RW best counter to DSM, "Downing Street Memo is old news"

[sabra]

This is the best they can come up with... Pretty weak!



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http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200506060801.asp


Looking at the document in context it is hard to see what the commotion is about. Most of what might be thought sensational has already been written about elsewhere, to little fanfare. The charge of intelligence fraud (if it is such a charge) has already been investigated and found baseless. And the allegations that the president had already decided to go to war and was thus deceiving the American people are personal opinions based on unsubstantiated impressions from unnamed sources.

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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8062380/

MR. MEHLMAN: Tim, that report has been discredited by everyone else who's looked at it since then. Whether it's the 911 Commission, whether it's the Senate, whoever's looked at this has said there was no effort to change the intelligence at all. The fact is that the intelligence of this country, the intelligence of Britain, the intelligence of the United Nations, the intelligence all over the world said that there were weapons of mass destruction present in Iraq. We knew that Saddam Hussein had used weapons of mass destruction before. We still know that there was a weapons of mass destruction program. He was evading the sanctions, and he had plans to reconstitute the program. We also knew that Saddam Hussein had uniquely invaded his neighbors, had uniquely supported terrorists and we all know today that we are safer because he's been removed from power.

So I believe that that individual report not only has been discredited but that the overall reasons for removing Saddam Hussein were broader than that, they were correct, and we're now safer and certainly the people of Iraq are safer now that Saddam Hussein has been removed from power.

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http://wizbangblog.com/archives/006083.php

Given the lack of new information in the memo the collective yawn from American media outlets is hardly surprising.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158228,00.html

Ellis Henican, a columnist for New York Newsday and a FOX News contributor, said the allegations of evidence-fixing had been made before the 2004 election by former senior administration officials Richard Clarke (search) and Paul O'Neill (search), and while many people believe they were right, it had little impact on the re-election of Bush in November.

"It's a little late," he said of the memo story, adding that people are resigned to the fact that the United States is in Iraq for the long term, regardless of what events led to the war. "We're kind of stuck."

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[meegbear]

1. The DSM is sooooo yesterday!

Besides, it's all Clinton's fault, so just try to let go of the past and move on. :sarcasm:

[BOSSHOG]

2. Conservative morons voted for bush in 2004

and that justifies dismissing the DSM? Funny. The DSM wasn't made pulic until long after the morons left the voting booth. Yeah, who the fuck cares that the president is a liar? Obviously not conservatives. And some wonder why we use Bizarro world as an example of today's political landscape.

[getmeouttahere]

3. All the more reason to keep talking about it...

until we're red in the face (because we're so blue!)

[nightfox02]

4. well...the dems are going to shove that "old news.." so far up their ass..

that they will all walk like tinmen...

Old news... If they cant even come up with a counterpoint anymore we are going to have no problems ousting them...

Iraq is a mess and under the pressure we are seeing the true republican party. The party of greed at the expense of the poor, war profiteering and blatant disregard for the intelligence of even the most average american...

[Just Me]

5. Those minutes prove the one thing the RW could avoid: intent.

The minutes prove an intention to deceive which is why it is so damning.

BushCO & the neoCONs INTENTIONALLY mislead and betrayed the American people.

[Goldeneye]

6. We should keep a running list of their attempts to get rid of dsm.

1. "fixed" doesn't mean fixed in Britain
2. old news
3. dsm has been discredited
4. its just heresay, and doesn't prove anything

maybe we can gain some insight about the right wing think tanks operations.

[nightfox02]

7. with the exception of #1 which i dont quite understand...

2-4 look like pure stalling to me. They havent figured it out yet so they are stalling us...

[Goldeneye]

11. They were trying to make it sound like fixing intelligence

meant putting it together. Kind of like...depends what the definition of "is" is.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

9. Sexed UP!

just the mere mention of sex upsets them, lets use it!

[sabra]

10. good idea, I have been keep tabs myself...

[eShirl]

17. "hearsay"

heresy is something else entirely :D

[Goldeneye]

21. thanks...I'll see if I can edit.

I'm a doofus. I edited and then realized it was still mispelled, but the edit time expired. Oh, well...

[johnaries]

19. Here's a list I made of talking points I've heard so far...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1832310#1832362

[Stirk]

27. It's also an "internet rumor", according to that fellow on C-SPAN.

[underpants]

8. Notice that the National Review article is dated today.

I expect that to be the template for discrediting this when Kerry, again, has to make a public announcement to get something in the news (just like the campaign).

See it's in print (the discrediting) so it MUST be credible. :sarcasm:

[WLKjr]

12. It's been discredited...

the RNC Chair on MTP wouldn't even say who discredited it. He seemed to shit himself when asked about it sunday.

[sabra]

13. Yeah, I noticed that too!

He had that deer in headlights look, and just kept nodding (like he knew all of this to be true), and responded, "I respectfully disagree".

[WLKjr]

15. notice his eyes to start shifting uncontrollably

isn't that a text book sign of detecting if someone is lying to you?

[lonestarnot]

18. Oh shit I missed that...reaction was shit himself egh? LOL

[WLKjr]

23. that's what it looked like to me, here let me describe it

he turned pale, eyes started to shift and he started nodding his head. then he got that typical republican look of constipation and before you knew it, his mouth opened up and he shit himself.


EOS

[lonestarnot]

24. OMG Just saw your answer! This I would have paid to see!

Thanks so much for the descriptive coverage! I'm indebted!

[Dawgs]

14. Unfortunately, that quote is all they need.

Without a majority in Congress, or support from the media, they will never really be forced to answer for this document.

I do agree it's weak, but I just don't see this thing getting legs, until someone pushes for Impeachment(or sues for war crimes).

[zanne]

22. This was released in England ONE WEEK before elections...

Blair didn't refute it. If Blair didn't find a way to discredit the memo one week before the election (and it did cost him dearly), the Republican claim that it's not true doesn't carry water.

[Fire Walk With Me]

29. Obviously a new non-partisan judiciary is required.

An independent board of judges, a highest court, without corporate ties or partisan influences, to cover cases such as this.

Stacking the deck to avoid prosecution for war crimes is a bit of a sign of a problem which requires resolution, eh?

We need something...something like a constitution... With liberty and justice for all. Yeah, that's the ticket. Want to talk about the benefits of old-fashioned values?

[LSK]

16. So is Saddam using WMD

He supposedly did it in the late 80s. So you can use that as a comeback to the freepers who think DSM is old news.

[Supersedeas]

20. DSM doesn't exist in a vacuum: Bolton, Wilson, Richard Clark tie into this

Why is no one interviewing Joe Wilson regarding DSM?

Why is no one interviewing Bolton regarding DSM?

Why is no one interviewing Richard Clark regarding DSM?


Where is the Corporate Media?

[understandinglife]

25. By the time Nixon resigned in August 1974, 'Watergate' was old news.(nt)

http://www.intelligencesquad.com/id118.html

Peace.

We have all the evidence of mendacity and illegal war-making we need to indict and prosecute Bush, Blair and every other neoconster scum-bag on the planet having any involvement in the Bush's illegal war on Iraq and all the torture and other atrocities that have been committed since August 2002.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[sabra]

26. excellent point, and comeback. I like it!

[tk2kewl]

28. They are right

Bush has alway been liar. Why should we be surprised that there is evidence of that fact. :eyes: