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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:34 PM
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Blood pressure warning - "A Fix on Downing Street" - Weekly Standard
Brace yourself, this is the crap the conservatives will soon be spouting on the 24 hour talking head news shows.

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A Fix on Downing Street
From the June 20, 2005 issue: About that supposed smoking-gun memo.
by Tod Lindberg
06/20/2005, Volume 010, Issue 38

<snip>

There we have it in black and white: Bush lied about WMD and cooked the intelligence to support his position. At last, proof enough to start the impeachment proceedings.

Except, of course, that the folks peddling this story have long been convinced that Bush lied and cooked the intelligence. The question is: What have they got that will persuade someone who is not already a member of the ne plus ultra Bush-hating left?

The answer is nothing. In describing the leaked document in the terms above, I have been faithful to the way in which left-wing bloggers, activists, and assorted hangers-on have described its contents--which is to say, as inflammatorily as possible. But such a tendentious description comes at the expense of fidelity to what the document actually records.

For smoking-gun enthusiasts, the key to the plot is that word "fixed," as in, the fix is in. As in, the intelligence and facts weren't what Bush needed, so he fixed them. The problem with this analysis, if you can call it that, is quite simple...

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/719ltdun.asp?pg=2
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:35 PM
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1. Weekly Standard is a neocon rag. eom
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:36 PM
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The DSM only corroborates what others have said
Richard Clark and the former Secy of Treasury. Tod Lindberg can blather on with his fingers crossed behind his back.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:36 PM
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2. Oh yes PNAC.....Quite simple. You LIED....And LIED and they DIED
And guess what you're doing now? LYING directly over the top of the lies, using your official media outlet.

Bite on that and chew it, fascists. :mad: :mad:
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:40 PM
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3. How about THIS from the Weekly Standard ! -
"SCENE AND HEARD: According to sources, one of the possible candidates to replace the non-German-speaking U.S. ambassador to Germany, Dan Coats, is another supposedly non-German speaker by the name of W.R. "Tim" Timken Jr. of Ohio. Timken is chairman of the board of the Timken Company, maker of (according to its website) "bearings, alloy steels, and related products and services." He is also a member of the U.S.-Japan Business Council and a Chevalier in the French Legion of Honor. So wouldn't he be the ideal candidate for ambassador to France or Japan? (Incidentally, Timken is also a director of Diebold, Inc.)"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/706qdayj.asp?pg=2
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:50 PM
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6. Oh now this is lovely....
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 10:51 PM by lonestarnot
a lovely bunch of bullshit.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:17 PM
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12. Diebold won't have its cashcow for much longer.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:44 PM
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4. Great news.
They are hitching their wagon to fix the definition of "fix".

Perfect.

It'll never fly.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:46 PM
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5. looks like double talk to me
and I think it will to people who are not as radical as I am.

The fact that he feels the need to engage in this sort of parsing of language indicates fear.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:50 PM
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7. Your definition PNAC: VS Reality Definition
"Quite simple, he needed to fix what was wrong with the intelligence."

"WASHINGTON - President Bush asked for a plan to invade Iraq in November 2001, about three months after the Sept. 11 terror attacks and at a time when U.S. forces were still in the midst of ousting the Taliban regime from Afghanistan.

The timing of Bush's war planning, revealed in a book to be released Monday and confirmed Friday by the White House, is likely to fuel criticism that the Bush administration was preoccupied with Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein at the expense of pursuing al-Qaida and other terrorist groups.

"You're talking about the late period of November, when things were winding down in Afghanistan," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters, confirming that Bush spoke to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld at that time "about planning related to Iraq."

"But there is a difference between planning and making a decision" to go to war, McClellan said.

The timing of Bush's planning to oust Saddam is one of several insights detailed in the book "Plan of Attack" by journalist Bob Woodward.

In two other recent books, former Bush administration insiders said that they were surprised by the president's early focus on Iraq."

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/news/world/8458386.htm

Not according to the released minutes, there isn't. Now you're caught between a rock and a hard place. You want to have DIEBOLD become your next resident ambassador, what a shock!!! :evilgrin:

And you can no longer squirm anywhere......PNAC LIED, straight faced, and thousands DIED on behalf of your terrible wretched plan.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:52 PM
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8. Thankfully, it IS "quite simple".
Lies. Clinton lied, and they impeached him. If it's good enough for Clinton...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:56 PM
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9. Good Grief...if this is the best they've got to come at us and dispute the
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 10:57 PM by KoKo01
contents of Downing Street Minutes then let the Impeachment Begin. Sheesh...look at what lindberg says:

"The point is that the Bush administration seems bent on going to war based on the terrorism/WMD case without going to the U.N. (thus obtaining a legal justification in the Security Council--a point on which C turned out to be wrong) and without "publishing materialon the Iraqi regime's record" (thus making a humanitarian case--which Blair would subsequently emphasize). The "policy" decision was that the case was going to be made on the basis of terrorism/WMD, with the evidence "fixed"--made fast, set in order, arranged--to buttress that case, notwithstanding that, in the view of some present, other cases might be stronger (hence Straw's point about Libya, North Korea, and Iran).

BTW, Todd, where are the WMD, the Nukes aimed at the US ready to strike at any moment and the chemical/biological weapons factories brimming with evil stuff ready to go into the US Drinking water and subways? And, you conveniently leave out that the weapons inspectors were allowed in by Saddam and then thrown out when Chimp declared war. The ho..hum..attitute is laughable.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:15 PM
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10. guess we're the "ne plus ultra Bush-hating left"
according to the article...

(I had to look it up I'm afraid.. "ne plus ultra" means to be without a flaw or defect) I thought these neocons weren't big on French?
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:16 PM
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11. here ya go Weakly Standard
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:25 PM
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13. LOL - Tod Lindberg - neocon supreme:
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 11:26 PM by sparosnare


Tod Lindberg is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and editor of Hoover Institution's Policy Review, a Washington, D.C.-based bimonthly journal of essays, social criticism, and reviews on politics, government, and foreign and domestic policy. The journal's web site is www.policyreview.org, where the contents of the current edition as well as an archive of back issues are available.

Lindberg's areas of research interest are political theory, American politics, and national security policy. He is the editor of Beyond Paradise and Power: Europe, America, and the Future of a Troubled Partnership (Routledge, 2004). He is a contributing editor to the Weekly Standard. Since 1996, Lindberg has written a weekly column about politics for the Washington Times, where he served as editor of the editorial page from May 1991 to December 1998. His column appears Tuesdays in the Times and is available on-line at the Times' web site.

Lindberg is also general editor (with Peter Berkowitz) of the new Hoover Institution Press series "Hoover Studies in Politics, Economics, and Society," whose first titles will appear in 2005.
http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/bios/lindberg.html

more!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:33 PM
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14. On September 11th, 2001 the PNAC saw their “New Pearl Harbor”
On September 20th 2001, NINE days after 911, the National Security Strategy of the United States of America, also known as the Bush Doctrine, was released by President George W. Bush. It is an ideological match to the PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses report issued a year earlier. In many places, it uses exactly the same language to describe America's new place in the world.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdf
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