Instead of Biden stumping for a Draft, why isn't he pushing the DSM?

[Postman]

as a starting block to open an investigation that leads to impeachment.

I know its all repub, all the time - but instead of talking about a Draft -- which would erase any idea of a Democrat holding public office again, he should be screaming from the rooftops of the illegality of this war and HOW HE WAS DUPED INTO VOTING FOR IT.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

[kliljedahl]

1. Just doesn't have any "Joementum"

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[seabeyond]

2. from what i understand he wasnt STUMPING for the draft

and your post is suggesting something that didnt happen. he stated as things are it will come up, per another thread that suggest biden called for the draft. he didnt

[Postman]

4. I stand corrected. Would Biden vote for a Draft? Answer - Yes

n/t

[seabeyond]

5. did he say he would

you go from implying something that isnt, to spectulating about something that hasnt. hm.....

[Postman]

I don't trust him. He leans toward the idea that Iraq is salvagable...

And has been strangely silent when it comes to being hoodwinked at voting for a war based on lies.

More dead kids in Iraq is not the answer.

[seabeyond]

9. i agree, but i dont like ot make up stories as facts.

i agree more dead kids isnt the answer

[Postman]

14. I guess I should get a job with Fox News.

Gimme a break, they're opinions.

[uppityperson]

11. Exactly, he said it would be a topic which it is.

He's not ignoring the elephant, hoping it will go away, but acknowledging the fact that the draft issue will come up. Soon.

[RBHam]

3. Biden is a New World Order booster.

What do you expect?

[KoKo]

6. Because Biden is all about "Him" and those two sons he's paving way

for in politics. He's thinking that the "Biden Family" will be the NEW DEM AMERICAN Dynasty...

And, Biden has always been the ultimate opportunist. He put's his hair plugs into the wind to catch "the drift." :shrug:

Gotta add that if anyone did a count of which Dems got the most exposure on the Sunday Pundits/Talking Heads Shows...I'll bet Biden and Hagel win the count. :shrug:

Are there no other Dem Reps but Biden?

[AX10]

20. You are telling me that the Biden's are going to replace the Kennedy's?

:wtf:?

That's just a "fall from grace" onto the concrete a hundred stories below.

:argh:

[flordehinojos]

7. i don't like biden.

it is difficult for me to believe him when he says, HE BELIEVED GWB when bush assured him that he would not go to war in Iraq unless (I forget what was the unless), and then, after Bush went to war Biden says that he was, "lied to" ...but,
how many of us knew bush to be a liar? how many of us knew bush was lying through his teeth, and how many of us saw through colin powell's presentation at the U.N. and saw that, that, was another lie?
How come a SENATOR like Biden, who is supposed to be so sharp, couldn't tell that he was being lied to? It boggles my mind!

[Postman]

8. Because he's dishonest. He knew, he knew.

if we here on the DU board knew, he knew.

[flordehinojos]

12. dishonest? YES! Do you remember when once upon a time he was stopped from

running for the presidency because of a matter of his having plagiarized something when he was in graduate school... i can't recall exactly what it was he plagiarized, but he didn't admit it until he was confronted with it, way back then, on one of his first runs for the presidency of the U.S.A. and that stopped his run dead cold on its track back then.
it doesn't seem to matter these days, if he is thinking about running again, and again, and again.

[chaumont58]

22. He plagarized from a noted British politician,

I think the guy's name was Kinnock, but I'm old enough not to trust my memory too much.

[flordehinojos]

23. as you see,

my memory and yours seem to be running on a parallel track!

:)

[KharmaTrain]

10. The Draft Hits Home Far More Than A Foreign Memo

I have met Democrats who still have their doubts about the DSM since it's from a foreign source rather than having been exposed by the Washington Post or New York Times. But remember, the Pentagon Papers...the DSM of the Vietnam War, became public in 1970...it led Nixon to try to ruin Dr. Daniel Elsberg...and later came back to haunt him during impeachment.

The draft however is starting to get people's attention. Recent stories of the military not making its quotas and the on-going rumbles about stop-loss and extended stays is moving the issue of a draft from something Charlie Rangel used to bait Repugnicans into something that looks inevitable if this quamire in Iraq and other adventures continue.

Right now, this invasion is still nothing more than a TV show for most. Many have no contact with anyone who served in this mess (or are afraid to really talk about the horrors they've seen since they will/can be called back and don't want any words to follow them) or have seen one of the thousands of wounded that are being hidden in our VA hospitals then flushed out the back door.

The Draft is Bunnypant's "read my lips". He promised there wouldn't be one next year...and if there is, it's gonna blow back on his own party as these people have been fed the lies about our military superiority and the "lies of the libruls" of how poorly things are going. Instituting a draft admits things are going bad and cements this as a war of occupation rather than liberation.

As the father of a soon-to-be 18 year old son, I fear what I see going on, but I applauded Rangel's call for a no-holes bared draft if we're gonna play world's policeman and that there are NO exemptions! This madness won't end until enough people in this country feel it and can directly point to this regime and Repugnicans as the cause.

[Postman]

13. I understand your point, however, more death to make the point, is crazy.

Declare victory and just get the hell out of Iraq

[KharmaTrain]

16. Do You Expect This Regime To Do That?

This regime that has yet to accept any responsibility for anything they've done wrong? Cutting and running would be political suicide for not just this regime but the Repugnican party. As long as they control the government and the purse-string, they are gonna keep this insane invasion/occupation going until all the oil is drained from underneath that desert. To save lives it's time to force their hand!

One more death in that stinkpit is one death too many, but expecting this regime to do a 180 is as crazy as the impeachment chatter around here. Instead, let's shine the light on the carnage from the direction of the human life it already has cost and will...the only way that will happen is when Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Faux Viewer gets the war right in their own living room...including the caseket, if that's what it'll take.

I had hoped we had learned from Vietnam we couldn't be the world's policeman and no matter how "sophisticated" our military is, you can't force a military solution on people who don't want your "help".

[H2O Man]

15. I have mixed feelings about him.

However, I can not say the same for either the draft, the DSM, or the need to end the American war in Iraq. And I am not going to invest a nickel in anyone who suggests the draft might be necessary, much less a good thing; I can't respect any member of conress (house or senate) who does not push for a formal investigation of the DSM; and I will support any candidate, including from a 3rd or 4th party, who runs on a platform opposing any candidate supporting a continued US presence in Iraq.

I am a democrat. But I'll give $$$, invest time, and vote for the politicians who most forcefully oppose the Cheney/Bush occupation of Iraq.

[cestpaspossible]

17. Maybe he's taken a bribe from the Republicans to torpedo the Dems.

these things do happen

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Because he's a NeoCon in Dem clothing.

[shadowknows69]

19. uh....republican double agent like liberman?

[fla nocount]

21. Don't forget Zell....he didn't get an Anthrax letter either. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. Perhaps Charlie Rangel put him up to it

:shrug: