Why is Dean the issue when Bush is tanking in the polls?

[Blue_Roses]

I watched the MTP talking heads this morning and they did get off the "bash Dean train" long enough to discuss Bush's low approval ratings. Why the hell focus on Dean when Bush is tanking? I just don't get it. Bush's approval ratings are terrible and everyone on the panal--including JUDY WOODRUFF--made this very clear. Bush is in a lot of trouble. To keep the focus on Dean instead of Bush's tanking job numbers, plays right into the Karl Rove playbook and as usual our base takes the bait. :shrug: You would think that people like Biden and Lieberman would figure this out by now. Harold Ford on the other hand is only in the "bashing of Dean" for his own political agenda--nothing more, nothing less, so I don't expect much out of him.

There has NEVER been a time in history when things have changed by people sitting quiet and being complacent. Some of the most radical changes have happened because people DID SPEAK OUT against popular opinion. Martin Luther King comes to mind. Rosa Parks is another one. The list goes on and on. Whether you like Dean or not, doesn't matter. It's what he's doing to shake things up that matters and it's about damn time somebody is going against the grain. I see what's happening now as a critical turning point in many ways.

[Fridays Child]

1. Your question contains your answer.

Dean is the issue because B*sh is tanking in the polls.

[goclark]

2. Exactly

[Straight Shooter]

4. Bingo. You answered your own question. n/t

[Blue_Roses]

6. If only it were that simple

to those who have to pick this issue apart because they are angry at the fact the Dean is speaking out or the other extreme, being "picked on" (and for what it's worth, Dean can hold his own) these comments bring to light the ongoing problem with missing the bigger picture:banghead:

[KittyWampus]

34. Dean's Also The Issue Cause DU'ers, For Instance, Play Right Into GOP

hands.

[dogday]

3. They Are Using Mr. Deflector and Mr. Deflector has

chosen Dean to be the Weapon of Mass Deception.....

[babylonsister]

7. ...more like a weapon of mass distraction. nt

[wndycty]

5. Given that Bush is tanking in the polls. . .

. . .shouldn't Dean have avoided making a controversial statement that would put all Democrats in position of either defending it or distancing themselves from it? Dean should have been smarter and let Bush's polls do him in.

[Blue_Roses]

8. well wndycty,

hindsight may be 20/20 but the words are out there now. I'm not sure if I agree on everything being said, but I do like the fact that Dean is shaking things up. I'm tired of the repubs steam rolling over us.

[cyclezealot]

10. Want to see Bush's polls really tank

then force Bush to come to terms with his DSM scandals...

[wndycty]

12. As long as Dean is making headlines. . .

. . .that aint going to happen.

[cyclezealot]

19. we need help support him

why, because he speaks the truth...Leave it up to a bunch of wimpy corporate Democrats, the DSM scandal will be ignored.

[wndycty]

39. So Obama is a wimpy corporate Democrat?

Barney Frank is a wimpy corporate Democrat?

[cyclezealot]

50. he voted for torte reform

that was a major disappointment in my book..

[mrdmk]

16. That is complete utter non-sense

Mr. Bush Jr. and Company has had a great run in undoing everything social and moral in this country just because of that strategy. Let him beat himself has lost an election to the presidency and the congress. Has let Mr. Bush Jr. undo the Bill of Rights. Has let Mr. Bush Jr. kill people in foreign lands (by the hundred of thousands). Has let Mr. Bush Jr. make us the laughing stock of the world.

Forget the sit back and do nothing strategy, we need to take this group of people head on and it is now or never.

[stickdog]

28. Given that people are starting to shield their eyes, wouldn't it be

prudent to refrain from mentioning the emperor's bare-assed?

Fuck, no. It's only "controversial" because the MSM and the DLC have conspired to deem it so. To paraphrase Begala, "How the fuck is it newsworthy that the head of the DNC doesn't love Republicans?"

[Jawja]

38. No, I think

Dean should keep talking. Now IS the right time for Dean to be talking - when the general public is finally catching on to the conmen/criminals tanking our country.

I want to see him use this attention on him to advantage: "Bush and Cheney are war criminals. The Downing Street Minutes prove that they lied us into war; are these impeachable offenses?"

I want to see Dean deliver this message so that when the "news" covers it, the general public might start asking, "well AREN'T they war criminals?"

[cyclezealot]

9. Because the corporate media knows Dean might speak up.

Dean could cause escalate this thing from a brush fire to a raging fire...they want him shut up..I got my calls and post cards ready to support Dean's honesty...Dean speaks for me..
We don't support him, we will loose him... I think the first challenge hassle the 'corporate Democrats' who will try to shut Dean up...I supported Dennis Kucinich..but, right now, Dean could be the one to bring Democracy to America.

[Blue_Roses]

11. Dean can't bring Democracy to America

but WE can. One man alone can't do it all. I'm not sure how Dean's "voice" will play in the long scheme of things, but something had to change. We have to give the repubs a dose of their own reality.

[cyclezealot]

18. Dean's role..

We need a voice that can tower over the censorship..without a leader to spur us on, it will be difficult to get over the media censorship.

[Carolab]

21. He always said that: WE have the power

He also always said "I can't do it alone".

And he said "the Democratic party needs to be the party of the grassroots".

[man4allcats]

23. Go, Howard! You da Man!

I am sick of wimps in leadership roles in the Democratic Party. Howard Dean has my full support!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. So why doesn't Dean

talk about Bush's tanking poll numbers? About the thousands dead in Iraq? About our failing economy? About our debt? About national health coverage?

About all these things?

Instead, he rants and makes himself the topic.

I love the guy's enthusiasm, but he's acting like an amateur.

Democrats need someone with a little less inflated ego.

[stickdog]

30. He has. It doesn't get coverage if it's not a "gotcha gaffe." (nt)

[man4allcats]

31. He is quite human, but I think amateur is an overstatement.

All the points you note are true, but to me they are so glaringly obvious that I hardly think they need special note. Maybe that's just me, but I can't imagine that anyone with one eye, half a brain and even the least bit of objectivity could deny that Bush's own performance is way beyond amateur. Criminally negligent would seem more appropriate. Howard's got a mouth, at times perhaps to a fault, but I like that. If he hits them with a shot now and then, so be it. God knows we've taken enough.

[Blue_Roses]

36. I think your post speaks for where I'm

at right now. Talk about over inflated ego--think of Bush. I'm just tired of watching the repubs bash and gnaw at us while no one says a thing. Hell, they tried to impeach Clinton over something so stupid, but yet Bush sits in the oval office after OBVIOUS LIES, one after another. I'm reaching the point of who gives a rats ass what Dean says as long as he sticks it to the repubs. They sure don't use the "etiquette book of politics" when it comes to bashing us. Sometimes you just have to get on the same level as the dogs to beat 'em. Dean isn't running for office, so he can take the gloves off. Not sure how this will all turn out 'cause only history will be the true tell all, but for now it's time to stand up and fight back.

I'm tired of playing nice.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

37. What shot?

What shot did Dean hit anyone with?

He shot himself in the foot.

Believe me, I'd love to be proven wrong, and I'd love to see people begin to galvanize response to this alleged administration, but I know that namecalling, ugly characterizations, and making yourself the topic are not how it's done.

We've "taken enough" because we've voluntarily bent over. Did you note that "compromise" worked out in the filibuster matter? That was only the most recent example of Democrats giving up without a fight.

If you confuse Dean's rants with fighting, you're wrong. He's playing right into the hands of Them.

[man4allcats]

42. I don't think it's a matter of any sort of confusion at all.

They've been asking for a "damned good whacking" for a long time, and if Howard's in the mood to give it to them I applaud him. There are times when it doesn't hurt to have a junkyard dog in your arsenal. I'm all for letting Howard off his leash more often. "Beware of Leroy. He bites."

[Blue_Roses]

24. there definitely will be more "brush fires" before the next election

'cause from what I can tell Dean is just now getting fired up. I'm not sure how it will turn out, but it looks to be fun getting there;)

[blm]

13. Who owns NBC? A very large defense contractor making BILLIONS off Bushwars

Do you really have to wonder why?

[Blue_Roses]

15. I don't

it was a rhetorical question.

[blm]

17. heheh...so was mine.

I pose it just to keep that fact out there.

;)))))))

[Blue_Roses]

22. I do need a reminder

'cause I do forget that about NBC--:)

[jobycom]

14. I think they are helping us, whether they are doing it on purpose or not

Bush is tanking in the polls, and rather then the media going into their "let's bring Bush back up" mode-- hyping our military, posting phoney economic recovery numbers, doing intimate Bush portraits to make everyone understand what a beautifully complex man he truly is, etc, they are talking about US.

The media may think they are bashing us, but they are posing a question where both answers require people to choose a Democrat. Meanwhile, they aren't hyping Bush. Bush's numbers won't go up if the media ignores him.

[Carolab]

20. DISTRACTION

As Dean said.

[stickdog]

26. Dean is the issue BECAUSE Bush is tanking.

Shit, Biden's giving Bush advice on reselling the Iraq War to Americans. The corporate branch of the "Democratic" Party has shown its colors by actively propping up Bush at Dean's expense.

Dean obviously isn't completely bought and sold like 90% of our other "leaders", so their only choice is to use MSM to bring him to his knees.

[Blue_Roses]

27. Biden is one who

totally confuses me. One day he's touting one thing and the next day he's doing an about face. I like him, but his politics suck. I never know when he's going to sell us down the river.

[stickdog]

40. Biden is a bi-dem. He swings both ways. (nt)

[cry baby]

29. Maybe Dean is helping to bring those poll #s down even further.

just a thought!?!

[sandnsea]

32. The BASE took the bait

If the BASE hadn't made this an issue, Bush would be the focus. What the hell do you think the rest of us are complaining about. This is exactly what happened with the MTP interview, Dean's comments were the focus instead of the Dem agenda. Gawd, why do Deaniacs blame other people for a controversy THEY created.

Last I heard, some were saying Howard Dean was a genius to say these wild things in order to get media attention.

Swirling excuses which is vaguely familiar.

Bush tanking, Downing Street, altering government reports, altering a terrorism arrest report, Bolton, all kinds of stuff we should be focusing on besides Joe Biden saying he disagreed with Howard Dean. It's just incredibly stupid.

[Blue_Roses]

33. not sure

:wtf: you mean or if you are just venting, but a "Deaniac" I'm not and as far as:

Swirling excuses which is vaguely familiar.

Welcome to the world of politics. :D

[Must_B_Free]

35. They are trying to distract the Pavlovian dogs with meat powder.

[helderheid]

41. The Dean thing is distracting us from important work with DSM

In the meantime, the London Times has invited us to talk to them about our shitty media and we're wasting it debating over Dean. Cheney must be overjoyed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3839506&mesg_id=3839506

[Cha]

45. No! cheney is taking pot shots at Dean's

mother!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1542522&mesg_id=1542522

[ChiciB1]

43. We Can Look At It As One Of Two Ways...

First, Dean is getting a LOT of coverage.

Or, "the corrupt ones" are keeping this alive as a diversionary tactic. Nothing new here!

[BigBearJohn]

44. The Repukes are mad because Dean is slamming them at their own game!

[bunny planet]

46. Dean is the issue BECAUSE * is tanking in the polls, and some nasty

scandals are raising their ugly little heads.

[leftofthedial]

47. if you're gonna keep answering your own questions

I'm gonna stop replying to your threads . . .

[Blue_Roses]

49. hahahaha

:rofl: I know, I feel like a genius with my ability to answer my own questions...

next question will be just for you--I promise;)

[FreedomAngel82]

48. It's simple really

Because Bush is tanking in the polls! Remember they have this "liberal media" myth out there that people do believe. So if they're all attacking Dean it would seem like Bush is doing fine and has a lot of support.

[bpilgrim]

51. we got the boy born with the silver FOOT IN MOUTH who the M$MWs FAWN over

and his RABID brown-shirts trashing the place and the M$MWs are obsessed with Dean :eyes:

peace