Pope: Gay marriage "fake", "anarchy". Divorce & birth control "dangerous"

[Bluebear]

ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict, in his first clear pronouncement on gay marriages since his election, on Monday condemned same-sex unions as fake and expressions of "anarchic freedom" that threatened the future of the family.

The Pope, who was elected in April, also condemned divorce, artificial birth control, trial marriages and free-style unions, saying all of these practices were dangerous for the family.

"Today's various forms of dissolution of marriage, free unions, trial marriages as well as the pseudo-matrimonies between people of the same sex are instead expressions of anarchic freedom which falsely tries to pass itself off as the true liberation of man," he said.

The Pope spoke to families at Rome's St. John's Cathedral on an issue that has become highly controversial around the world, particularly in Europe and the United States.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050606/wl_nm/pope_gays_dc

[aden_nak]

1. Adennak: Roman Catholic Church "archaic", "obsolete"

[Ken Burch]

4. Pope Benedict "cranky", "dried up" "not DeNazified"

[Sandpiper]

12. Don't forget "bitter," "reactionary"

And "protector of pedophiles."

[Der Blaue Engel]

2. Shocked!

I am SHOCKED, I tell you! :eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Breaking news: The pope is a bigoted motherfucker

And the Catholic church who openly harbored criminals is the moral authority of nothing.

[Ken Burch]

5. if he was an unbigoted motherfucker, would that be ok then?

at least with his mother?

[UTUSN]

6. Note to Pope: Celebacy Is a Perversion for Perverts in Denial n/t

[Zenlitened]

7. Not exactly the brightest thinker around, is he? Can any of these...

... gay-hating assholes describe a single, tangible way in which marriage fairness "endangers families"?

No, they can't. All their blithering, blustering talk of "family" is just an attempt to pretty-up what they really mean: "I hates them gays."

[Frances]

8. I don't think the priests should give communion

to anyone who practices birth control, natural or unnatural. If the Catholic Church is going to be such a stickler on one point, it should be consistent and be a stickler on all points. It is clear that this Pope thinks that the only reason to have sex is to procreate. Therefore, he should take the consequences of his belief, which would be to empty the Catholic Churches of 90% of their members.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. How about no communion for people who vote for people who believe

in the death penalty?

[ComerPerro]

32. Exactly

I knew a girl who was a conservative and Catholic. She used birth control and still went to church, recieved communion, and considered herself to be a good Catholic.

I wonder what would have happened if she was denied communion because she used birth control?

I bet she would have been pissed.


So, why don't the Catholics really stick to their guns on this?

To me, it is even worse that they enforce the policy on homosexuality while they let things like birth control use and even child molestation slide...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

9. The World's Most Gaily-Dressed Virgin Speaks

Next, Sister Mary Annunciata will explain to us why penises really are the Fists Of Christ, and, after that, Bishop Fulton J. Fishmarket, the famous blind Bishop, will tell us all about his misadventures with self-abuse, and how it cut short his Army Sharpshooter career.

Damn, but I love it when the pros pontiificate.

[goclark]

15. GWB had him selected

and he is all that the neocons hoped for -

What a tragedy.

HBO had a special on called "Our Fathers." It was about the pain and suffering of the molested boys by the catholic church priest.

Let him clean up his own kitchen.

Who is he to condemn homosexuals and those that only want to share their life with a love one?!

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. Nothing like a bunch of life-long celibate mysogynists to tell us

about the sanctity of marriage.

[roguevalley]

13. Pope: Stupid, assinine, irrelevent, impediment to Jesus

[SaveElmer]

14. Go back to the 12th Century...

Oops...forgot he was already there.

The Catholic CHurch is a non-entity to me anymore. They have managed to drive all the Catholicness out of me I had growing up. Disgusting!

[Inland]

16. So gay marriage is an "anarchic freedom"?

I'm trying to figure out who gets married to have anarchic freedom. Next he'll be telling us that vows of celibacy are the means of hooking up.

[Montauk6]

17. Hmmm... so let me see if I'm following this...

Melissa Etheridge/Tammy Lynn Michaels: Fake
Liza Minnelli/David Gest: Real

<sarcasm> OK, makes sense to me...

So, has this guy commented on green-card love yet? </sarcasm>

[SusanF_CA]

18. bull!

I have several friends that are married and the gay couples have been together longer than the marrieds. They are every bit a family unit as me and my spouse are. Plus I (personally) have a hard time taking marriage/sex/birth control advice from someone who has no idea or real experiences with this subject matter. Before anyone flames me, I was raised Roman Catholic.

[truebrit71]

19. But buggering children is okay?

Up yours you paedophile enabler... :grr:

[Pockets]

20. What do you expect?

Not trying to be disrepsectful, but these people have never been laid, so I'm not sure if they are the best to be taking advice from regarding sexual rights and wrongs.

[goclark]

21. I think they have been laid

and I think there are many that are gay.

I recall reading an article about a Catholic Girl's School in Maryland. When they built a new school there ,they dug up a wall. Inside the wall were remains from the bodies of many babies, yet unborn.

I am sure that the nuns didn't get pregnant by themselves. Nor do I believe that the students were capable of burying their unborns there.

It is their hypocrisy that sorrows me.
What gall!

[Pockets]

22. Wow...

Just goes to show how those who profess morals tend to be the most hypocritical.

[damntexdem]

23. He can't get his own co-religionists to listen to him --

why should anyone else?

[sakabatou]

24. He's only right on one thing: divorce

[Bluebear]

25. I wonder if Bush has plans to outlaw it?

To protect marriage?

[MisterP]

29. how's it dangerous?

[sakabatou]

31. It puts a lot of stress on the kids and the parents

The kids may get split, up, or they might not get to see their other parent, kids might get blamed for it, kids might blame themselves for it. It's a mess.

IMO.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. In My Humble Opinion, The Way To Mitigate That

is to give people MORE options, and MORE freedom not less.

Not everyone should be married- and not everyone is even cut out for lifelong monogamy, either. Me? I'm married- but I waited until I was damn sure it was what I wanted to do, and I wouldn't have made that kind of commitment if I wasn't completely certain I was ready and going into it clear-eyed and with a real good sense of what it entails.

People talk about the "institution" of marriage. In my mind, an institution is something you get locked away in. Not a particularly good way to look at what should be a positive, growing experience.

Divorce isn't the problem, the problem is too many people getting married for the wrong reasons and without thinking. I came from a divorced family, and while it was hard, it would have been far worse if my parents hadn't split. There are very good reasons for many people to get divorced.

The WORST possible thing you can do, I think, is to tell people that the first (and only!) person they want to have sex with is the person they should marry-- and spend the rest of their lives with.

[enigmatic]

26. Is anybody shocked by this?

I mean, other than the Catholics who said that poeople had The Pope wrong and that he was going to "surprise" us w/ his compassion?

He's a bigot that's protecting pedophile priests; why would anyone w/ the IQ of a canned ham and over do anything but laugh at his ravings?

[Warren DeMontague]

27. If I say he's utterly full of shit, am I "bashing people of faith"?

Because lord knows I don't want to be accused of doing that.

[MN ChimpH8R]

28. What a surprise.

Did anyone expect anything else from Poop Adolf I? Until the Catholic Church cleans its own house of pedophiles and those who cover for them, it has as much credibility in talking about human sexuality as Shaquille O'Neal has in discussing the difficulties of being short and poor.

[Mz Pip]

30. The Pope talks

about anarchy like it's a bad thing. :crazy:

Benevolent anarchy is a good thing, Mr. Pope. People should be allowed to live their lives without being hassled or demonized.

I have been married for 30 years. And we lived together before we were married. Oh Horrors!!!! I am not threated by gay marriage, free unions. My family is doing just fine.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ima_sinnic]

33. wow, a real dynamic "leader," an inspiration to all, spiritually gifted

NOT!

ever onward, papa razzi, fearless leader of homophobes and *cough* "celibate" perverts. people are starving, homeless, suffering--do you have anything for them, or is your regime all about what NOT to do with our private lives? will you continue on this course of irrelevance to what truly matters?

who would jesus hate?

[CatholicEdHead]

34. Check out this page

it is from the ultra-ultra-tradionalist part of the Church. They want what the call the "nuclear" option, which is to purge ALL "unorthodox" thinking, shrink the church drastically to make it more idologically "pure" to get rid of the chief scourge of the sex scandle, the "homosexual menace".

They are WAAAAY out there. I was suprised this was even considered. The virulent, enthuistic comments are even more shocking.

http://www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm?task=singledisplay&recnum=2773

"For the sake of argument, let's accept the predictions of the Cassandras at their direst face value, viz., that eliminating gay priests would empty the rectories. Further, let's pretend that we, the faithful, had a say in the matter. Finally, let's oversimplify by reducing the options to two:

Plan A. The Status Quo: Priestly formation -- and parish life generally -- continues as it has been and is presently.

Plan B. The Nuclear Option: After the Passover, only one priest remains per diocese. For the next fifteen years (i.e., until the effects of the reform kick in), you have to drive 35 miles every Sunday and Holy Day to an outdoor football stadium, where you have a bad view of a valid and licit Mass served by unbuggered altar boys, and hear a scarcely audible but orthodox homily, delivered by an ancient priest in a nearly unintelligible Vietnamese accent."

[Warren DeMontague]

36. So Why Does The Pope HATE FREEDOM? nt

[kenny blankenship]

37. WHo's looking forward

to a new New Pope?

New Pope is a failed marketing strategy. Old Pope was showing its age, true, but how this replacement marks any advance over the Old Pope on ice has yet to be explained to either industry analysts or shareholders.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. I think "New Pope" is just "Old Pope" in a new container. nt

[kenny blankenship]

39. they should bring back Old Pope (nt)

[Warren DeMontague]

40. No, it was hard enough for him to do his job

when he was still alive.

If the organization had been charitable to the man, they would have let him spend his last 5 or so years back in bed at the Vatican watching Iron Chef, instead of wheeling him around the world in that oversized hat.

[NMMNG]

41. Yeah,

But refusing to let a couple get married because the man is impotent is good for the future of the 'family'?

Facsist.