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:29 PM
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41. Poignant point which deserves being hammered over and over and,...
,..over, again.

Anyone who calls me an anti-semite or Jew hater based upon my opposition of those who just happen to be Jewish,...are full of shit.

I love humanity,...HATE THOSE WHO ABUSE HUMAN BEINGS. It's that simple.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:48 PM
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2. what are you-- some kind of anti-semite? (kidding)
Well, now that we know Israel is involved, this story will REALLY take off. Not.



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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:50 PM
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5. We know that now?
???
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:31 AM
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36. You should see this video.It goes a long way to explain why we are in Iraq
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 09:32 AM by notadmblnd
Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, is a retired U.S. Air Force officer whose assignments included duties as a Pentagon desk officer and in a variety of roles for the National Security Agency. Since retiring, she has become a noted critic of the U.S. government's involvement in Iraq. Kwiatkowski is primarily known for her insider essays that denounce a corrupting political influence on the course of military intelligence leading up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. -snip-

video here .... http://www.blip.tv/link/59
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:00 PM
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16. Yeah, just like that Israeli spy story that was out about a year ago
It was on the news for all of 2 days. Every story was saying it was a big deal, big news, we would be hearing about it for a long time. 2 days later, nada.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:14 AM
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26. You mean this one? Nada. Hardly...
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/581788.html

Justice Dept. to indict two AIPAC staffers under U.S. Espionage Act

By Nathan Guttman

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Justice Department is expected to file indictments against two former senior American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) staffers - Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman - and, according to sources familiar with the affair, the charges will be subsumed under the Espionage Act.

...
Franklin called Weissman and asked for a meeting to discuss an important subject. At the meeting, in a mall near the Pentagon, Franklin told Weissman that Iranian agents were trying to capture Israeli civilians working in the Kurdish area in northern Iraq. Around the same time there had been conflicting reports in Washington about an Israeli presence in Kurdish Iraq. Journalist Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker had written that Israelis were operating there, but Israel - and the Americans - denied it.

At the meeting, Franklin told Weissman that the information was classified. This is significant in terms of the investigation, since it prevents the AIPAC men from claiming in their defense that they did not know they were dealing with state secrets.

Weissman left the meeting and went straight to Rosen's AIPAC office at Capitol Hill. He said it was a matter of life or death, and that Israeli lives were in immediate danger. The two made three phone calls: to an administration official, to Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post, and to Gilon, at the embassy. Rosen told Gilon about the information and the Israeli official promised he would look into it. All those calls were wiretapped by the FBI and are part of the case against Rosen and Weissman.

...
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:06 AM
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34. Yeah, that's it, it was ALL OVER the news, then kinda
just slinked away.
TY for the link! Interesting to see something actually happened with it.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:48 PM
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3. makes perfect sense doesn't it ?
thanks for finding this, BigBearJohn ..
solidarity
hiley



With mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, one only needs to examine the record of abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israel to understand what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meant, when referring to new, yet to be released photos and videos, he said, "if these images are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse."

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:51 PM
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6. Hope I live to regret it.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:55 PM
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10. Yes, BigBearJohn I know exactly how you feel !
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 11:04 PM by hiley
I get in trouble all the time for pointing out the what I see as the Occupation of Palestine.
solidarity
hiley
:spank:
Edit to add this from Amnesty International:
Amnesty International

Israel and the Occupied Territories
Covering events from January - December 2004

The Israeli army killed more than 700 Palestinians, including some 150 children. Most were killed unlawfully — in reckless shooting, shelling and air strikes in civilian residential areas; in extrajudicial executions; and as a result of excessive use of force. Palestinian armed groups killed 109 Israelis — 67 of them civilians and including eight children — in suicide bombings, shootings and mortar attacks. Stringent restrictions imposed by the Israeli army on the movement of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories caused widespread poverty and unemployment and hindered access to health and education facilities. The Israeli army destroyed several hundred Palestinian homes, large areas of agricultural land, and infrastructure networks. Israel continued to expand illegal settlements and to build a fence/wall through the West Bank, confining Palestinians in isolated enclaves cut off from their land and essential services in nearby towns and villages. Israeli settlers increased their attacks against Palestinians and their property and against international human rights workers. Certain abuses committed by the Israeli army constituted crimes against humanity and war crimes, including unlawful killings; extensive and wanton destruction of property; obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel; torture; and the use of Palestinians as “human shields”. The deliberate targeting of civilians by Palestinian armed groups constituted crimes against humanity.

snip---
http://web.amnesty.org/web/web.nsf/print/C6E3085990930CEC80256FDA004611D5
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:49 PM
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4. This is gas leak add open flame and see what happens material, if
this can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt: "Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence services, it is noteworthy that one, John Israel, who was identified in the report as being employed by both CACI International of Arlington, Virginia, and Titan, Inc., of San Diego, may not have even been a U.S. citizen. The Taguba report states that Israel did not have a security clearance, a requirement for employment as an interrogator for CACI."
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Internut Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:33 PM
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22. "John Israel" is an Iraqi Christian -
not an Israeli Jew. But don't let that fact stop you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/politics/26CONT.html?ex=1400904000&en=3d20d9ad3b3c2f4a&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND


John B. Israel, an Iraqi-American Christian and one of two civilian contractors implicated in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, returned home to California a few weeks ago and, until Monday, was living quietly with his wife, Rosa.

...

Mr. Israel, who was born in Baghdad in 1955, was one of three Iraqi-Americans working as translators at Abu Ghraib. The Army report on the abuses described him as "either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib."
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:03 AM
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35. Be a better reader! See the two little letters I - F - monosyllabic too
Be aware of being condescending without cause or patronizing without merit, it affects one's credibility!
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Internut Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:53 PM
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8. The tired "John Israel" canard again -
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/politics/26CONT.html?ex=1400904000&en=3d20d9ad3b3c2f4a&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

John B. Israel, an Iraqi-American Christian and one of two civilian contractors implicated in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, returned home to California a few weeks ago and, until Monday, was living quietly with his wife, Rosa.

...

Mr. Israel, who was born in Baghdad in 1955, was one of three Iraqi-Americans working as translators at Abu Ghraib. The Army report on the abuses described him as "either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib."

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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:09 AM
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25. sigh....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:54 PM
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9. Oh wow
This is damaging indeed. But what can be done??
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:55 PM
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11. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that gambling is going
...on in the back room of Ricks....Here are your winnings from the casino Inspector.....Oh, thank you very much.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:55 PM
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12. My title was inflammatory. I changed it. Don't want to offend.
People can read the articles and make their own rational opinions.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:58 PM
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15. thank you for the edit!
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:56 PM
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14. When will the pictures be out?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:14 AM
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38. My question also :>)
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:01 PM
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17. I thought this was obvious to everyone

Anyone who's been keeping an eye on I/P was sure of this long ago. Israelis admit that these methods don't actually achieve much in the way of useful information. But the desired effect is that of the gulag- intimidation and psychological effect on people outside the walls. In fact, torturing and abusing relatively innocent people has greater effect.

It's all horrendously stupid and stupidly horrifying stuff at bottom. And it doesn't really work, it has a temporary effect but then the barbarity and determination level Outside rises, and it all turns into race to the bottom, to ever more pure depravity that one side cannot win without losing its claim to legitimacy.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:36 PM
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23. We've had reports of it for a long time -- I believe since BEFORE
the Abu Ghraib photo scandal erupted -- if memory serves.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:53 PM
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24. That's right. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:19 PM
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19. John Israel
Rove's White House 'Murder, Inc.'

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer


May 21, 2004—On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks, CIA Director George Tenet provided President Bush with a Top Secret "Worldwide Attack Matrix"—a virtual license to kill targets deemed to be a threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly prohibited political assassinations.

According to high level European intelligence officials, Bush's counselor, Karl Rove, used the new presidential authority to silence a popular Lebanese Christian politician who was planning to offer irrefutable evidence that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorized the massacre of hundreds of Palestinian men, women, and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla in 1982. In addition, Sharon provided the Lebanese forces who carried out the grisly task. At the time of the massacres, Elie Hobeika was intelligence chief of Lebanese Christian forces in Lebanon who were battling Palestinians and other Muslim groups in a bloody civil war. He was also the chief liaison to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) personnel in Lebanon. An official Israeli inquiry into the massacre at the camps, the Kahan Commission, merely found Sharon "indirectly" responsible for the slaughter and fingered Hobeika as the chief instigator.

The Kahan Commission never called on Hobeika to offer testimony in his defense. However, in response to charges brought against Sharon before a special war crimes court in Belgium, Hobeika was urged to testify against Sharon, according to well-informed Lebanese sources. Hobeika was prepared to offer a different version of events than what was contained in the Kahan report. A 1993 Belgian law permitting human rights prosecutions was unusual in that non-Belgians could be tried for violations against other non-Belgians in a Belgian court. Under pressure from the Bush administration, the law was severely amended and the extraterritoriality provisions were curtailed.

Hobeika headed the Lebanese forces intelligence agency since the mid- 1970s and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to the CIA's headquarters at Langley, Virginia. After the Syrian invasion of Lebanon in 1990, Hobeika held a number of cabinet positions in the Lebanese government, a proxy for the Syrian occupation authorities. He also served in the parliament. In July 2001, Hobeika called a press conference and announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla. Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130 transport plane. In full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of the Lebanese army and others, SLA troops under the command of Major Saad Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of the investigation of Sharon.

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052104Mads... ...


What Might Sharon Know About CACI?

Two former Mobile police officers working in Iraq

New York Times reports that one, Kenneth Powell, screened prisoners for private company at Abu Ghraib prison
Thursday, May 27, 2004
By RON COLQUITT
Staff Reporter
Former Mobile police Lt. Kenneth Powell is one of the civilian contractors who has worked screening prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, the facility that is the subject of an international prisoner abuse scandal, the New York Times reported Wednesday.

The Times report focused on the experience and security clearance status of civilian contractors working at the prison on the western outskirts of Baghdad. It cites Powell's name as having been mentioned in military documents obtained by the Times.

Powell, the Times reported, "recently retired after 24 years with the Mobile, Ala., police force, where presumably he picked up the skills, and the security clearance, to screen Iraqi prisoners."

There is no mention that Powell had any knowledge of, or participation in, any of the abuses that took place at Abu Ghraib, outraging many in the Arab and Western worlds.

more
http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/n... ...

What Might Sharon Know About CACI?

Right now, Americans are so mesmerized by those photos, which daily increase in number and luridness, that the facts of who did what and who knew what, and just what the “hey” and worse went on in those prisons, are just dribbling out, like water from a leaky faucet.

What might Sharon know? He might know whether the four “contract” interrogators identified as the foremost abusers — John Israel, Steven Stephanowicz, Torin Nelson, and Adel Nakha — were trained in their “craft” in Israel, or by Israelis.

Initial news reports indicate that two companies, Titan of San Diego, California, and California Analysis Center Incorporated (CACI, pronounced “khaki”) of Arlington, Virginia, employed these now-notorious “contractors.” But Titan and CACI themselves reportedly deny being their “direct” employers. And Titan and CACI refuse to identify who is.

What might Sharon know? Well, surely he knows that CACI was founded in the 1960s by Herbert Kerr and Harry Markowitz, a Chicago Jew, who worked together at The Rand Corporation in the 1950s. Markowitz, a mathematics genius with a Ph.d. from the University of Chicago, received the 1990 Nobel prize in economics (shared) for his theory of “portfolio choice,” which allows market investors to analyze risk as well as their expected return. But Markowtiz and Kerr’s work at Rand was in computer matrix codes with industrial and defense applications. This is the work that CACI still does now. With creative innovations, apparently.

What might Sharon know?

Sharon certainly knows that in February 2004, the Jerusalem Fund of Aish Ha Torah, a Zionist “worldwide foundation” specializing in “educational outreach,” according to CACI’s own press release, gave CACI its Albert Einstein award “for promoting peace in the Middle East.” CACI’s CEO, Jack London, was presented the award by Israel’s Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in a glittering, elaborate ceremony at the Jerusalem City Hall. The ceremony was billed as part of the “First Annual Defense Aerospace Homeland Security Mission of Peace to Israel and Jordan.”

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7 §ion=0&article=44927&d=14&m=5&y=200...

from Tinoire

About these 3rd party nationals

<snip>

Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. Because U.S. citizenship and documentation thereof are requirements for a U.S. security clearance, Israeli citizens would not be permitted to hold a Top Secret clearance. However, dual U.S.-Israeli citizens could have satisfied Pentagon requirements that interrogators hold U.S. citizenship and a Top Secret clearance. Although the Taguba report refers twice to Israel as an employee of Titan, the company claims he is one of their sub-contractors. CACI stated that one of the men listed in the report "is not and never has been a CACI employee" without providing more detail. A U.S. intelligence source revealed that in the world of intelligence "carve out" subcontracts such confusion is often the case with "plausible deniability" being a foremost concern.

In fact, the Taguba report does reference the presence of non-U.S. and non-Iraqi interrogators at Abu Ghraib. The report states, "In general, US civilian contract personnel (Titan Corporation, CACI, etc), third country nationals, and local contractors do not appear to be properly supervised within the detention facility at Abu Ghraib."

The Pentagon is clearly concerned about the outing of the Taguba report and its references to CACI, Titan, and third country nationals, which could permanently damage U.S. relations with Arab and Islamic nations. The Pentagon's angst may explain why the Taguba report is classified Secret No Foreign Dissemination.

<snip>

During his testimony before the Senate Armed Service Committee, Rumsfeld was pressed upon by Senator John McCain about the role of the private contractors in the interrogations and abuse. McCain asked Rumsfeld four pertinent questions, ". . . who was in charge? What agency or private contractor was in charge of the interrogations? Did they have authority over the guards? And what were the instructions that they gave to the guards?" When Rumsfeld had problems answering McCain's question, Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Central Command, said there were 37 contract interrogators used in Abu Ghraib. The two named contractors, CACI and Titan, have close ties to the Israeli military and technology communities. Last January 14, after Provost Marshal General of the Army, Major General Donald Ryder, had already uncovered abuse at Abu Ghraib, CACI's President and CEO, Dr. J.P. (Jack) London was receiving the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah's Albert Einstein Technology award at the Jerusalem City Hall, with right-wing Likud politician Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and ultra-Orthodox United Torah Judaism party Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in attendance. Oddly, CACI waited until February 2 to publicly announce the award in a press release. CACI has also received grants from U.S.-Israeli bi-national foundations.

Titan also has had close connections to Israeli interests. After his stint as CIA Director, James Woolsey served as a Titan director. Woolsey is an architect of America's Iraq policy and the chief proponent of and lobbyist for Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. An adviser to the neo-conservative Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs, Project for the New American Century, Center for Security Policy, Freedom House, and Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, Woolsey is close to Stephen Cambone, the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a key person in the chain of command who would have not only known about the torture tactics used by U.S. and Israeli interrogators in Iraq but who would have also approved them. Cambone was associated with the Project for the New American Century and is viewed as a member of Rumsfeld's neo-conservative "cabal" within the Pentagon.

<snip>

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html

Now Hiring: Park rangers, interrogators
Commentary: The wacky world of government contracts

By Michael Collins, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 1:07 PM ET May 28, 2004

ARLINGTON, VA (CBS.MW) -- We learned this week that civilian interrogators used by the Army at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad were hired under a Department of the Interior contract for information technology.

Yes, the Interior Department, best known for running the national parks, apparently has a side business administering contracts for other government agencies. And under what is known as a "blanket purchase agreement" for the government to buy technology services from CACI International of Arlington (CAI: news, chart, profile), the Army was able to order up prison interrogators.

Welcome to the wild, wacky world of government contracting.

It's strange enough that Iraq intelligence gathering is contracted out to the private sector, and even stranger that Baghdad prison interrogators are working under an Interior Department technology contract. But what really bothers me is this type of thing is not that uncommon, and it's seen as "efficiency" in the federal government.

It's hard for an outsider to see what's efficient about the complex web of government contracting. I'm sure it made sense, to someone, for the Army to ask a technology company to hire interrogators -- but to me it seems like going to a lumber yard to buy a computer.

Now that the deal is public, the government has ordered investigations.

Interior Department spokesman Frank Quimby said Tuesday the department's inspector general wants to find out if it was proper to hire interrogators under an information technology contract. He was speaking on a conference call, so we don't know if he was able to keep a straight face.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BF8607... ...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:28 PM
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21. we knew this,.......too
it is just when it came out either thru internet, probably internet, there is so much, and no one can remember it all. but yes., we knew the soldiers were being trained to torture from isreal, quite a while ago

many things are coming up new, when really they have been out there
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:33 AM
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28. An Abu Ghraib Photo We Didn't See on the Front Page of the NYTs
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:03 AM
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:13 AM
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30. Maybe this guy was faking it too.
Gen Karpinski was in charge of the military police unit that ran Abu Ghraib and other prisons when the abuses were committed. She has been suspended but not charged.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme she met a man claiming to be Israeli during a visit to an intelligence centre with a senior coalition general.

"I saw an individual there that I hadn't had the opportunity to meet before, and I asked him what did he do there, was he an interpreter - he was clearly from the Middle East," she said in the interview.

"He said, 'Well, I do some of the interrogation here. I speak Arabic but I'm not an Arab; I'm from Israel.'"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3863235.stm
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:02 AM
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31. Now I know what Christ meant when he said we are ALL sinners.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:22 AM
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32. Sure - let's use the same strategy
it's brought peace and security for Israel...:banghead:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:40 AM
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33. Wow. Now there's a thought. Wish I had said it
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:12 AM
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37. kick
Torture is a crime against humanity.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:18 PM
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39. Kick
:kick:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:30 PM
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40. This shit just makes me sick!!!
NOT IN MY NAME!!!!

NOT IN MY NAME!!!!

NOT IN MY NAME!!!!

:cry: how the hell did these evil fucks take over our country :cry:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:18 PM
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42. another sad and angry kick
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:23 PM
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43. It's happening right here on our streets.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:53 PM
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44. CACI.
'Nuff said.
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