Who thinks Downing Memo is more serious then Watergate?

[Imagevision]

Who truly believes it is an impeachable offense that needs/must be addressed?

[ogradda]

1. Of course it is.

Many people have died.

[cthrumatrix]

30. people will be VERY VERY pissed...wait and see

[Telly Savalas]

42. I hope you're right, but I'm skeptical.

Anybody who still thinks that Bush and his minions were on the up and up about the pre-war intelligence is in so much denial that it's hard to imagine too many folks jumping ship because of the memo.

[shadowknows69]

2. Aye

what is Conyers waiting for. Start the process and win or lose let the chips fall where they may. I want George Bush answering questions unscripted in front of a congressional panel. We as citizens have the right to demand the truth from our elected officials. His avoidance of the letter Conyers wrote should be grounds enough for impeachment.

[woodsprite]

6. Better make sure he's sworn in also

He'll still probably lie like an old wet dog, but we'd get him for perjuring himself then.

[Nothing Without Hope]

3. Of course it is, and it's only the first of many that have been ignored.

Once the scandals start opening up, these people are going to be toast.

[ET Awful]

4. First - it's Downing Street Minutes, not Memo.

Second, the Minutes themselves are not on offense, they are merely a very visible piece of evidence among several others that have gone greatly ignored.


A "memo" isn't an impeachable offense, but the actions described in the Minutes are indeed impeachable.

[Imagevision]

10. Well, it got y-o-u-r attention...thank you!

[ET Awful]

22. There's a very important difference between Memo and Minutes though

I'm not attacking you.

Minutes are the official document of a meeting representing the entirety of the meeting for the record.

A memo is an unofficial document that may or may not represent what various individuals said at a meeting.

The reason that Minutes should be stressed over Memo is that a "memo" means very little. Minutes on the other hand reprsent the official document of what happened at a given meeting.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. I was a law student during Watergate

We all followed it minute-by-minute, and there is utterly no comparison.

This ratfuck is Watergate to the zillionth power.

Now, tell me - where is the American outrage?

[FogerRox]

8. IMHO Rat fucking is an impeachable offense.

Was it John Dean who told the world of the Nixon Tapes--this may be a similar moment in history.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. No, it was a low-level WH guy named

Alexander Butterfield. I remember the moment, in fact: sitting in my car, at National Airport, waiting for a friend's flight to land, listening to the Ervin committee hearings, and all of a sudden, this guy Butterfield says something, in the most offhand manner, about the White House taping system.

I thought I had heard wrong, but so did the committee members, who jumped on it.

Amazing moment.

So far, there's been no such revelatory moment like that with Fuckface in the White House. Someone's going to have to break away from the RovePack, and I don't think there's one honorable person in that ugly bunch.

[retnavyliberal]

40. I hate to be a downer...

but the Nixon tapes were of Nixon himself. The DSM is, IMHO, hearsay. Sure, it is high level hearsay, but in the end, bush will simply go, "Well, they are wrong."

Bottom line, don't order the chips and chicken wings for the impeachment party.

[Imagevision]

24. Leftie> it seems like Olberman is the only coverage out there.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

38. It does

Countdown is the only news I watch, though, so I can't really say, but I'll sure take your word on it.............

[Hapameli]

7. Duh... Bush and Cheney's "Nuremberg Trial" is at the end of this month.

a.k.a. The World Tribunal on Iraq. And unfortunately, nobody on DU seems to know anything about it or else they'd go ENDORSE IT!!

http://www.worldtribunal.org/main/?

I have inside information on the who and what of the trial, as does Ray McGovern, who is working with John Bonifaz (sp?). If they are declared war criminals at the end of this month, don't you think that bolsters the impeachment possibilities?

I sure do.

[DrDebug]

25. Never heard of that.

But that can do anything?

[Hapameli]

49. Abso-frickin-lutely ... They're not gonna be able to talk their way out of

it, with Amnesty's claims on top of the upcoming verdict. If all goes well, Bush, Cheney, Blair, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, or Rice won't be able to step foot out of the country without being arrested. Makes it easy to impeach them from prison, real cut and dry case then.

Some very involved people I've spoken with seem to be taking this very, very seriously.

[HullBoss]

9. Watergate was an internal domestic problem

that didn't have consequences for citizens of other countries. Using lies to compel the U.S. and other countries to invade a sovereign nation is far, far worse. In my opinion, there has never been such a criminal in the White House. He has to go, and his whole administration with him.

"Blue-In-AK on HullBoss's computer"

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. Watergate was just the tip of the iceberg...

...but Firefighter Jerry pardoned him before he could be coerced to talk about various issues that would have kept him out of prison. Those issues included all of the programs and activities with which he had been involved since his vice presidency under Ike to include: the U-2 program and Gary Powers, the "defection to the Soviet Union" program, the Cuban Task Force, the Bay of Pigs, the JFK assassination, other domestic assassinations, and various other operations that took place while he was president.

He had a lot that he could have shared, but the full pardon for all past and current crimes effectively killed that option.

[HullBoss]

47. I agree we would have been much better off

if Nixon had been forced to divulge all his dirty secrets. This coup by the far right has been taking place right before our eyes for the past 50+ years. Democratic presidential terms may have slowed the process, but the takeover has been steady behind the scenes. It's very sad.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

54. Agree on all counts...very sad.

[DODI]

11. Me! Me! I do. I do. It is amazing how many things have happened

that were/are worse than Watergate -- Iran/Contra comes to mind. I think even my repuke co-workers are getting sick of this crap. They are not in * corner now. To bad they couldn't wake up in October!

[yurbud]

12. To a degree, this is mirror opposite of Watergate

During Watergate, most of the rest of the world was scratching their heads about why we went after what seemed like a competent public official over a minor offense.

By contrast, by shortly after 9/11, the rest of the world couldn't believe we tolerated a leader like Bush, but a big chunk of Americans find him perfectly acceptable (not me).

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[MadHound]

13. It's impeachable

After all, Watergate was a bunch of lies to cover up a break in. Bush has lied us into a war where people are dying in droves on both sides. Yeah, I would say that it is impeachable.

[stopbush]

14. Is brain cancer more serious than lung cancer?

They're both cancers. The degree of severity is unimportant.

[cthrumatrix]

39. good point

[ThorsHammer]

15. Yes; deaths of thousands (US and foreign) vs. a domestic problem

[Theres-a]

16. Absof * *kinglutely

:mad: If this doesn't get the sheeple up and at 'em,I fear what it would take.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

17. For me, it goes like this....

Watergate was dirty political tricks that went REAL bad. Nixon ought to have sacrificed someone instead of lying. They could have arranged a pardon and a cushy jail cell somewhere then given the guy a lifetime job with the RNC when he got out of the slammer.

But Nixon lied and got caught. To all lurking fundies, he lied about using the FBI and other governmental resources to spy on other Americans. Not even the same thing as Clinton's lie about the bj.

Iraq, on the other hand, is exponentially worse than Watergate by a factor of 1670 (or whatever todays death toll of Americans is).....
I suppose he could be impeached but the right owns the media and there is not much chance of a constant barrage of anti-Bush news being aired. Therefore, Mr and Mrs Joe Average will not come to realize the kind of government that currently runs things in DC. As a result, there will be very little public outrage over this.

When we take to the streets is when we get their attention......

[Imagevision]

27. Dyed> I agree with you totally about Mr.&Mrs. John Doe, no coverage

no problems for Bushco!

[aden_nak]

19. Thompson said he'd vote for Nixon of Bush.

That's more or less endgame, as comparisons between Nixon and Bush go.

[Kurovski]

20. Yes. It's so shocking I sometimes feel that

it can't really be happening.

But it did and it is, and it will only get worse, because doing nothing is as good as a go-ahead to the people in charge.

And impeachment will most likely still not stop the war-party. they'll re-group and wait it out another 20-30 years.

But we have to slow them down, at the very least.

[Imagevision]

44. I feel the same way, this story needs to be investigated.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. It's just the tip of the iceberg with these criminals.

I hope it's the chink that sinks their ship!!!

[robertpaulsen]

23. Just as 1st degree murder is more serious than 3rd rate burglary.

You bet!

[grace0418]

26. absolutely

This administration could bring our entire nation to its knees. This is serious beyond comprehension.

[seabeyond]

28. raising hand, .....a duh n/t

[6000eliot]

29. Of course it is

but unfortunately, the media and Congress won't do anything about it. That's another way of saying they won't do THEIR JOBS, as far as I'm concerned.

[Rex]

31. Far more serious implications

Nixon's plumbers didn't get 1600+ soldiers killed in an illegal war. Nixon didn't cause Vietnam and it wasn't for monetary gain. Nixon didn't let 911 happen nor did he blame it on Iraq.

[lonestarnot]

32. YES! and YES!

Killing thousands of people based on lies is more serious than stealing strategy papers for democratic campaign jillions X more serious!

[Lindacooks]

33. Of course!!

Just count the number of people who died because of chimpy's lies.

[bpilgrim]

34. ABSOLUTELY - both were about lies & cover-ups but the DSM was about WAR

the most SERIOUS matter of state.

but we got plenty of campaign dirty tricks, too :evilgrin:

INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR must be called for NOW!!!

peace

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Bush LIED...PEOPLE DIED!

Of course it's more serious and someone had BETTER do something about it! :grr:

[haroldgiowa]

37. No questions, which is worse.

George Bush

1. 1,678 dead American soldiers
2. 12,348 wounded American soldiers
3. Uncounted dead and wounded Iraqis
4. We called wolf to the world, what has this lost us in the future when a wolf actually does come to our door.

VS.
Richard Nixon

The constitution works when given a chance.

[DeepGreen]

41. Yep!

:mad:

[stubtoe]

43. I do I do I do!

Lying to congress and to the American public is lying, lying, LYING, even if the subject ISN'T sex.

[redacted]

45. Better believe it!

[Catherine Vincent]

46. I think I'll go with the way republicans think....

The DS Minutes implicating Bush and Blair is not an impeachable offense but half lying about an extramarital affair is.

[2008]

48. much worse

this equates to mass murder

[RBHam]

50. A hundred times more important, if pursued...

What are Woodward and Bernstein doing? Sittin' on their ass?

Hell, Woodward HAS to know what a sociopath Bush is...

"My place in History? Who cares about that? We'll all be gone by then..."

HUH?

[BellaLuna]

51. They're not even in the same league

lying to go to war which resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead human beings will never be ok. Anyone that dismisses it is not on UnAmerican they are inhuman and immoral.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

52. only blowjobs are impeachable these days

as babs would say, war is something we shouldn't worry "our beautiful minds" about

[ailsagirl]

53. DEFINITELY impeachable offenses but I'm wondering about

the DSM story... I can't tell if it's sinking or picking up steam. I know the repukes are anxious to kick over the traces and plow ahead-- did they succeed? Or is it too early to tell?

[brettdale]

55. I do but the media dont

I do but the media dont.

[uppityperson]

56. me. n/t

[Hailtothechimp]

57. Me. Too much blood has been spilled to think otherwise.

The media ignores it and so life goes on in this country. Gotta get worked up over that high school girl in Aruba and the Michael Jackson trial instead. I say bullshit on that.

Talk about the memo, talk about Guantanamo, talk about how to get out of this mess and repair our standing in the world. Everything else doesn't matter at this point.

[sojourner]

58. Haven't read all the posts here, (time issues),

but I think that lying to Congress to take a nation to war, pre-emptively mind you, is lots more serious than breaking into some offices and covering it up. Not only does the issue of lying to congress in order to misappropriate funds and the US military for an illegal war show it without parallel in US history, but the number of lives affected - both of innocents murdered and of combatants killed and maimed - sets it apart as much more serious.

I also think that the mindset that led to the Watergate is the same as the one that got us into Iraq. Just had more time to "ferment".

[psychopomp]

59. Absolutely

and watch this video, if you haven't, and you will be even more convinced that this was a Bush-Bliar conspiracy to launch a war that they knew was likely to be considered a violation of international law:

http://www.overcast.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/warofterror/iraqtonytruth.htm