Fahrenheit 911: Which scene angered you the most?

[smartvoter]

There were more disturbing and emotional scenes, and I was outraged throughout it, but the one that really irked me the most was the footage of the conference when they're talking about how there is going to be all kinds of money flowing from the war and they're basically celebrating the payoff.

[RoyGBiv]

1. Not. One. Senator.

Congressional Black Caucus protesting the election and not one Senator standing up.

Not one.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. That's the day democracy died. I cried at that both times I saw F911.

Although Sensenbrenner at the Patriot Act hearings was a pretty good show of "lost democracy".

[bklyncowgirl]

10. That was it for me.

The people who should have stood up and protested failed the people.

[bowens43]

18. this was it for me too.

I was so ashamed of the spineless,m arrogant idiots we voted into the senate.

[Patty Diana]

26. That was even before the Anthrax Attacks on congressional Democrats

[fortyfeetunder]

35. Yeah, I was very pissed at that scene too.

Thanks to Barbara Boxer, we did get that voice...

The other scene was the grieving parents, I was crying at the end.

[Adelante]

55. Bingo

That's the one. I can never forget that scene. Al Gore banging the gavel.

[Califooyah Operative]

59. seriously, it gave and gives me the chills. nt

[BrklynLiberal]

62. That was the moment that could have made all the difference....

;(

There were so many others that made my blood boil, but they were after the fact. If ANYONE had stood up at that moment, everything else might have been different afterward.

[RoyGBiv]

73. My thoughts exactly ...

It's not often we get to witness one of those mythical "turning points in history" knowing that it is indeed a turning point at the time we are witnessing it, but that was one of those. I watched that happen, when it happened, and I just knew, without knowing, that the shit had done hit the fan and splatted all over us.

I just didn't know how bad it would be.

It made a perfect introduction to the entire documentary. If people with convictions had stood their ground then, *everything* would have been different.

[Catfight]

64. I agree, not one senator coming forward was a shame that will scar

democracy forever.

[Anthropologist]

70. What RoyGBiv wrote!

What you described in the scene that pissed me off to no end. Just thinking about it makes my blood curl, I just want to scream. A part of me just CANNOT believe that one senator-NOT ONE stood their ground to protest. Nothing means more to me than the United States Consitution and what it upholds and in my mind EVERY SENATOR-EVERY FUCKING SENATOR failed that day! :grr: :bangshead:

Thankfully our grassroots stood up and protested loud enough to have Senator Boxer stand up for the consitution this time around. Now on to election reform! WhooHoo!

:kick:

[serryjw]

74. I Cried

I had read about it but seeing it was so much worse...Where was Wellstone?

[mandyky]

76. Same here

I wept like a baby. Seriously - sobbed and the whole 9.

[KaliTracy]

78. I cried at that. I had no clue it took place -- while I know now

that Gore asked for no one to stand.... it still was a very hard scene to watch, and even harder to understand why 4 years later there was such glossing over of the problems in Florida and Ohio (and other states).

[RoyGBiv]

83. Gore ...

While I think I understand part of what he was thinking at the time -- I think most other Senators were simply thankful for the excuse not to do anything, quite frankly -- it still deeply disappoints me. That is, I believe he didn't want to instigate what would have been a severe constitutional crisis.

But some things are worth fighting for, and that was one of them. He dropped the ball by giving those Senators an out. I don't blame him specifically, though. In the face of all those Reps, one after another, coming up and pleading, begging, for just one Senator to stand by his convictions, I cannot but hope I would have had the courage to cast Gore's advice aside and set the wheels in motion. Win or loose in the end, it would not have been an empty gesture.

[malmapus]

90. Thats gotta be it for me too, I had no idea that happened

I felt soooo angry and betrayed that our Senators let us down.

[rzemanfl]

2. So many, the "haves and the have mores," "now, watch this

drive." After I saw Fahrenheit I was sure Bush was done for.

[Stirk]

39. That's the one that pissed me off most. "Have's and have-more's".

It was so stunningly elitist and arrogant. I already knew that was the attitude, but I never thought anyone could be so crass as to actually *brag about it publicly*.

[MisterP]

53. "How d'you do--we're all well-to-do!"

[FreedomAngel82]

57. And here they claim

in public that the democratic party is the party of the elitist. :mad: When Bush is the biggest one of all. Was the scene of him looking for the "WMD's" in that movie? I can't remember. Don't forget the Saudi's being transfered as well. :mad: Nobody even got a chance to question them. That shows me that Bush was involved. :mad:

[Broken_Hero]

3. The Haves, and the Have Mores, I call you my base....

The part when he is at a spiffy dinner talking about the haves, and the have mores, i call you my base...when i heard that i about fell over in my damn chair. And the average republican calls us elitist? My god, that scene had me so damn pissed. Granted their were a lot of scenes that had me upset, but that one takes the cake. The whole movie had me upset to tell you the truth, i had like a shred of respect for Bush before watching the move, and afterward i had more than a healthy dislike for the man....

[tritsofme]

6. I couldn't believe he said that as well

And I had to find out more in its context.

That was said at a parody dinner in which Bush and Gore both participated in, I think it was at the archdiocese of New York, or some other Catholic setting.

I'm sure that's how he really feels though.

Welcome to DU BTW!

[Broken_Hero]

9. Thanks...

I have been reading the DU for about two, or three months now, finally decided tonight to throw my two cents into the mix. A roast huh? Well, i have seen some roasts on Comedy Central of Hugh Hefner and some others, and those were funny, what Bush said wasn't funny in the least bit...

His policies and tax cuts for the more wealthy people in our country support the, Haves, and Have mores, you are my base mentality.

But thanks for the welcome, its good to be in a like minded atmosphere for a change.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Glad you're here

:hi: Nice to have you out of the corner.

[Skittles]

8. asshole conservatives defend that by saying IT WAS A ROAST

get it? IT REALLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. :puke:

[smartvoter]

54. Yeah. I hate that scene. nt

[brettdale]

4. I hated the scene

When the two marine recuriters were trying to trick the young african amercian men into signing up, by saying Shaggy was in the marines, and then when they lied to the kid who said he wasnt interested, saying they had to take his name to mark off thier list, so they could get his details.

[Skittles]

7. when he sat and sat and sat there

and you know those people are jumping out of the towers

[peacebuzzard]

23. However did Moore obtain footage of the classroom scene? I have been

enraged since. His juxtaposition of the time-lines those minutes was the total exposure of the idiocy of the chimp.

[marions ghost]

31. the school was videotaping the prez visit

was what I heard

[FreedomAngel82]

60. There's a video of it out

I've seen it on a few sites and have it saved myself. Someone was there who video taped it. I read that when Bush got there a reporter on the scene at the school asked Bush when he got out of his limo if he knew what was going on and he said "oh yeah" and shrugged it off and continued his photo-op. :mad: Then he claimed he saw the first plane hit when there were no video's of it out yet! Some people have said he misspoke but he never misspeaks whether intentially or not.

[Skittles]

63. peace, that video was on the elementary school's website

a progressive site picked it up before it was yanked and Mr. Moore made history with it

[Nobody]

93. I've seen that look before

Usually during rehearsals when one of the cast forgets a line. Instead of saying "Line" like you're supposed to, they just stand there, dropping character, and the "Oh shit I forgot my line" look that we all saw on George Dubya's face on Sept 11.

For seven terrible minutes we saw the real Dubya.

[chalky]

51. This was it for me. I was enraged even more after hearing

an inteview with Moore. He said they'd considered putting the entire 7 minutes into F911, but decided it wa too painful to sit through the entire seven minutes.

The scene was cut down to 45 seconds, I believe? And even then it seemed as though he sat there FOREVER, looking like an idiot, while people jumped in desperation from the towers.

Now...multiply that time by NINE.

[Skittles]

65. I never thought of it that way

wehn I HEARD about him just sitting there it outraged me - ask ANYONE what they did when they heard about 9/11 and see how many of them say I JUST CONTINUED WITH WHAT I WAS DOING. Only the f***ing SOCIOPATHS could answer like that - the rest of us had our hearts crushed and our souls seared watching the desperation of it all.

[malmapus]

91. Yeah, I cannot even think about sitting there for another 6 mins and 15

seconds, that 45 seconds felt like eternity.

Always brings me to a loss of words thinking about it, with all those people dying and he was just sitting there when it was his duty to lead.

[B Calm]

11. The lady from Michigan who lost her son in Iraq and when she went

to Washington DC for answers.. If I had been her.. the secret service would probably had to kill me..

[Pepperbelly]

17. yup ...

that one was a heart breaker.

[Frederik]

48. That woman who tells her

she ought to blame it on al-Qaida.

[htindall]

79. Lila Lipscomb

That's the lady from Michigan, and one of the scenes that had me ready to commit violence was the neocon chick who walked up to her on the street when she was talking to the Iraqi(? - can't remember at the moment if she was Iraqi or Afghani) woman and told them to blame it on AQ........and then watching Lila walk away, sobbing so hard she couldn't catch her breath.

If I could have gotten my hands on that b*tch, I would have cheerfully snapped her scrawny neck.

[Broken_Hero]

12. Another one that had me going....

Was the no senators standing up for the black caucus. I have used this scenario to show that F-911 just wasn't against GWB. A friend of mine from Ark told me that she "saw" the movie, and i asked her what she thought about it, she said all it was was a bunch of liberal elitist trying to discredit GWB. I responded by saying, did you actually watch the movie, she said she did, and i was very very skeptical. She is a proclaimed independant, but i know for a fact she wears GWB undies...

I told her that F-911 was a movie about all of government, which primarily focused on the Bush Administration and i told her about the part where no senators would stand up with the black caucus, she said she didn't remember that part (figures), and i said that when no senators stood up, that meant, all senators, democratic, independant and republican. She said it was a weak stab at Demo's, and i was like no it wasn't, Demo's didn't want to take a stand against GWB.

I also pointed out the part where that politician from Michigan said he didn't read the patriot act. I told her that dude was a Demo who didn't even read the patriot act, and that it was another stab at Dem's. But of course, she responds by saying its irrevalant and its all liberal elitists media propaganda....

Which in retrospect reflects what all the Republicans whom i have talked to keep repeating to me all the time whenever i bring up that GWB is crack pot.

By the way, my wifes most hated part is when that lady went to washington, and was at the WH and she was talking to the lady that was saying bush was a killer and what not, and a passer by started in on her saying its not true, and this and that, and the other lady said, its not a lie, i have a son that died in Iraq, and the passerby said where, like she didn't believe her...that part had my wifey throwing fits...:)

[DemonFighterLives]

21. Welcome to DU!

You seem to have caught the big points.
The Black Caucus thing was one of the toughest scenes to watch. You see Gore presiding over his own demise. Can anyone imagine unca Dick voting against his interests? Of course not! Rotten paid off Senators.
It was sad when the fireworks went back in the can at the victory celebration after Fox declared dubby the pResident.
Ole spitcomb wolfowitz was enough to make maggots jump off a gut wagon.

[MountainLaurel]

82. The recruiters

And the scene in front of Congress where MM was asking why THEIR children hadn't enlisted yet.

[Todd B]

13. Two parts for me

Two parts really did it for me. 1 was the footage of the war and the casualties of the Iraqi citizens and 2 was the fact that most of the Senators who authorized Bush to go to war wouldn't even hear Moore out about sending their children to war.

Although the 7 minutes was very enraging - he had that deer in the headlights look like "oh my god, I actually have to do work when I'm president? Hmm, I guess I shouldn't have spent all that time at the ranch".

Grrrr!

[leftofthedial]

14. "...I call you my base."

the class war on display for all to see.

[sickinohio]

15. The "haves and the have more"

[sickinohio]

16. Actually - I just changed my mind -

ALL of the scenes PISSED ME OFF!!

[malmapus]

92. It is hard to just pick one, I agree..eom

..

[ET Awful]

19. The scene at the end when the closing credits rolled and Bush was still

in office.

[Modem Butterfly]

20. The scenes with the recruiters in the school...

I grew up in a very rural, economically depressed part of Oregon. Recruiters were omnipresent. We were ordered to take the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery). I grew up and got out of that town, graduated from college, moved across country, traveled extensively and came to think of myself as reasonably worldly and experienced. But it wasn't until we saw Farenheit 9/11 last summer that I realized that not every high school gave the military such latitude and that the reason we had been targeted is because the government sized us up as not having a lot of options, and rather than do anything to help, treated us like their farm team. And that it's still going on and getting worse.

[alphafemale]

22. The "FReeper" type yelling at Lila Lipscomb (mother of dead soldier)

that "This is all staged!"

FReepers seem to have little regard for true human feeling and loss. And it was exposed there on the big screen.

Momma Lipscomb is a person that will be in my heart forever.

[cynatnite]

29. That sent me over

During the movie it builds, but when I see that freep talking to Mrs. Lipscomb like she should be happy her son is dead it makes me want to ring that nut's neck. I was fuming by this point and the waste of human life for this...

I'm stopping because I'm getting pissed again.

[Frederik]

49. "Blame it on al-Qaida"

[kittenpants]

32. yeah, that is just too much at that point. I wanted to hurt that lady!

[alphafemale]

40. She either has incredible restraint...or was too stunned to react.

It was outrageous.

[DawgHouse]

80. I've often wondered who that lady was...

[alphafemale]

88. I suspect it was part of the "Michael Moore Hates America" crew

Part of that failed FReeper film,

I've heard they tailed him and the F911 crew around quite like stalkers.

[suziedemocrat]

24. Where they have music playing in the tanks to make war like a video game

Then some soldier says that at first it was cool, but then he realized people were actually dying.

[smartvoter]

71. Yeah. That bothered me too. Getting "pumped up" to kill. nt

[Patty Diana]

25. Fahrenheit 911 Alert___Showtime will premiere it in JULY!! Tell Everyone

this is a must see for ALL Americans

[Toots]

27. Actually Bowling for Columbine had more of an effect on me.

Maybe it is just me but I think Bowling for Columbine was an amazing documentary. Should be shown in every classroom in America.

[Patty Diana]

28. Yea, From my cold dead hands, Heston's on Shit list forever

[alphafemale]

36. We watched "Roger and Me" again recently too. Very sad.

Makes the scenes in F911 where he returns to Flint all the more poignant.

[Frederik]

50. I think Roger & Me is a good film

raises the question of corporate responisibility and "free trade" (aka outsourcing to where the labor is cheapest) as the cornerstone of globalization. How it affects ordinary people and communities that are built around manufacturing jobs. But Roger Moore is an "elitist Democrat", don't you know.

[alphafemale]

61. I thought Roger Moore was a British actor who played James Bond

:D

I know you meant "Smith."

[alphafemale]

69. Michael Moore is the best documentary film-maker...maybe ever.

He somehow captures people revealing who they are.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

30. I often think of Bush addressing his "base"-people who don't depend on SS

[leesa]

34. Don't depend on it, don't pay for it after 90,000 dollars, but collect it

anyway.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

43. Why in the hell don't they have to pay? Correct that & correct SS problems

Sound like a good starting point.

[kittenpants]

33. The conference scene really pissed me off too where the guy says

how great the war is and then catches himself and says, well it's bad for people, but goddamn it's great for business! It really kills part of my hope for humanity to see that.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. I wept when I saw the Congress members begging for one signature.

I had no idea that happened.

[HughBeaumont]

38. The Brooks Brothers Riot

and that fat glassed hick-blob with the sign yelling "President Bewsh! President Bewsh!" Asshole.

Man, if only SOMEone had a scythe . . .

Runners-up:

Commander-in-Cheat Link landing on the flight deck to the strains of Joey Scarbury's "Believe it Or Not"
"This is all STAGED!"
"You fool me . . . y' can't get fooled agin!"
"I call you m'base."
"Heh Heh Heh"
"Who wants some grits?" I'm sure your bitch Fat Peale does!

[Amonester]

41. The Innocent Dead Iraquis In The Pickup Truck... :-((((((

(Remains of) the INNOCENT little baby the Iraqui civilian "shows" to the camera before he (MADLY) "throws" in the trunk of that old pickup truck...

Many others, but THAT one is so... unacceptable, even more when compared to the "have-mores' party..."


Will this species ever learn before it's too late?

:mad:

[BlueStateGirl]

42. The bodies in the pickup truck hit me the hardest. I actually had to

get upand walk out for a few minutes to compose myself.

But I think the scene that angered me the most was the scene where the Congressional Black Cacus could not get one Senator to sign. They could have stopped all of this and they didn't.

[TankLV]

44. The "Black Caucus" thing.

The "My Base" thing comes in a close second.

I must admit, that I was refreshed and newely enraged the moment it started and didn't let up till way past when we got back home.

And every day since.

[Protagoras]

47. Yep...strangely the Black Caucus moment at the beginning

overwhelmed me more than any other piece.

Perhaps, because it was the moment where I most felt betrayed by my own rather than by the republicans.

First time I think I've ever cried at the beginning of a movie.

[La Coliniere]

45. All of the so called..

"Democrat" and Progressive" media types and politicos who acted like Moore apologists after the film's premiere. They angered me the most. This film gave our side the perfect opportunity to walk , repug-like, in lock step and present a unified front. As usual, the spineless party spokesmen distanced themselves and caved under media pressure, and, well, you know the rest. Still gritting my teeth over this. GRRRRRRHHHHH

To answer your question.
1. shameful senators refusing to defend democracy
2. "have and have mores"
3. Mrs. Lipscomb breaking down in front of the WH

[linazelle]

46. When thry started bombing and the Iraqis were wailing and crying.nt

[BlueIris]

52. Ashcroft singing.

Reminded me quite a lot of Nero (and Nero's henchmen) frolicking while Rome burns.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. That's tough

There were a lot of scenes that angered me. I think the first time I felt true anger was when the black members were trying to show fraud and stand up for democracy but everyone told them to sit down and shut up. :mad: Nobody stud up beside them. Thankfully this happened last November. I was also pissed off when Bush was in the plane with his brother saying confidentally he knew he was going to win. :mad: Of course you son of a bitch.

[ScreamingMeemie]

66. The father...holding the little boy who had lost his life..seeing how

he had wet his pants...and realizing he was the same age as my son. I couldn't bear it...yet I had to. :cry:

[ScreamingMeemie]

67. Dupe

and then I replied instead of editing. Sorry everyone.

[ScreamingMeemie]

68. Dupe

[jarnocan]

72. Here is a big Michael Moore fan, and so am I.

http://www.msnusers.com/ImpeachBush/shoebox.msnw?Page=2 go here and click on thumbnail to see larger

[Alex146]

75. Burn Motherfucker

Burn.

[peekaloo]

77. Bu$h playing rancher with the attendant media lap dogs

during his "vacation". "Gonna meet with Karen...blah, blah, blah". Telling them how much work he's doing......all prior to 9/11.

Worthless piece of shit.

[w8liftinglady]

81. The way our soldiers changed....

I guess because my son is a soldier in Iraq.The way they realized it was all bullshit,and they are being used as pawns.The anguish in that mom's face and voice as she related hearing about her son's death.The pain in that poor dad's face as he held his dead child.

[Beaver Tail]

84. Blame it on Al-Quida

I wanted to jump through my TV and rip the heart of bitch and shove it in the front of her face so she could see how black it was before she died.

That scene more than any had a profound impact on me and still angers me to no end.

9/11 ripped the soul from my being and when I got it back I found it wasn’t completely intact. I don’t think that I will have it completly until GWB is impeached.

Killer B's (Bush and Blair)

[Comicstripper]

85. REALLY COOL STORY. Please read.

I saw Fahrenheit 911 twice in theaters. Once with friends the day it came out, and the other with a Congressional Workshop group with kids (all Democrats, except one) from all over the country in DC.
First off, the reactions were amazing: a bunch of kids were crying by the end. For various reasons.
HERE'S THE STORY:
The scene that personally angered me the most was when the woman accused the grieving war mother and the anti-war activist of being phony. "This is all a stage." Remember? She assaulted the mother, even asking when her son died, and where. It was intense.
Well, that night, we pay those protesters a visit. All the kids on the DC trip. For those who don't know, that woman and her male partner have lived outside the White House for decades, protesting war and various indiscretions. They were just sitting there.
We went up, shook their hands, talked for awhile. They had a nice dog there, too. The woman (she has a notably high voice) was on her bicycle. The man (to whom i talked for a good five-to-ten minutes) was probably stoned, but was pleasant and reserved.
I live in DC, so I'm used to the power and glory associated with the city. The monuments, buildings, and historical and modern significance no longer phase me. But meeting those protesters really did. They were dedicated, that was for sure. They've devoted their entire lives to protesting injustice.
Yes, they are a little nuts. But they're sincere nuts. And I was glad I met them.

[ls317]

86. The Fallen Soldiers Mother from Flint Michigan

[NJCher]

87. The Iraqi woman whose home had just been bombed

She was in a black burqua, screaming. I immediately thought of my own house in ruins. I would be screaming, just like she was.

To think of seeing your house--your home, your shelter--as a pile of rocks and for what?

And it wasn't just her house that was gone--there was human loss in that attack, too.

This scene will not leave me. As I drive down the streets with homes with perfectly manicured lawns and LCD screens hung over the fireplace mantle, pumping out cotton candy to the American masses, I think of this woman without a home. Everytime I put my key in the lock upon returning home, I think of her.

It doesn't go away and it shouldn't go away. As long as this government is killing and destroying in our names, it should not go away.


Cher

[AntiCoup2K4]

89. Pretty much the entire movie.

Except none of it came as much of a surprise. I already knew 95% of what Moore pointed out anyway. About the only thing that was "news" to me was the wholesale corporatization of Iraq that took place as soon as the Bremer puppet regime was installed (or was it even before that?) I hadn't seen that footage before.