We need a hall of shame for democrats bashing Howard Dean

[warrior1]

What ya say?

[Radical Activist]

1. How about one for those bashing Edwards and/or Kerry too?

Does that work for you?

[warrior1]

Yes

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[walldude]

10. Well, considering that Edwards

decided to go to the press and shit on Dean for his comments I can't back him. My thing here is that Dems keep trying to say that Dean is not speaking for all the Dems. That right there is the problem. If the Dems want to win fucking elections(if that's even possible anymore) they better get off their asses and start screaming along with Dean. They all want to be seen as civilized and moderate and reasonable. Sorry but the time of being reasonable is long past. While we are sitting here shining seats with our asses people are dying because of the faliures of the Bush administration. People are out of work, without health care, and if most of the middle/lower-middle class is like me their standard of living has decreased heavily in the last 5 years. If Kerry and Edwards want to kick up some dust and raise a stink I'm all for it but if they are going to bash a fellow Dem for, finally speaking the plain truth in the press, then they need to get the fuck out of the way. To be honest I was suprised that Kerry is making a stink about the DSM, I'll back him on that one for sure.....

[cestpaspossible]

18. I don't know why you lumped

Kerry in with Edwards on bashing Dean... he did not in fact do so, did he?

[Clark2008]

29. No he didn't.

Kerry hasn't said anything on the subject of Dean.
Neither has Clark.
Neither has Kennedy... or Boxer... or Reid.

Most haven't.

[seabeyond]

20. did you read edwards "bash" wasnt much of a bash. did

you reads edwards follow up on that. he put the supposed "bash" in its place

get informed before bashing those about bashing

[walldude]

25. Sorry but I saw the video of Edwards

and while he may be backtracking nowhe was none to kind to Dean.. I'll see if I can find the link...

[Radical Activist]

30. No, Edwards did not go to the press to bash Dean.

He was asked a question at an unrelated even by a reporter who was trying to pick a fight. Don't spin that.

I would expect Dems to back Dean when he speaks the truth, but the idea that a lot of Republican voters have never worked a day in their life is not a truthful statement. If Dean wants support he needs to stop making dumb ass statements that alienate millions of people and start framing the debate in a useful way that wins us votes.

[iconoclastic cat]

2. The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire.

[billbuckhead]

3. If hating the NRA & the Confederate flag puts me on some Deaniac s#itlist

Then I'm proud to be there. Even Zell Miller never pandered to the ConFlag crowd.


(CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean sparked criticism from his rivals Saturday after invoking the Confederate flag in an outline of his election strategy.

"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks," the former Vermont governor said in an interview published Saturday in the Des Moines Register. "We can't beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats."
-------------snip------------------------------

Kerry used his statement to illustrate his views on gun control and his support of the NAACP.

"Howard Dean is justifying his pandering to the NRA by saying his opposition to an assault weapons ban allows him to pander to lovers of the Confederate flag," Kerry said in his statement. "It is simply unconscionable for Howard Dean to embrace the most racially divisive symbol in America. I would rather be the candidate of the NAACP than the NRA."

-------------snip----------------<http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/01/elec04.prez.dean.confederate.flag/>

It was a poor choice to have a 2004 Presidential candidate as DNC spokesperson

[Jon_da_brockman]

4. Would me disagreeing

saying that it sounds like something a FReeper would do, shaming those who disagree with their leaders, earn me a spot on that list?

[walldude]

14. I'm confused

Are you saying that Dean was wrong or lying? Everything I saw the man say was the plain truth...

[Jon_da_brockman]

19. No he was probably right

but just because some democrats disagree with his choice of words, or firey rhetoric, doesnt mean that the belong on some hall of shame. A primary difference between 'us' and 'them' is that we have room for difference of opinion. Sure, maybe they went against Dean a little to harshly and publically, but that is their right, and as democrats, we should not fault them so toughly... .know what I mean?

[walldude]

26. Yeah I can agree with that..

Don't need a hall of shame, but I am getting tired of most Dems sitting on their hands... I mean where is the outrage?

--On edit-- Also if they have a problem with what Dean is saying maybe they could take it up in private instead of giving the RW media more quotes they can use against us.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Walking in lock step is a Republican thing

unless the person leading the parade is Howard Dean.

When did he become Jesus, that's what I wanna know.

[walldude]

28. Who's talking about walking in lock step?

I'm saying Dean got slammed for telling the truth if sticking with the guy who is telling the truth is walking in lock step then count me in.
Also I don't think he's Jesus, as a matter of fact he's a politican which means he's got 2 strikes against him already in my book. But if he's going to scream to the high heavens till the truth comes out then more power to him...

[LittleClarkie]

35. he got criticized

Not slammed.

We're allowed to do that you know. We're Democrats. Same would go for Kerry or Clark or anyone else. Reid and Warner have had some critical things to say about Kerry. I may wildly disagree with them. But I wouldn't be starting a hall of shame. They didn't bash. They didn't slam. They criticized. And that's all that's happened to Dean.

[seabeyond]

22. they arent merely disagreeing. and those bashing kerry

it isnt about anything but continually making him less. regardless of what is done. there is a huge difference from mouthing off to reduce, and dialog

[Cocoa]

5. music to Karl Rove's ears

he'd especially love the pointlessness of it. :toast:

[warrior1]

6. I'm talking about

Senators and House members.

[warrior1]

7. Years and years

of republican mouth pieces calling democrats every fucking name in the book and Dean steps up and calls the pukes what they are and he gets slammed?

[Clark2008]

9. Well, we knew he'd get slammed.

I just didn't think it would be by other Dems.

[walldude]

Exactly man...

Where was all this outrage when anybody who didn't want to slaughter innocent people in Iraq... oh sorry, I mean anybody who didn't support the "defense" of the U.S. was called traitor, unpatriotic, treasonous, un-american, or worse, the dreaded "L" word? Fuck these people we are past time for the kid gloves to come off...

[warrior1]

8. Sure got quiet.

Yea fighting back is tough but I'm glad Howard doing the dirty work that no one else will do.

I'm proud of the guy. He's got guts.

[libodem]

11. yeah baby

I say put them in the stocks in the public square....until they repent and confess their sins....they have done wrong

[warrior1]

12. Randi's right. (Rhodes)

A while back on her show she said one of the things wrong with democrats is how they organized their message. Everyone has one and they have a hard time giving up ground to a particular point to have the same message everyone tuned. We are never going to win if we don't speak with one voice on occasion or three.

[sendero]

13. I've been reading....

... thread after thread with lame point after lame point. The fact is lots of people just don't like Dean, and that's fine.

But a lot more folks are just Thick as a Brick.

They talk about the factual nature or lack thereof of the statement. They go on and on about who it might offend. Basically, they are absolutely, irredeemable clueless.

Dean is getting media time. He is putting the Repugs on the defensive. All of you naysayers tell me who else is getting both of those things nowadays. All of you one-inch thinkers who think that this is about making factual statements and those who think that the Repugs bitching about Dean on the airwaves is bad for Dems, well, you frankly don't get it do you. There's nothing anyone can do about that, except you :) Maybe.

[tsuki]

15. How about just a HALL OF SHAME, period.

Gov. Rick Perry - R - telling all the gays to leave Texas.

Outspoken Beltway Bubbas - Zero.

Gov. Taft, Sec. Blackwell, the Ohio Republican Party - $215 Million and counting missing (not stolen) from the State Pension Fund and Worker's Compensation.

Outspoken Beltway Bubbas - Zero.

Feel free to add.

[warrior1]

21. Ha

Good one, yet I think that hall is quite full with all of the repukes as it is. We're going to have to open another wing for the rest.

[liberaliraqvet26]

17. it would be a long

and self defeating list. And it would serve no purpose in the real scheme of things.

[KittyWampus]

23. Who The Fuck Is "Bashing" Him?

[warrior1]

27. Look.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=Howard+Dean&bt...

Dems distance themselves from Dean

Howard Dean, Loudmouth Extraodinaire

Sensenbrenner Sends Letter to Howard Dean Regarding His Latest ...

Why Democrats Worry About Howard Dean

The imminent demise of Howard Dean

The Dean factor: Screaming for Howard

Edwards Angry With Howard Dean

Howard Dean: Good for the left; Good for Republicans

And this is he gets bashed for: Uncalled for? I think so.


Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday defended his recent harsh criticism of Republicans, including his observation that they are "pretty much a white, Christian party."

Dean noted that he, too, is a white Christian. But he said the GOP is too narrow in its scope and the Democratic Party is far more diverse.

While even prominent Democrats in recent days have distanced themselves from some of his comments, the outspoken Dean, appearing on NBC"s "Today" show, said criticism of him is meant by Republicans to divert attention from the country's problems and make him the issue instead.

Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic party … it's pretty much a white, Christian party."

Challenged on that during the NBC interview, Dean said "unfortunately, by and large it is. And they have the agenda of the conservative Christians."

"This is a diversion from the issues that really matter: Social Security, and adequate job opportunity, strong public schools, a strong defense,"

[KittyWampus]

33. You're Taking Your Cues From Mediawhores Who Misrepresent What

Democrats say about other Democrats?

And also just plain make shit up?

[LittleClarkie]

36. Oh good. He pissed off my Rep. Cool beans

Edwards wasn't angry at Dean, btw. That was spin. They cherry-picked his quotes. Out of many good things he said, they picked the bad thing. He seems pleased with Dean's work over all.

This divisive shit isn't helping.

[Deja Q]

24. Dean still flubbed in his great line. Also, it's "Democrats" with a big D

Shame me all you like.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

31. Will this do??

[jillan]

32. I say we start a massive email campaign to those dissing Dean

My biggest complaint about Dems is that they publicly bash each other.
Whether they agree with Dean or not, they need to keep their mouths shut!

You never hear the republiecans bash each other, why do we?

Anybody ready to give the dems a lesson with me?

We need a list of who spoke out against Dean. And let them know it's time to support each other, no matter what.
If they have a problem with Dean, they can send him an email, but keep it out of the press!!!

These are the ones I know of:

Edwards
Biden
Pelosi (?)

who else???

[cestpaspossible]

34. Message discipline among Dems sucks

These folks have to learn to just use the questions they are asked by journalists as opportunities to attack Republicans or promote Democrats or the Democratic agenda. If they are asked a question where they can not come up with an answer that does that, just ignore the question and say whatever you want. But just don't say anything that hurts us, period.

[Pepperbelly]

37. not this shit again ...

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