YOU are being complicit in tyranny everytime you distract from it.

[Just Me]

Yes?

Prove me wrong if you can.

[swag]

1. You are the one making the assertion.

You have the burden of proof.

[tx_dem41]

3. Exactly.

[Just Me]

9. I am proposing a theory NOT a legal assertion.

I have no burden of proof. To the contrary, I WANT evidence to prove my theory is wrong. But, I won't get it. I already know that.

[swag]

12. Great.

What a productive line of discussion, then.

[Just Me]

21. It IS productive since distraction could be our GREATEST WEAKNESS.

If that isn't a productive examination, what is?

[tx_dem41]

27. Our greatest enemies are those people from within that cast stones...

at the would-be participants.

[Just Me]

30. Participants who distract from the tyranny?

What stones are you talking about? The ones that advocate an end to distracting from our common enemy? :shrug: You consider THAT stone-throwing rather an expression of wisdom and compassion? Why?

[tx_dem41]

34. Read post #22.

I'm not the only one that sees such thinking as in your OP as being detrimental to our movement. In fact, its quite an old and discredited little ideal that you THINK you just came up with.

[swag]

31. Okay, then how about this?

The "theory" is bullshit because its terms are unclear, its sole proponent offers nothing to support it, and it constitutes a non sequitur.

Now I'll get back to cooking dinner, thus supporting tyranny.

[Just Me]

36. I see that there are those who are VERY reactive to my theory.

That is what I am observing.

Now, back to reality,..ugh,...I mean,...my theory.

[swag]

37. More capitalization might convince me.

[Kellanved]

2. no, that's just you.

n/t

[tx_dem41]

4. Are you trying to say "Either you're with us or against us"?

You love that phrase, don't you? C'mon...fess up, it gives you goosebumps!

[kittenpants]

6. quit distracting me, tyrant! n/t

[tx_dem41]

10. Ahhh...you got me! Take me to the newly-installed DU Kangaroo Court...

immediately, so that I can be summarily shot without due process.

Hey, that's kind of like Abu Ghraib and Gitmo! Bet, that gives those Courtiers the goosebumps too!

[Lex]

11. LOL!

[Trajan]

5. Isnt that another variation of ...

"Your either for us, or your for the terrorists " ????

Can my children be excused to go and play frisbee instead of talking about tyranny again ?

[Bouncy Ball]

7. I was JUST dealing with the tyranny that is the bush

cabal, and THIS THREAD distracted me!

:hi:

[da_chimperor]

8. Yay! It's the discussion police!

:woohoo:

:sarcasm:

[tx_dem41]

13. Better watch it, Da_Chimperor....the newly installed Kangaroo Court..

is coming to get you.

[Just Me]

16. Oh, please. "The discussion police". GET OFF!!!

I am very serious about this point concerning "FOCUS" on a common denominator.

Why you would insult me that way, I just can NOT comprehend.

Why not discuss the issue instead of attacking me as some kind of "discussion police"?

[tx_dem41]

17. Why would you insult us that way?

That's the question.

[da_chimperor]

24. It's not an insult, it's a sarcastic remark.

This is a message board, and it really rubs me the wrong way when someone tries to say what can and can not be talked about. Not everyone can focus on a single topic for all eternity without getting burned out after a while. Not everyone on DU is a full-time activist. That, and some people are here just to educate themselves more about politics and discuss them with like-minded individuals. I hope you get my point.

Anyhow, as much as I'd like to stay and watch the ensuing melee I have two exams tomorrow and it just happens to be 2:08 am, CET and therefore bed time. Nighty night! :hi:

[peacetalksforall]

14. Yes...talk about pulling out of Guantanamo...and you avoid talking

about creating lawyerless, tormented, tortured caged non-humans whose 'bible' is urinated on or flushed down.

[Just Me]

18. You AVOID by attacking me for avoidance?

You can't even prove I avoided whatever the hell you're accusing me of.

What? :shrug: My post is too provocative for you so you attack me?

:wtf:

[tx_dem41]

20. "Provocative" isn't quite the right word. Maybe "Stalinist"..no "Bushist"

...that's it!

[Just Me]

26. Bullshit. I propose examing our weakness, as a whole, and you call me,...

,...all that bullshit!!!

Apparently, you prefer to avoid confronting anything that threatens you.

Apparently, I hit your button,...and so are those who are doing so with an intention to exploit you.

I gain NOTHING by proposing what I posted! NOTHING,...except your attention,...and the attention you are giving me benefits those who exploit all of us.

Get it?

[tx_dem41]

29. Apparently, it's not MY button that just got hit.

LOL...this is kind of entertaining.

[Just Me]

33. Your reaction is particularly interesting.

I will not characterize it as "entertaining".

[tx_dem41]

35. No....you are the one that is entertaining me.

Please, continue.

[tx_dem41]

32. Oh, I'm confronting the very thing that threatens me and our....

movement at this point in time. That's why I'm attacking what you posted.

[lenidog]

23. Technically there is nothing too attack because as it stands your post

is meaningless. What is the distraction you are talking about, is it distracting to talk about anything else but Bush and his policies on DU? Are you talking about the press with stories about Michael Jackson, Aruba Teen or the Runaway Bride? Are you talking about us actually worrying about others things like friends, families, jobs etc and not devoting our lives 24/7 to getting rid of Bush? Your post has nothing to attack because at the moment it is a very grand generalization.

[Just Me]

39. Which drew the attention of a notable few.

Notice? }(

What can I say: I am enticing. I just can't HELP myself.

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. That sounds rather like you're accusing yourself

of being flamebait.

Define 'distraction' for us.

[Just Me]

42. Okay. I am guilty of pushing people into self-confrontation.

Cuff me. Shut me up and down.

I am the kind of "flamebait" that is particularly dangerous to denial and rationalization and other modes of self-deception.

I am just so bad and so evil and so wrong in being so confrontational.

Yep. Yeah,...that would be "Just Me". I am "bad". }(

[peacetalksforall]

28. Next time I will refrain from replying to a post that omits the argument

and supporting case for the premise.

I thought I was agreeing with you. What are you talking about?

Isn't the tyranny you are referring to, the tyranny of this administration?

If not...I'm lost and I should just delete my message. I wasn't attacking you, I thought I was agreeing with you and providing an example.

You've lost me. Maybe I should delete my message and bow out of this thread?

[lenidog]

15. Basically are you saying that if we talk about anything but politics

then we are aiding tyranny?

[Check12]

19. Slight change..

YOU are being complicit in tyranny everytime you DEFEND it.

You hear that, sean fucking hannity, pat roberston, james dobson?

[the_spectator]

22. Whoa - nice line! How about this one?

"Without, all the tyrants encircle you; within, all tyranny's friends conspire. We must smother the internal and external enemies of the Republic or perish with it; now in this situation, the first maxim of your policy ought to be to lead the people by reason and the people's enemies by terror."

[tx_dem41]

25. Robespierre....you nailed it.

Spent half the day making the comparison. Thanks for chiming in. :)

[Ian David]

38. Damn. I'm going to have to drop out of my Dungeons & Dragons group?

[swag]

40. Being who we are,

taking joy and strength from love, life, art, beauty, sex, whatever, doesn't mean victory for tyrants. It means tyrants haven't yet taken away who we are and what we consider important in life. And we are stronger and any tyrants are weaker for that.


Ask Milan Kundera. Ask Vaclav Havel, et al. ad infinitum.