So marriage is the most sanctified act that two people can engage in

[Fight_n_back]

even though only Catholics consider it a sacrament ...

Yet, most of the big news stories and "Trials of the Century" of the last couple of decades have to do with how marriage sucks.

Clinton's marriage
OJs marriage
Scott Peterson's marriage
The Runaway bride
That Utah guy that hid the mattress
Brittany's Marriages
The Hilton sister marriages
Brad and Jen and Ben and the Jens and Benny and the Jetts.

Its just kinda ironical is all.

[sui generis]

1. who gives a crap about sanctimony

I just want to be sure that the person I share my life with can visit me in the hospital and can continue to live in the house and drive the cars we own; and that if I say that he gets whatever I want to give him that my fifth cousin three times removed doesn't have a higher claim on my estate than he does.

I also want to be treated fairly in tax law, insurance law, property law, contract law, hotel and airline bookings, medical decisions, financial decisions, real estate law, and family law.

Sanctimony - that's for religious people to care about.

[Fight_n_back]

2. Then Im sorry

but you are probably going to have to move for any of those things to happen, regard;less of marital status.

Terry Schaivo's husband was barely allowed to make those decisions...

[FreedomAngel82]

4. I think with that case

it was because Karl Rove and assholes like Frist and DeLay got their asses involved to appeal to their fundie base. Plus it was all a "he said" and "she said" type of thing. If you have a will that says what you want on it the courts have to abide by it or you can go to your lawyer etc. Plus the parents didn't help much either by recognizing they were married.

[bertha katzenengel]

5. I couldn't disagree more.

We will have our right to marry -- with all its flaws -- within ten years in the United States. Marriage equal to what straight folks have.

Mark me -- ten years.

[sui generis]

9. u go girl! I've got your back.

and p.s., we've been married, happy Julie Andrews spinning around like a crazy woman on the mountain married, gonna stay married, just not lawfully.

[bertha katzenengel]

13. And I've got yours.

Julie Andrews-happy -- damned right.

Forever -- amen.

We're here -- we're queer -- we're married. We're just waiting for our country to catch up with what's right. Come on, now... it took the Supreme Court to do it for you in Loving v. Virginia... I wonder what our case's name will be?

:bounce:

[Fight_n_back]

16. Sorry

Im feeling a bit extra cynical today.

I think you are right and very soon everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about but everytime I start feeling good about our country I read about how there were about 110,000 made up Bush votes in Ohio or see Chuck Colson on TV talking about ethics.

[Warpy]

18. I hope you don't have to wait that long

because I know how grotesque it can get when one partner is in hospital and his estranged and homophobic family turns up.

(By the way Bertha Van Nation was my favorite stage name. Anita Mann was the second. I applaud your taste, even though you've changed it.)

[Q3JR4]

7. That's right.

Couldn't agree more.

[sandnsea]

12. Then support civil unions

It is kind of peculiar that the liberal wing, who isn't supposed to care about all that religious stuff, insists on the sanctity of religious marriage.

[sui generis]

17. actually I want civil marriage

whatever everyone else does with their marriages outside of government is their choice.

It's semantics, but we have a better chance of getting "same sex" marriage than "civil unions for everyone" to fly. Personally I don't care what you call it just so long as it is exactly equal in all regards at all times under all circumstances.

[norml]

3. Marriage is the only sanctified act that two people can engage in.

All other sanctified acts involve only one person.

[sui generis]

6. yes but doing sanctific acts in marriage isn't the only reason people

get married, in fact, probably the least of reasons in reality.

The ultimate sanctimonious marriage would be one arranged by the church for the church, like they used to back in the 15th century day.

[Crankie Avalon]

8. Maybe Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich can tell you...

...they have more experience of marriage than most with three marriages each...and they're ready for more!

[Fight_n_back]

10. Rush has to keep getting married until

he figures out that he keeps sleeping with men because he is GAY not just needy.

Newt is just a misunderstood man. Why should he be expected to stick through his wife's cancer for god's sake? He had a hot young intern ready to go.

Its cases like those that prove marriage is too holy to be allowed for anyone who just happens to want to committ to each other.

[Warpy]

11. Traditional marriage was an economic arrangement

that ensured a man of an unapid domestic servant, brood mare, and nanny for offspring. The day a woman married, until very recently, marked her legal death, as the marriage was considered as one person and the man was that person. Women have had rights of their own within marriage for less than a hundred years.

No wonder they had to gussy it up with hearts and flowers and a fancy dress in a church.

[EFerrari]

14. Killjoy, Warpy!

It also allowed women to (sometimes) order other women and children around instead of always being the commanded.

[Fight_n_back]

15. Ya gotta miss those days

now a man has to stay interesting for his WHOLE LIFE.