Recruiter: Parents' fault if draft is started--volunteer your kid or else.

[rainbow4321]

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2005/06/03/a1.nat.recruit.0603.html


Rachel Rogers, a single mother of four in upstate New York, did not worry about the presence of National Guard recruiters at her son's high school until she learned that they taught students how to throw hand grenades, using baseballs as stand-ins. For the past month, she has been insisting that administrators limit recruiters' access to children.

Orlando Terrazas, a former truck driver in Southern California, said he was struck when his son told him that recruiters were promising students jobs as musicians. Terrazas has been trying since September to hang posters at his son's public school to counter the military's message.

A Department of Defense survey last November, the latest, shows that only 25 percent of parents would recommend military service to their children, down from 42 percent in August 2003. "Parents are the biggest hurdle we face," said one recruiter in Ohio.

But Col. David Slotwinksi, a former chief of staff for Army recruiting, said that the Army faces an uphill battle because many baby-boomer parents are inclined to view military service negatively, especially during a controversial war. "They don't realize that they have a role in helping make the all-volunteer force successful," said Slotwinksi, who retired in 2004. "If you don't, you're faced with the alternative, and the alternative is what they were opposed to the most, mandatory service."

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. more and more of theese stories

draft is coming, that is the reality of it

[BrotherBuzz]

6. You bet

and I hope the Slotwinksi's of the world keep talking this issue (even in his snarky way) to bring it forward and above the fold. There is an elephant in the room and the Bush* adminstration is in total denial about it (I guess for good reasons, too). Reality of a reinstated draft is just one terror attack away, and my tinfoil buzz says LIHOP/MIKOP is being scheduled as we speak.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. AP story last year (june 15) said the date for the draft

was this june 15.. surprise, surprise after six hours it got scrubbed

[FreedomAngel82]

10. It's probably

put on hold. They're still working on Bolton and all. Look for my post on a video you must see. It's about Blair, Iraq and the truth. It talks about UN and resolutions for justification legally for taking out a regime (in this case Saddam). I think this is why Bolton is supposed to be at the UN. To make them less crediable and himself more crediable and fix some more intelligence. Wasn't he the Under Secretary of Defense?

[Roland99]

51. Would be great to see a copy of that article

Couple that with the railroading of Bolton thru to the UN and Hersh's revealing of the commando squads in Iran and what do you have?

[Imagevision]

58. Cheney said insurgent problem will be contained by 2009

last week.

[FearofFutility]

32. My tinfoil is buzzing too

A quote attributed to Thomas Kean from yesterday's Pittsburgh Post Gazette caused my paranoia meter to spike. I don't know how to post links so I'll paraphrase. He said that terrorist are threatening new attacks on the US and many of the 9/11 commission recommendations have not been implemented. He then said, "we don't have a lot of time left to act." WTF does THAT mean?!

[JohnyCanuck]

40. I would not be surprised terrorists are planning new attacks.

But just who are the terrorist is the question. Just came across this article below at www.anitwar.com. The FBI and Homeland Security are having such a hard time finding real terrorists to arrest and to justify their anti-terrorism budgets they are resorting to entrapment of doctors and jazz musicians.

Desperate for Terror Arrests, FBI Turns to Entrapment
by Paul Craig Roberts

The U.S. has a vast and very expensive Homeland Security bureaucracy with nothing to do. There hasn't been a terrorist attack in America since 2001. There has been a vast quantity of terror alerts, the purpose of which was to scare Americans into supporting an unnecessary and illegal aggressive attack on Iraq.

As very few, if any, real terrorists have turned up, the FBI has resorted to creating terrorists by soliciting Muslim-Americans and appealing to them with schemes to aid "jihadists." Recently, two American citizens were caught in a FBI sting. One, an Ivy League-educated physician, is charged with agreeing to provide medical care to wounded holy warriors in Saudi Arabia. The other, a famous jazz musician, is charged with agreeing to train jihadists in martial arts.

According to the Washington Times of June 1, the FBI began its sting in 2003, so it took two years of work and cajoling to manufacture the case against these two Americans.

What the FBI has done to Dr. R.A. Sabir and Tarik Shah was once known as entrapment. Judges would throw out entrapment cases, because crime was believed to require intent. If the intent was given to the accused by the police through enticement or threats, it was not regarded as criminal intent on the accused person's part.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=6237

For posting links in a message just paste the link into your message and the DU software will make it clickable once the message is previewed or posted. (Assuming you are using windows, drag your mouse over the link in the source document so it is highlighted in blue, right mouse click select copy and then left click in your DU message window where you want the link to go. Right click again and select paste). And welcome to DU :hi:

[FearofFutility]

57. Life in the good ol' USA

Within the past two weeks, I've read The New Pearl Harbor and Crossing the Rubicon. It's pretty clear to me who the terrorists are. Thanks for the lesson on posting links and for the welcome!:hi:

[BrotherBuzz]

41. Posting a link is easy and simple...

just copy and paste the entire http location/address and the DU software does the rest. I would like to read that article if you can find it again. I also read that the Homeland security boys quietly set up a program for alternative energy sources to be online by July 1. Why the secrecy, and why the rush? Something is ABUZZ.

[FearofFutility]

56. Looks like it went down the memory hole

I can't find it on the PPG site, but I found it elsewhere. Thanks for the lesson! Here's the link:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/06/news/panel.phpnd

[FreedomAngel82]

9. But oh

Bush said there was going to be no draft!!! Remember? He promised and called Kerry a liar! Bush is always right and always means what he says and says what he means!!

:sarcasm:

I tried warning people but of course nobody listened to me who were rightwingers. Now they'll be sorry.

[orleans]

14. shit--we'll ALL be sorry

[rainbow4321]

27. They won't be sorry if he does the special skills draft

Cuz none of shrub's elite base has the kind of "special skills" he will go after..not much need for greedy CEO's and their mall rat kids in Iraq, I imagine. Seems like most of the needed skills would come from the blue collar population. Then there is the medical draft that covers everything from radiology techs, nurses, docs and 62 other job descriptions that they can get away with using under medical draft..with a age range that has the top cutoff of 44 years old. Special skills are whatever chimp and them decide..truck drivers, cooks, etc...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/19/news/draft.html
Under the plan, Flahavan said, about 3.4 million male and female health care workers ages 18 to 44 would be expected to register with the Selective Service. From this pool, he said, the agency could select tens of thousands of health care professionals practicing in 62 health care specialties.

"The Selective Service System plans on delivering about 36,000 health care specialists to the Defense Department if and when a special skills draft were activated," Flahavan said.

The contractor hired by Selective Service, Widmeyer Communications, said that local government operations would be affected by a call-up of emergency medical technicians, so it advised the Selective Service to contact groups like the U.S. Conference of Mayors and the National Association of Counties.

[bugslsu9]

45. Well, I guess my wife is not going to re-career

We were looking at her becoming a radiology tech, but I will not let them take her. Period. I will go down to Chicago, and go go to the German Embassy and claim my rightful duel German Citizenship, and move to Germany.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

53. And what if the expected Avian Flu Pandemic strikes soon after....

....these 36,000 health care specialists leave the country for the Middle East?

Do you think that might leave a rather sizeable gap in our medical system here at home?

[yorkiemommie1]

54. would that include Fundie Pharmacists?

i know a fundie bright red male nurse who should go too.

[earth mom]

46. Rethugs will be sorry because it's their kid who will go to war and die

but they weren't sorry for other peoples children going to war to DIE FOR A LIE.
This kind of self centered ME ME ME shit is really disgusting. :grr:

[chicagojoe]

2. Anybody involved in trying to draft my son

will be very, very sorry. And I mean all the way to the top.

[followthemoney]

61. DITTO! There is an idea the right wing big mouths can get behind

[chicagojoe]

63. Are you calling me a right wing big mouth? I hpoe not.

[followthemoney]

66. Easy, Joe..

Read it again. All I'm saying is that when the righties get their draft notices they will switch sides to save their backsides. I am in sympathy with your position. Its mine.

Meanwhile, the scum sucking bigmouth righties are going to come over to our side if there is a chance they may get drafted.
I personally knew many righties who grew their hair long in the sixties and added their voice to the call to end the war and draft. Then the cowards cut their hair and voted republican after they were out of harms way. Wait for the blood tax (draft), when the repug resident demands their firstborn.

On the upside, when the righties join the opposition, its all over.

[spindoctor]

3. That's so army: Volunteer or we will appoint volunteers!

They can have my sons, when they take them FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

[bluestateguy]

4. The "alternative"

No kid of mine (if I ever have kids)will be drafted to make rich old white men even richer. Instead, faced with such a choice, I would send my kid on an extended vacation to the Swiss Alps.

[evlbstrd]

5. My father was ready to send me to Canada,

I will do anything I can to keep my kids out. This is our kids' Viet Nam.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Speaking of Canada

Aren't they no longer letting people in who are dodging everything here? I also heard that the US is trying to get their flight lists and all that. :shrug:

[orleans]

15. i heard the same thing

[MountainLaurel]

35. That'll change if there's a draft

The issue with Canada offering asylum to those who are AWOL from the military is that those folks joined VOLUNTARILY. There's no case for asylum under current rules, 'cause they chose that for themselves.

However, if/when the draft is reinstated, that's a whole 'nuther ball of wax, and the Canadians would again offer safe haven to those trying to escape being drafted into the military.

[cestpaspossible]

8. can you say

catch-22

[Cooley Hurd]

12. I fail to see how they can meet the military's committments without...

...a draft. However, I'm reasonably confident any draft will HAVE to follow a homeland attack (MIHOP).

World events are unfolding very quickly - I fear that MIHOP, followed by the reinstitution of a draft, will happen before the end of summer.:(

[happyslug]

13. These guys are living in la la land

Drafts do NOT work unless Draftees Mothers want the Draftees to go. Thus the issue is NOT Volunteer vs Draftee Army, it is what, from a political point of view, does the people want the army to do. The war in Iraq has NEVER had popular support and never will (and support for the war is declining), thus the Draft will NOT return the Army to the Army of 1966 but the army of 1968-1972.

Basically the Draftee army of 1945-1968 was very successful. Even in the early days of Vietnam, you had higher morale and less desertion than the US Army suffered from during WWII. The problem was when the Country as a whole turned against the war in Vietnam. As the Country turned against the War, the Draftee army reflected that "Spirit" and basically ceased to functions as an effective military unit (Through at that same time period, 1968-1972. those same personnel would have fought like tigers against a Soviet Invasion of Western Europe). Now the elite units, the Rangers, the Special Forces, the Airborne, the Marines seems to have kept their edge during 68-72, it is the regular army forces that declined sharply (To the extent that by 1969 North Vietnam was telling its soldiers NOT to engage American Soldiers unless fired upon, most Americans Soldiers just went through the motions after 1968).

This has been the problem behind all armies, the soldiers must be motivated to fight. In a mercenary army it is the pay, but you get very few recruits who want to really fight (and die) for money. Thus the Volunteer army was built on the premises that any fighting would be brief and intense (and the soldiers paid well for their services).

The problem facing the US Army today is they is no real support for this war. Mothers are NOT sending their sons off to fight because Mothers do NOT see how this war benefit themselves, their families and most importantly their sons. When Mothers see a war as needed to protect their family, mother will send off their sons to war. This is the problem recruiters are facing, mothers (and to a lesser extent fathers) are saying NO, this fight is NOT worth my son's life (and I know daughters are dieing to, but I use sons for it is tradition for only sons to go and the best imagery is shown saying Mother sending their sons, than saying Mothers sending their Children or Sons and Daughters).

Now during peace time mother left their children enlist, but that was like leaving your children go to their first job, not really off to war. Now there is a good chance of real combat, Mothers are saying NO, and will continue to say NO as long as the Mothers do not think this war (or any war) is NOT in the best interest of themselves, their family or the country as a whole. This is the problem the Army is facing and going to the Draft will NOT solve it. The only solution is to reduce the army to a size that you can recruit people who just want to fight. Rome did this during the Rule of Augustus, he kept only 29 legions, not the almost 100 legions that existed during the Civil Wars of Julius Caesar. The 100 legions were made up of people who were fighting for a cause, once the Cause was one the army went home (and Augustus Caesar formed a new army out of the remnants, a more mercenary one, but limited to the people who were willing to fight for pay as opposed to fight for a cause).

The Roman solution is just NOT possible for Bush. The main reason is Bush needs more troops than he can hire (Unlike Augustus who could get away with a small mercenary army). When being in the army was no more than a job, the Army had no problem getting recruits, but now that actual fighting is taking place, he will only be able to recruit people who like to fight, and most of them have already enlisted in the Special forces or other elite fighting formation. This leaves very few for the regular forces and is the main reason for the decline in recruits.

Now when Mothers want their sons to fight the US has NEVER had a problem raising an Army. The Civil War was basically fought by Volunteers on both sides (Through the South did adopt an effective draft to get more recruits, while the North adopted an ineffective draft to increase revenues). The same with the American Revolution, the Colonies did have some problem raising troops but that had more to do with paying for their equipment and food AND to help them offset their lost of income while fighting than getting people to enlist. During WWI most of the US Troops were enlisted (Through we did draft from day one) and during WWII after 1942 Everyone was drafted (You could NOT enlist from 42-45, you had to go through the induction system).

During all of these periods the American People as a whole (and the Mothers of these soldiers) supported why America was fighting. They was No difference if the Soldier volunteer or was drafted, the key was support back home. When you had opposition to the use of troops back home, than the effectiveness of those troops declined sharply. Examples of this is for the Draftee army of WWI was when it was sent into Russia is "secure supplies". This was opposed in the US and the US troops morale sank as they continued to fight AFTER the Armistice was sign for the war their were drafted to serve in.

Another example is the opposition to the suppression of the Philippine insurrection after the Spanish-American war of 1898. Again as American support for the war declined, the effectiveness of US Troops decline (and these were All volunteers). Now the insurrection was suppressed but the US ended up hiring local residents of the Philippines to do the dirty work while the US pulled out the Volunteers and kept only Regular army units in the Philippines (At that time the equivalent of todays elite forces in number).

My point here is that going to the Draft will NOT solve the Army's problem, which is opposition to this war. As long as the vast majority of the American people do NOT support this war, the Army will not get the recruits it needs. The quickest way to force the issue is to propose a draft with Congress knowing to vote against the Draft is to vote to pull put of Iraq for without the Draft the Army will collapse.

Right now, Congress can say it supports the war with Iraq without suffering to much politically. While there is no support for this war, their is really little opposition (For the costs of this war is being carried on the backs of people who enlisted during peacetime). Now that we have been fighting for 3 years, potential enlistees know they will go to Iraq and are NOT enlisting for that reason. Their parents are telling them NO, their life is more important than oil. The estimates I have read off the net says if present trends continue the Army will have reach a crisis point midway through 2006. At that point Congress will have to make a choice it has been avoiding, draft the troops needed or pull out of Iraq. When a serious proposal of a Draft hits Congress you will than have real opposition to this war and Congress will act like it did in the 1970 i.e. whatever Congress thinks will cost it less politically (at first do nothing, than blame someone else, including the President and than looking defeat in the eyes vote one way or the other on the issue of the draft/pulling out of Iraq).

Now in the 1970s the Congress was Democratic and the draft already existed. Thus it took a political move for the Democrats to end the Draft to save the army (and then pulled us out of Vietnam to save the Army). Today Congress is controlled by the GOP and we do NOT have a draft. Thus the neutral position is to do nothing (which is what Congress is doing). The real issue is what will Congress do when the problem of Army recruitment comes to a head in mid 2006. At that point it can no longer ignore the problem, for if the problem is ignored we will be pushed out of Iraq do to lack of troops (And this may happen as the Fall Congressional elections take place). Congress will this be forced either to sit back and watch the US gets pushed out of Iraq OR impose the draft to prevent that defeat. At that point they will be no third solution (i.e. what congress is doing now, do nothing and hope for a change in circumstances). 2006 is shaping up to be an interesting year.

[bobbieinok]

16. never did like that curse 'may you live in interesting times'

[Karenina]

20. Excellent post, Happyslug!

:yourock:

[Ruffhowse]

17. A new Draft doesn't worry me. All you need to do to get out of it is

claim you are gay. How are they gonna prove you wrong? If they implement a new Draft, the GLBT community is gonna see a huge apparent increase.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Don't ask don't tell will go faster than yuo can say gay

oh we ddid not ask, here is your rifle and yuo will not tell because nobody is gonna listen

Zero drug tolerance has effectively been scrapped already

[NuttyFluffers]

23. then physically don't move. go to jail instead.

won't let you out for being gay, or smeared peanut butter around your nether regions, or did too much acid, or whatever, then just physically do not move. what's the worse they can do if you refuse? take a long luxury trip in switzerland or wherever. just don't go. eventually it will all collapse by entropy.

and i won't shed a tear from the snivelling cowards in young republicans. in fact i'd love to take pictures of them kicking and screaming being dragged into enlistment.

[happyslug]

42. Not the rule in Vietnam

In fact prior to 1982 being a Homosexual was NOT grounds to be kept out of the Army. Now homosexually activity was grounds, but merely being a homosexual was NOT. In 1982 the Army adopted the Air Force/Navy rule against Homosexuals. The reason for the difference went back to the Universal Service act of 1947, which clearly stated restrictions as to the Navy and Air Force, but left it up to the Army to determined its requirements.

Now the reason for this was to get around one of Restrictions of the Second Amendment, that the States have the sole right to appoint officers. In 1947 the fear was a State appointing black officers over white soldiers so Congress to avoid having to address that issue left the whole subject of who the Army wanted was up to the Army. This left the Army in a situation that it could take in more females than could the Navy And Air force once the draft ended and it could be more flexible on Homosexuals than could the Navy and Air Force.

In 1982 under Reagan the US Army was force to adopt the same policy as the Air Force and Navy i.e. NO Homosexual, even if they agree NOT to do any homosexual activity while in the army. It was this fact that the Courts had a problem with. The fact being the Army had left homosexuals in during Vietnam and afterward but in 1982 started to say they could NOT stay in even if they agree to NOT participate in any Homosexual activity. This is the problem Clinton was facing when he adopted the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. Clinton like the good politician he was tried to compromise between the extremes and adopted a policy hated by both sides.

My point here is that when the Army wanted wanted warm bodies it did not care if you were gay or not, it still took you and than told you it was against the Uniform Code of Military Justice to comment a homosexual act while in the Army. At other times when the Army did NOT need as many warm bodies it was more picky. Do NOT count on being gay (whether real or not) as a way out of the Draft.

Now one way out of the Draft might be to take down a picture of bin Laden and keep on saying how great a man he is and that you hope the military training will help you when you go back to help Al Queda. Learn a couple of Arabic phases (Preferably one saying how Great bin Laden is) and you be rejected, or if you are selected the last place they will send you is Iraq. Now you may get beat up, but NOT sent to Iraq.

[anarchy1999]

19. Is this recruiter an idiot?

But Col. David Slotwinksi, a former chief of staff for Army recruiting, said that the Army faces an uphill battle because many baby-boomer parents are inclined to view military service negatively, especially during a controversial war. "They don't realize that they have a role in helping make the all-volunteer force successful," said Slotwinksi, who retired in 2004. "If you don't, you're faced with the alternative, and the alternative is what they were opposed to the most, mandatory service."

I could never have found anything this good had I been looking for it.

What an absolute ASS!

"THEY DON"T REALIZE... The alternative, .... opposed to most, MANDATORY SERVICE."

Give the Colonel Slotwinksi a MEDAL for recruitment tactics!! I bet his division wins hand down!

By the way Colonel, I'm a parent that is committed to taking you down.

[calimary]

25. I'm a parent, too. And they can't have MY kids, either.

And, oh by the way, Slotwinski - you THREATENING us now?

[gaspee]

21. I wrote this before the election 8/14/2004

So it might be a little dated. Also, a language warning. I checked the rules before I posted, and I'm pretty sure this would be within the rules.

I also chopped off a couple of introduction paragraphs from the original.

Oh yeah -- sarcasm alert.

*****

Save Lives; Suck Cock

OK, so now we've read the links and we all know about the draft and whether it’s justy a nasty rumor started by enemies of the state or if it's really looming in our future. I’m going to take the position that if Bush gets a second term, it's going to be a done deal within a year of the election.

Don’t want to be drafted? Well you’ve come to the right place because I have a plan for you!

I like to call it, ‘Save a life; suck cock!

The military hates homos. If you engage in homosexual activity, you aren’t wanted by the military. It’s a beautiful thing, actually. Because, really, what’s a little cock-sucking between friends?

Since the options for conscientious objection have been narrowed and even the most clear-cut cases denied, it’s not a viable route to travel if you don’t want to kill anyone in this misadventurous quagmire we've found ourselves in.

I think the military has a hard time understanding the concept that some people just don’t want to kill-- and especially not to make the priviliged few even richer than they already are. From what seen over the past few years, if someone doesn’t want to go to war and kill, they are labeled ‘pussies, traitors, 'mur-kin haters' and so on and so on. Whatever.

So you're going to get drafted and you’re not Amish so you can’t get conscientious objector status; what can you do? Well, you can’t go to Canada because Canada and the US signed a treaty in 2001 to prevent you from doing just that.

What’s a boy (or girl, but do you really believe this christofacsist regime will draft the baby-makers) to do?

Suck cock, of course! It’s a beautiful plan. Use the military’s own prejudice against them. If you suck cock, you’re a threat to unit cohesion. Let’s forget for a moment that the Spartan Army, long considered one of the best in history, actually encouraged homosexual bonding *for* the purpose of unit cohesion and go with the US military’s viewpoint. So they don’t want you if you’re gay or bi. Since about three fourths of us fit on the 'bi' range, somewhere along the continuum, we have an out!

Now, if you’re on the straight side of bi, find a guy like yourself and give boy-kissing a try. The military deems you unfit if you engage in the behavior, so engage away. If you’re married, involve your wife. Let her find a boyfriend for you. The wives can all meet together and hook up their husbands. Make sure you go to your draft board together. Bring pictures, too.

If you’re a mother of a teen-aged son, encourage him to experiment. If our president can engage in youthful indiscretions until he was forty, what’s a little boy-love experimentation for a teenager? It obviously won’t affect the rest of your life. We have the president to thank for raising the acceptable age threshold for 'youthful indiscretions.' Way to go Georgie! That's the way to show the adults are in charge in these here parts!

You might even advance the human race a little by opening your mind to the idea that gays aren’t evil. Walk the wild side, have some fun and save a life-- or a hundred. If all our boys turn gay, who will fight a war?

Now, some reading this might say, but sucking cock is against my religion. Uhm… correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think ‘Thou shalt not suck cock’ made the top ten. Thou shalt not kill, however…

Others might say, “I’d rather kill (or die) than touch a dick!” Well, son, you might be just the type of man the military is looking for. Have fun.

Let's turn the summer of '05 in to the real summer of love. Save lives; suck cock!

There’s always the possibility the military might catch on to this plan and decide it’s AOK to be gay.

If that’s the case, well, there’s always obesity. My new slogan can be: "Save lives, belly up to the trough!"

But then they might decide fat people can serve behind a desk just fine.

I suppose the only thing to do then is make sure Mr. Bush is not re-elected. For if we don't have a president who rushes to declare war on his idea of evil-doers, we won't have a need for a draft and we won't have to encourage our boys to suck cock or blimp out, will we?

****

Obviously a little outdated. And hopefully the language isn't going to get me in trouble.

[magellan]

22. So they're going to blame the draft on the parents, huh?

That'll go down well. Maybe then people in this country will start waking up en masse to how they've been manipulated back into the Dark Ages by BushCo.

[leesa]

26. Of course, it's the Republican way! Blame someone else.

[Taverner]

49. They will use it to divide and conquer...trust me

They will spin it as "left-leaning parents" being the cause of the draft. I can already see the Rovespin now: Idiots on Faux going on Hannity saying "if the left wing parents didn't dissuade their kids from enlisting with their hatred of America, my son wouldn't have been forcibly drafted!"

This will be used once again to further the divide between Right and Left.

[Justice]

24. Bill O'Reilly talked about this survey on his radio show

(sorry, I had a long drive and needed to listen to something that would keep me alert - yelling at the radio voice helps)

O'Liely was really upset that parents were not recommending military service - he said parents should encourage children - be honest with them about the risks, but encourage them to go. Yeks.

If 41% of Americans support Bush - then I think we should start recruiting from those 41% families first.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. and he will offer up his children right after Barbara and Jenna go

to Iraq, right? The rich aren't a bit concerned over the draft. Their kids won't be going. :grr:

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. I have ONE roll and that is to protect MY son from the likes of a

warmongering administration and sleazy military recruiters like YOU! :grr:

Don't even try to draft my son....he's NOT going. PERIOD. :grr:

[aden_nak]

30. At least they're not putting a gun to your head. Yet.

[DS1]

31. Bring it on!

:bounce:

[kster]

59. Yes ,Bring it on

the DU needs more help to take this administration out,I'm afraid the draft is the only way to get the American people out of their sheeple like condition.

It will get them very interested in the stolen election evidence, And the DSM... And the... And the ... And the... Yep with the draft its over for the admin.

Paging: Dr. Dzika We need video of Bush saying in his campaign that there would be no draft. So we can send it far and wide,just to refresh peoples memory on what * promised.

[Larkspur]

33. Wonder how high the homosexual population will increase, should a

military Draft return?

[Coexist]

34. my teens are now officially, openly gay!!

whether they like it or not!

[City Lights]

36. It's time for chimpy and pickles to walk the walk.

What could be more patriotic to the sheeple than watching chimpy and pickles send jenna and notjenna off to fight their daddy's war? chimpy's base would swell with pride at that sight and the recruiters problems would vanish.

[liberalitch]

37. And when are Barb and Jenna signing up?

[Straight Shooter]

38. Umm, send your child to fight and die, or we'll take them to fight and die

Slotwinski clearly has a problem with diplomacy. He must be related to Bolton.

You see the true colors of the bush administration in its underlings.

[LizW]

39. I'll bet Col. Slotwinski loved the scene in "Cold Mountain"

where the "recruiters" got Kathy Baker's hidden sons to come out of the house by crushing her hands.

:grr:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

43. Paging forgethell. Paging forgethell. (nt)

[understandinglife]

44. "No child left behind" = "The Children's Crusade": It is happening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3797148

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[bunny planet]

47. Bullshit, so I should sacrifice my kids for a war I never believed in,

that is morally unsupportable, based on lies, or I'm threatened with a draft and they'll be sent there anyway.
Some choice.
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[AX10]

62. This could cause a revolt.

[Maru Kitteh]

48. I've really had it up to here with these assholes

My father and every uncle I had served in WWII so it's not like I come from a family that is shy about service but I'll be DAMNED if this lying weasel bastard can have my children for his oil wars.

[lectrobyte]

50. If I applied this same logic to parking lots, could I go up to H2

drivers and ask them to let me borrow their SUV (there's something I saw in a cartoon once and I want to try it) or the alternative is that I will have to steal it?

[Az_lefty]

52. WTF???

If we have to go to the draft to support the chimps ill begotten war then it's the parents fault? What a dumb f*ck!

[geniph]

55. "Be the first one on your block

to have your boy come home in a box!"

You wouldn't want the rest of the subdivision outdoing you in the volunteering-your-kids-to-die race, now wouldya?

Assholes. Volunteer your own goddam kids first.

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. Col. Slotwinksi can go fuck himself!

:grr: Here's hoping that is plain enough for him and the rest of the war mongers, concerning our roles "in making the all-volunteer force successful." Draft the kids of those who support pResident War Monger.

[Chicago1]

64. Everything is falling apart on this administration

I think the Democrats know that this administration will do ANYTHING including putting together a terrorist attack and I'm sure the WH has been told in certain terms.... DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, WE'RE ON TO YOU AND WE SEE THROUGH YOU!!!!

Drafts are 1. Political Suicide 2. DON'T WORK 3. The GOP will start the IMPEACHMENT trials.

No one in my family is going to fight in any oil war for this CRIMINAL.

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
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[ComerPerro]

65. Hear that, Bush supporters?

If we have a draft, its your fault!