Let's get this straight . . .

[merh]

Being against the abusive use of tasers or excessive force by law enforcement does not make someone anti-law enforcement!

Being against the war and the abuses of the war does not make someone anti-troops!

Being against the abusive use of tasers or excessive force by law enforcement does not make someone pro-criminals and does not mean that those that oppose the abuses want the police to be harmed or to work in constant danger.

Being against torture and the abuses that are going on in Iraq does not make someone anti-military and pro-terrorists. It does not mean that anyone wants the troops to be harmed or to be in danger.

As I fight for the civil rights of one, even the lowest criminal, even the most vile enemy in our custody, I fight for your civil rights. I challenge the arms of my government (police, judges, politicians) to uphold the constitution and to do their jobs. They work for me, I am a member of the public and they are public servants. They took an oath to uphold the constitution and I want them to do that, to stop making excuses for neglecting the constitution or for violating ANYONE'S rights.

Even as the misguided members of our society demand that we gain control at all costs, even as they malign me and others on this forum for standing up for our rights and against the oppression, I am struggling for the rights for the misguided and the confused, I am struggling for the rights of my political enemies. They may hate that I am vocal, they may not agree with what I post, but they should appreciate that the rights I try to protect, that I demand our government respect and protect, are their rights too!

As I oppose the war, I challenge my government to stand by and to stand up for the principles upon which this great nation was formed. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not just rights that I am entitled to, they are the rights that all that walk the face of this earth are entitled to. As I do not want another nation to force their standards, morals and religion on me, I don't believe it is our place to USE FORCE to force our standards, our morals and our religious beliefs on another people!

I don't want folks to be killed in my name, to be maimed under the guise of "spreading democracy" or to be left homeless and tattered because we claim to want to "make them safer". I don't want any more of our soldiers to die fighting illegal and immoral wars. I want my nation back and I want my civil rights and the civil rights of all protected and respected!

An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere!

:patriot:

End of :rant:

[cajones_II]

1. Thanks for saving me the trouble

Good rant

[merh]

6. Welcome to DU!

:hi: I just had to post the obvious.

Some folks think that chosing sides is the only way to survive and I don't see it that way. I know that I can be on the side of the troops and against the war, on the side of law enforcement and against abuse and excessive force. The only side I am on is the side of humanity and respect for others. If I want respect, I must give respect. If I want my rights protected, I must demand that others' rights are protected. It is because I am pro-troops that I oppose the war, it is because I am pro-law enforcement that I oppose excessive force. It is that simple!

Again, welcome.

[SharonRB]

8. Great post, merh!

[merh]

10. thanks.

:hi:

[XemaSab]

2. Amen to that

n/t

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. Wonderful post.

Well said and a deservrd kick :kick:

[uppityperson]

4. kick for a good rant

[merh]

7. Thanks.

:blush:

I love your sig! :hi:

[TahitiNut]

5. Bravo! Well said.

When anyone is deprived of their human rights and civil liberties, then everyone has lost a part of their human rights and civil liberties.

[merh]

11. Exactly!

:patriot:

[understandinglife]

9. "An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere!" In_deed.

Recommended and bookmarked. Cogent and passionate; thank you.

Peace.


Art by Emad Hajjaj; published in Al-Ghad Newspaper, Amman, Jordan



www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Please, everyone, don't stop at 500,000 signatures; don't stop at 10,000,000 signatures; don't stop until Bush and the neoconsters are indicted and prosecuted for their heinous crimes against humanity and our Constitution.

[merh]

18. thank you

:patriot: :hi:

[seabeyond]

12. amen

a 43 year old mother raising two boys in the most responsible of ways, paying taxes, business owner, citizen.

[merh]

19. And your responsibilites are so great!

Thank God you are taking them so seriously and that you will instill in your boys the love for this Nation and our constitution. Sadly, others have overlooked or forgotten the constitution, they are willing to foresake our rights for their perceived safety. Bless you for taking your responsibilities so seriously! :hug:

Your sons are blessed.

[seabeyond]

30. it would be nice to be seen as a perswon by the right

they have allowed their party to create us worse than animals. it doesnt have to be that way. it doesnt have to cause pain for repugs. they dont have to see us like that. cause that isnt who we are

total illusion

[Pithlet]

13. Great post

Arguing that a taser shouldn't have been used is NOT arguing that people should just be able to do whatever the hell they want when dealing with cops. That has been the biggest method of argument. "She should have stepped out of the car/he shouldn't have faught on the bus...." Well, no shit. That type of argument drives me up the wall! Again, thanks for posting.

[merh]

21. The police should be held to a higher standard than us

common folks. They are supposed to know the laws and they have taken an oath to uphold them and to "protect and serve". That oath does not include an asterick with the notation "protect only the innocent and not the bad guys."

Thanks for the thanks and the comments! :hi:

:patriot:

[kliljedahl]

14. Well written

Kicked & nominated


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Bouncy Ball]

15. Great post, exactly how I feel.

And btw, that's one of my favorite quotes. It's one to live by. Would that more people did....

[merh]

22. I'm with you, would that more people did ...

Thank you. :-)

[fooj]

16. Indeed!

"Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed- and no republic can survive."- JFK

Another thought...

"The citizen can bring our political and governmental institutions back to life, make them responsible and accountable and keep them honest. No one else can."-John Gardner

And another...

"We shall have to repent in this generation, not so much for the evil deeds of the wicked people, but for the appalling silence of the good people."-MLK


And finally...

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public."-Teddy Roosevelt


Peace.:patriot:

[merh]

23. Great quotes, one and all!

Thank you for adding them to the thread.

So good to see you ((((fooj)))) :hug:

[fooj]

63. Right back at (((((((you)))))))!!!

:pals: Are you out raising hell again?

[merh]

64. who me?

O8)

I'm just exercising my constitutional rights! You know what they say, exercise is essential to good health! :hippie:

:smoke:

:hi:

[fooj]

75. You go, truth warrior!

peace.:patriot:

[merh]

82. ah shucks!

:blush:

[tnlefty]

17. Thanks.

:dem:

[merh]

48. thank you

:kick:

[merh]

74. ..

...

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

20. Damn. I can only recommend once!

(kick)

[merh]

24. LOL - thank you for the nomination

and for caring so damned much! :hug:

We must continue our struggles and never give up! :patriot:

[SteveIrving1]

25. here here

:)

[bleever]

26. Very nicely said, merh. Thanks for putting it so clearly.

May the wisdom of your words ripple outward without limit.

:)

[merh]

28. Ah thanks bleever!

:blush: You have such a way with words and you are always so encouraging. :hug:

Never give up! :patriot:

[savannahana]

27. thank you, merh

nominated

:kick:

for clarity of mind with heart
and the politics of sane humanity

[merh]

31. Some times it helps to voice what is in our hearts!

:hi: thanks for the support :hug:

[Mich Otter]

29. You sound like a card carrying member of the ACLU....

great job, keep up the fight.

[merh]

32. LOL

Tree hugging, bleeding heart, civil right loving liberal!

Nice to meet you and happy to welcome you to DU! :hi:

[Mich Otter]

33. "bleeding heart"

A bleeding heart liberal??? Wouldn't you rather be a "cold hearted" Conservative?
Nope, me either. It just isn't right to be right-wing.

[merh]

34. I like that - that would be a great bumper sticker

"It isn't right to be right wing!"

[Mich Otter]

35. The bumper sticker

The bumper sticker ought to have the pic of the hooded, tortured prisoner from Abu Ghraib.

[merh]

36. That would be the perfect image.

I'll see what I can do this week. Thanks so much. :hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. Thank you!

This reminds me of Death Penalty debates. I struggle to get some people to understand that opposing the death penalty does not mean soft on crime.

[merh]

38. It's the same camp.

I'm not sure if it fear that causes them to react so poorly or what. Is it the fear of the unknown or their fear of the possibilities that makes them so aggressive? I just don't get it. :shrug:

:hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

39. Inability to think symbolically, creatively and multi-laterally.

And a laziness into which they have been indoctrinated where they are handed all of the answers from an authority and cannot draw conclusions other than those provided for them.

At least that's the case with my relatives. ;)

[merh]

40. Mine too.

:rofl: Some times I wonder about their genes. :eyes:

[Pacifist Patriot]

43. My parents were mutants.

Thank God! I can handle aunts, uncles, cousins, and a brother-in-law who are idiot fundies but I would totally lose it if my parents were too. I don't know how they escaped the clutches of that clan but I'm the offspring of two very active Democrats. *whew!*

[merh]

44. If my parents were alive, they would be conflicted.

The love of country (Dad was a WWII vet) and the love of their faith would have them so torn. Both were very liberal minded, they just would have trouble believing their nation and their prez was such a liar.

I have one sibling out of 9 that is a liberal. Family gatherings can get hairy. Thank god I smoke, gives me an excuse to escape and go outside. :silly:

BTW: I love your signature. Clarence Darrow was a great liberal and a great American. :patriot:

[AX10]

41. Justice is my ultimate goal, merh!

:patriot: :patriot:

[merh]

45. I can tell AX10!

And I am so glad that you have joined the DU community! :patriot:

[AX10]

47. I know!

:kick:

[annabanana]

42. hey merh.....

you rock
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[merh]

46. gee thanks!

:blush: I think you rock too!

DU rocks, we just have some rocky moments and some misguided and uninformed members. We have to try to enlighten them.

:patriot: I DU Believe! :patriot:

[merh]

51. kick

:kick:

[La Coliniere]

49. Hear Hear...

How right you are. It really is up to us to be vigilant in regards to the civil rights of others.

[merh]

50. Vigilant - yes, we must be vigilant.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Mnemosyne]

52. Beautiful thoughts merh!

Thank you so much for saying so well what is in our hearts !

:toast: :hi: :hug: :yourock:

:kick:

[merh]

54. Thank you.

:blush: I just thought if folks read this post they would appreciate the simple fact that standing up for our human rights, civil liberties and the constitution does not mean we are anti-the law or the troops.

Some folks have trouble appreciating the obvious. :toast:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

53. Nicely stated! Thanks very much!

[merh]

56. thank you.

:hi:

[Q]

55. Thanks...

...for posting this....about two very important issues.

The Bush totalitarianism seems to have brought about a coarsening of our society...where 'law and order' is more important than justice and humanity.

[merh]

57. They tend to forget.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land. The "law and order" folks should be joining in us in screaming that the constitution be protected at all costs. :shrug:

We have to continue to be vigilant.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. By the authority given to me by the Patriot Act, I am closing this thread

You are all under arrest for dissent.

[merh]

59. It's my nation and I'll dissent if I want, dissent if I want to!

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[Hippo_Tron]

60. You can dissent all you want when I lock you up in GITMO

You evil Terra-ist!

[merh]

61. We shall over come!

We shall overcome, we shall overcome,
We shall overcome some day
Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe we shall overcome some day

We shall all be free, we shall all be free,
We shall all be free some day
Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe we shall overcome some day

We shall live in peace, we shall live in peace,
We shall live in peace some day
Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe we shall overcome some day


:patriot: :patriot:

[lonestarnot]

62. I certainly find the recruiting ads puffing up the military as freedom

fighting when I look at the current conditions in Iraq. If they (the conditions) weren't so horrific the discription of a freedom fight would be almost laughable.

[merh]

66. The ads that concern me are those that look like video games.

They make it appear like fighting in a war is just like playing on the Xbox! :argh:

There is nothing fun or laughable about war! :cry:

[lonestarnot]

68. Well those are easy to see through. The freedom fighter thing gives

people an "ego boost," if one really believes he/she is fighting for freedom. A little more difficult to unwash from the brain propoganda than video games.

[merh]

69. But who's mind are you worried about?

Those at home that support the war or those poor guys that are recruited to fight it?

The video game ads sucker kids into signing up. It is so harmless, it's just like a game. Then they get there and learn that it ain't no game.

:mad:

I hate them both, for different reasons and for the same reasons! :argh:

[lonestarnot]

79. People who enlist to fight a war based on lies in the name

of freedom.

[merh]

83. Me too!

:cry:

[Horse with no Name]

65. I love how you think my friend

And I love even more how you can express it so eloquently.
I'm right there with you.
I just have a hard time wondering how anyone can advocate casual use of the TASER when it has killed people.

:grouphug:

[merh]

67. Anti-taser is not anti-law enforcement.

Anti-death is not anti-law enforcement or pro-civil disobedience.
Anti-war is not anti-troops or pro-terrorists.

That you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me. :cry:

Why is it that the proponets of the war and the abuses of the rights of others don't understand that? :shrug:

:blush: Thank you for the kind words. :hug:

[Tsiyu]

70. Although it's a moot action

I will be nominating...great post; it's about time someone put this into words! :yourock:

[merh]

73. Thank you.

:hi:


:patriot:

[rucky]

71. Liberals Are FOR Responsible Use of Power n/t

[merh]

72. "responsible use of power"

:thumbsup:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

76. Excellent post

[merh]

77. thank you

:blush:

[Sparkle]

78. That's a very good rant!

:thumbsup:

[merh]

80. thanks

:blush: :hi:

[merh]

81. kick

:kick:

[suffragette]

84. This needed to be said

and you said it perfectly.

[merh]

85. thank you.

And Welcome to DU! :hi:

[jody]

86. Glad to see you focus on "all civil rights" because RKBA,

the right to keep and bear arms, is a civil right in the U.S.

When a person is convicted of most felonies, they lose their civil rights including RKBA. When their civil rights are restored it includes RKBA unless the restoration explicitly excludes RKBA.

You say "I want my nation back and I want my civil rights and the civil rights of all protected and respected!" I'm glad you and I are on the same side.

:hi:

[Q]

87. Wow. Talk about entirely missing the point...

...what does the 'right to bear arms' have to do with civil rights? The answer is little or nothing.

I'm still amazed when someone bothers to mention the 2nd amendment when the rest of the Bill of Rights are practically gone.

[jody]

88. Sorry but SCOTUS has ruled that RKBA is a civil right.

The author of this thread clearly said she/he supported all civil rights and that includes RKBA.

If the author wanted to say she/he supported "only some civil rights", then she/he should amend the post with appropriate limiting statements.

[merh]

89. Hey jody

What the hell does that have to do with the subject of this thread?

Do you just come to a thread to start something? You may be stepping into more than you can handle!

No one mentioned weapons, except for those nasty weapons that cops are allowed to carry without proper training. Are you sure you want to go down this route.

Losing the right to vote and/or to bear arms does not mean a "convict" loses his other constitutional rights. If you are in law enforcement and don't know or appreciate that, I beg you to find another job.

[jody]

93. Not a disruption but an observation re your statement about supporting

"all civil rights". Your post talked about tasers at the beginning and BATF has declared tasers are firearms. Tasers are therefore subject to U.S. Code TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 44—FIREARMS. I'm sure you already knew that and that SCOTUS said RKBA is a civil right. I was surprised and delighted that you support "all civil rights".

A convicted criminal under federal law has his/her Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA) restored when his/her "civil rights have been restored under federal law, the law of the jurisdiction where the earlier proceedings were held." (see SCOTUS decision 511 U.S. 368 below)

BEECHAM v. UNITED STATES, 511 U.S. 368 (1994)
QUOTE
Petitioners can take advantage of 921(a)(20) only if their civil rights have been restored under federal law, the law of the jurisdiction where the earlier proceedings were held. The choice of law clause is logically read to apply to the exemption clause. The inquiry throughout the statutory scheme is whether the person has a qualifying conviction on his record. The choice of law clause defines the rule for determining what constitutes a conviction. Asking, under the exemption clause, whether a person's civil rights have been restored is just one step in determining whether Page II something should "be considered a conviction," a determination that, by the terms of the choice of law clause, is governed by the law of the convicting jurisdiction. That the other three items listed in the exemption clause are either always or almost always done by the jurisdiction of conviction also counsels in favor of interpreting civil rights restoration as possessing the same attribute. This statutory structure rebuts the arguments used by other Circuits to support their conclusion that the two clauses should be read separately. Moreover, even if there is no federal law procedure for restoring civil rights to federal felons, nothing in 921(a)(20) supports the assumption that Congress intended all felons to have access to all the procedures specified in the exemption clause, especially because there are many States that do not restore civil rights, either.
UNQUOTE

[merh]

98. All civil rights as defined and protected by the laws of the USofA.

The constitution being the supreme law of the land and SCOTUS being the body that intrepets the constitution and defines and protects those rights.

[Q]

90. An obvious attempt on your part...

...to disrupt this thread. Why? Do we even want to know?

By the way...the 'SCOTUS' also ruled that Bush 'won' the White House...despite losing the election.

But what does the 'right' to bear arms have to do with THIS thread? The thread author didn't single out the 2nd amendment for exclusion. You brought it up out of thin air.

As you know...the Bush Junta has no plans to screw with your guns. But they're determined to destroy the rest of the Bill of Rights and the protections against government tyranny and oppression.

Your gun is safe. You should be worried about the OTHER amendments.

[jody]

94. See my reply #93. n/t

[merh]

96. And see my reply at post 91

Don't come in here with your garbage about carrying weapons and equate that to the other rights as guaranteed by the constitution. That is one of the rights and only one - if you don't care about protecting and respecting the others, then you will see that your right as provided in the 2nd amendment will soon vanish away, to be traded for "safety".

Go out and educate yourself and come back, then we will chat.

[jody]

102. I don't understand your reply. My reply #94 was to Q's reply #90.

Are you posting both as Q and as merh?

[merh]

105. No, that is another group of slimy individuals tactics.

The come from a internet world far, far removed from reality and they use those tactics. Have you meet any of them or have you visited their world in that other reality? Just curious?

[merh]

91. FYI

THE BILL OF RIGHTS


The Amendments to the Constitution

Ratified 1791

ARTICLES IN ADDITION TO, AND AMENDMENT OF, THE CONSTITUTION OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PROPOSED BY CONGRESS, AND RATIFIED
BY THE LEGISLATURES OF THE SEVERAL STATES, PURSUANT TO THE 5th
ARTICLE OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION.

(The first 10 Amendments were ratified 15 December 1791, and
form what is known as the 'Bill of Rights'.)

AMENDMENT I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of reli-
gion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people
peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a re-
dress of grievances.

AMENDMENT II

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall
not be infringed.

AMENDMENT III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house,
without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a
manner to be prescribed by law.

AMENDMENT IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
shall not be violated; and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particu-
larly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or
things to be seized.

AMENDMENT V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand
Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in
the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public
danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to
be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled
in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without
just compensation.

AMENDMENT VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State
and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which
district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to
be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory
process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

AMENDMENT VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall
exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be
preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise
reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to
the rules of the common law.

AMENDMENT VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines im-
posed, nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted.

AMENDMENT IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall
not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
people.

AMENDMENT X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitu-
tion, nor prohibited to it by the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people.

[merh]

92. Here - explain this use of the taser away if you can.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=eveningnews

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3850481

The 2nd amendment is not the only right that matters. If you care so much about that right, you ought to care about the others, for without them, you won't be able to enjoy the 2nd! :argh:

[jody]

95. I agree with your statement "I want my civil rights and the civil rights

of all protected and respected!"

I particularly support the natural, inherent, inalienable rights acknowledged in state constitutions some of which are enumerated in the BOR and all unenumerated rights protected by the Ninth Amendment. Do you?

[merh]

97. What's your point? Mine is clearly stated in my OP.

Come on spit it out! Don't dance around the issue, be totally honest.

Tell us what is on your mind, we can discuss it and clear up any misunderstandings that exist.

My opinion is very clear, your's is the one that is clouded in mystery and distortion. Try to comprehend what is written, it will make your efforts to debate the issues that much easier.

[jody]

99. I clearly stated my point and do so once again so read very slowly.

I am surprised and delighted that you support "all civil rights" which includes RKBA.

That is a welcome change from others who say they support all civil rights but then take the hypocritical position that they oppose RKBA.

I am delighted to find that you have not adopted such a hypocritical position.

Why are you bothered by my agreeing with you?

:hi:

[Horse with no Name]

100. Nobody wants to take away your RKBA

Yet you advocate removing our right to due process? With the TASER--cops across the country are playing judge, jury, and in some cases, executioner for small and petty crimes where deadly force would have never been used previously.
If a policeman uses the TASER--he should be held to the same standards of deadly force as if he had used a 9 mm to shoot someone--including being taken off of duty for a full rigorous investigation of the incident, his file noted that he used deadly force, and whatever necessary reprimands if applicable.
Perhaps then some of these TASER happy cops would think before they zap.

[jody]

107. I don't "advocate removing our right to due process". On the contrary,

I've been an active proponent of the right to due process for a long time.

Regarding police using various weapons to defend them selves and arrest a suspect. If excessive force is used, local governments have procedures for disciplining and prosecuting an officer if excessive force is used.

What would you suggest the officer use if a suspect refuses to obey an officer?

[merh]

114. Hi Horse!

Good to see ya! :hug:

Some folks have twisted interpretations of right and wrong. That clearly stems from their belief that they are always right. :shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

115. Howdy Merh!

Nice catch

:grouphug:

[merh]

120. Oh heck. The sport is in the hunt, not the kill!

(I thought that would be appropriate for the 2nd Amendment effort to disrupt! :patriot:)

:rofl:

Have a great day! :pals:

[merh]

101. Because your rubbish about the RBKA

does not belong in this thread. Your efforts tried to prove that convicts have no right to bear arms, which has not place in this thread.

You want a thread on that, go make one.

As I said, my opinions are clearly set out in the OP. Your's were obvious, I just wanted to give you the chance to explain them. When you were called on your efforts, you now conform, yet try to belittle me with the "read very slowly" statement. Subtle, yet ineffective attempt, can't even say nice try! :hi:

[jody]

103. Why are you bothered by my agreeing with you about protecting

all civil rights?

[merh]

104. As another poster noted, that was not your intent.

Glad you have since altered your efforts and recognized that the protection of every citizens civil rights is crucial. As I protect yours, I am protecting my own. As I protect the rights of the most vile criminal, the most loathsome enemy, I protect yours.

Sure hope that you understand that the 2nd amendment is not the only right!

:hi:

[jody]

109. I stated my intent clearly in my first reply #86 to your post.

You say "Glad you have since altered your efforts and recognized that the protection of every citizens civil rights is crucial".

That is a silly assertion because I said in #86, "You say 'I want my nation back and I want my civil rights and the civil rights of all protected and respected!' I'm glad you and I are on the same side."

Goodbye and have a nice day. :hi:

[merh]

111. Hope you have a nice day too!

See ya in the taser threads as you defend the abuse with these weapons!

:hi:

[merh]

110. And you won't find a liberal that posts on DU that wants to

take away your rights to own a friggin weapon. You have been visiting other realities and believing their spins and distortions. Stay in the real world, don't go back to that place of hate and lies. You will see that liberals want to protect ALL civil liberties and constitutional rights, for EVERYBODY, not just a select few.

:hi:

[jody]

112. Sorry but visit DU's "Gun Rights & Gun Control" forum and you will

find many liberals who do want to ban all handguns and some would ban all guns.

I encourage you to visit the forum and add your insights to the RKBA discussion.

[merh]

113. No, you will find many that come to that group that may have that

view, that doesn't many it many liberals. This is a micro-cosmim, this is a society in a society and the groups are societies within that small society.

And I will let you in on a little secret. Some folks come here to post negative posts and views, in an effort to make liberals look bad. They come from that world far, far removed from reality and they really don't have much to do in this world but spread hate and lies. Pathetic little creatures and sad excuses for human beings.

All you can do is say prayers that they will have an awakening before they meet their maker. If not, well, it is the son of God that told us, "judge not lest ye be judged". I'm afraid that will have troubles with that one. :dilemma:

[Tinoire]

106. Excellent post Merh!

Boy am I happy you post here!~

:hug:

[merh]

108. Hey Tinoire!

So good to read you in the threads! :hug:

:blush: You are just too kind. :pals:

[Tinoire]

116. Naw- just honest

;)

:loveya:

[merh]

117. Speaking of honesty!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x3446491

:hug:

[Tinoire]

118. Wow. Thank you!

Ripples....

Beautiful kind ripples :hug:

[merh]

119. I am grateful.

Thank you! Wonderful, simple ripples. :loveya:

[merh]

121. kick

:kick: