Let's face it, Torturing prisoners of war is just plain FUN!

[mopaul]

listening to callers pro and con on guantanamo bay on cspan.

remember the smiles on the faces of the g.i.'s at abu ghraib? they were ENJOYING the humiliation and torture of the perceived enemy. there is a sexual thrill to torturing someone, ask any serial killer.

it's a sexual thrill, and a religious thrill. it's very personal, the victim and the sadist, only a special kind of person excels in this activity. and it's useless as a tool for getting information.

the only point of torture, is fun.

[Sgt. Baker]

1. you are correct

They do enjoy it. Some of it reminds me of hazing rituals. They laugh and joke while inflicting pain and humiliating the victim. It's a power thing.

[Deja Q]

2. wrong us, shall we not revenge?

Meanwhile, we all breathe the same air...

When a human is wronged, we do get a sense of satisfaction out of revenge.

And especially if the enemy is contrived like Iraq, it makes things much worse for our credibility as a nation.

Those who did the torture are traitors to our nation, if not the very notion of common decency and civilized behavior. They are as much traitors for Jane Fonda narking on US troops in Vietnam. (being anti-war is one thing. Helping the innocent in Vietnam was a damn good thing. Narking out soldiers just so they can be tortured by the enemy is just as heinous as torturing them yourself. While I can oddly not make blanket statements, that sole particular action of hers has no justification. The soldiers are trained to follow orders. Maybe she should have gone after the COs and send them to the Viet Cong to play with?)

She's recently apologized for her past, thinks Pickles is of high character and thinks that she'd have a high impression of * if she spent some time with him. That sure as hell won't make many Vietnam vets feel better for obvious reasons and that puts a damper on the idea she's not a tighty-whitey-righty. I had maintained a pick'n'choose mindset about her before, but these days she's totally gutter trash. Not when she's licking up to *.

But I digress, that was then. This is now. Corporations are leaving us bankrupt, we then join the military, and get sent off to fight a bunch of people who are now definitely enemies. That's what happens when a selfish twerp lies and distorts to get his way. We wrongfully went in, based on a lie, and caused chaos. They aren't our friends anymore - if they ever were, but they were when we sold weapons to them... Then we don't stop the looting of precious human artifacts and then * gets Sadist's pistol mounted on the WH wall and any belief that * was not doing it for any personal reason goes down the toilet. It was about personal revenge. The valuable artifact belongs in a museum...

Life's a joke.

[tsuki]

3. Every time that I think we are turning the corner, I listen to the

Journal. What rock do these people crawl out from under? It is no wonder we are considered the most mentally unstable nation in the world. "The entire purpose of the Red Cross and those kinds of organizations is to make the USA look bad."

Hanging electrical wires on a man's genitals and taking pictures of it is not a bad thing. It's a good thing. Reporting that we do it is a bad thing. If we hang electrical wires on a man's genitals, and take pictures to commemorate the event, pictures for posterity, why are we angry at the Red Cross for saying that we are hanging electrical wires on a man's genitals?

And we "know" all those people down there are bad. We don't know who they are, or why they are there, but we "know" they are bad. Just like we "knew" every American of Japanese descent was bad during WWII.

[chknltl]

10. Secret theory: Some of those hayseed callers are from:

...The CATO Institute. (Neocon Think-Tank) They know exactly what they are doing: spreading propaganda that real hayseeds can glom onto.

Soap Box time:
I am an American.
I am ashamed of my fellow Americans who feel that the police are above the law.
I am ashamed of my fellow Americans who feel that our government is above the laws of the Geneva Convention.
I am ashamed of my fellow Americans who think any thing we do to our Prisoners Of War is fine and compare it as a favorable alternative to what the "Terrorists" are doing to their prisoners.
Those terrorists are committing crimes against humanity. They need to be brought to Justice. PERIOD! Where in the hell do you get off suggesting any of us "liberals" think different! America is not above the law just because we are fighting "Terrorists". Do you take pride in America stooping to the level of the criminals you so self rightiously despise in order to resolve our perceived problems? Is that how you were raised? Aren't you the ones saying Saddam needed to be taken down because of his Crimes Against Humanity! Now you condone us acting like that as well? You shame us all who still want to take pride in being an American.
rant over. Sorry, watching Washington Journal made me want to get that out for some reason.
Now then, back to those repug think tanks I mentioned earlier. I sense their evil mitts all over those incoming calls to C-Spin, (sorry C-SPAN, not your fault). Ever notice how they pump out a line for one repug to say then a few calls in another will say a similar version of the same thing. Next thing you know you will be hearing it damn near everywhere, its almost a chant, "Terrists... (angry look/or angry vocalls)...Cut Heads"!!! I swear I have heard versions of this on so many different channels in the last 24 hours. One of those neocon bastards used that line on that "House Hearing on the Patriot Act" yesterday. (What a delight that was to watch)(I'll post a link for those of you who might have missed it). I think this administration is coming apart at the seems. I am guessing about a third of those C-SPAN callers are from a republican think tank. They may be acting like stupid right wingers, but what they are really doing is the intentional spreading of propaganda. And a lot of good folks are falling for it. I have heard a lot of bad coming out of a lot of people lately, but I can not say I have met ANYONE who felt that we AMERICANS ARE ABOVE THE LAW. How many of those "Hay-Seeds" would like to brag about THAT on C-SPAN? Yeah, Thats what I thought! Shame on you repug spinmiesters, shame on you.
Here's that link I promissed earlier. http://www.c-span.org/ then scroll down to "House Hearing on The Patriot Act Reauthorisation", grab some popcorn before you click it. (John Conyers fans, guess which one of our favorite Americans is there as well...):patriot:

[sellitman]

4. Junior sais......" Torture is hard work".

:sarcasm:

[indepat]

5. They do it because they like it and/or are expected to do it

[mopaul]

6. special super secret torture guys come in, & the grunts leave them alone

i've read all about it. they are copying their superiors. of course certain grunts enjoy it as well.

[suegeo]

7. They follow the plans of Steven Cambone, I think I read that somewhere.

Dr. Cambone read a book about the psychology of Arab men.

Dr. Cambone uses this knowledge against Arab men, in order to design the most effective torture methods.

Dr. Cambone defends torture. Dr. Cambone is a very bad man.

Steven Cambone, soul murderer.

[Patty Diana]

8. Right Wing Sycophants____all in need of mental health counceling

on my death bed I will remember by RW brother laughing as my Dad beat the shit out of me.. My brother was NEVER touched by my Dad, maybe he should have been

[Algorem]

9. It's kinky too.Don't forget kinky.

Ooh.Kinkay.Bondage and domination,a fascist's fave.

[chknltl]

11. shameless kick...

because i liked my earlier rant :patriot:

[chknltl]

12. 2nd shameless kick nt

[morgan2]

13. if you've never ripped a mans

teeth out with a pair of pliers, I really do suggest you give it a try. One of the most enjoyable things I've ever done.

[AX10]

14. It must the same thing for police when they hurt people too.

Not saying that all cops do, MOST do NO enjoy it, but there are the Liddie England's and they are frightning.

[Poiuyt]

15. Not as much fun as shooting them!!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/

General: It's 'fun to shoot some people'

A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine Corps commandant said Thursday.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded Marine expeditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, made the comments Tuesday during a panel discussion in San Diego, California.

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."