Kansas City Star explains DLC reluctance re DSM!!

[annabanana]

Buried in this article are the following paragraphs:

As yet, however, there's no sign that the memo will politically embarrass the GOP. None of the likely 2008 Democratic presidential contenders - Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Evan Bayh, John Edwards - have made it a cause celebre. The most prominent critic is in the House, where Democrats are virtually powerless, but where Michigan Democrat John Conyers plans to conduct a public forum Thursday, with interest stoked by a grass-roots Web site called afterdowningstreet.org.

Party strategist David Axelrod explained the Democratic wariness: "We already fought that battle (over Bush's veracity) and we lost. He got elected again. So even though the memo is important, there's a sense that people don't want to revisit the lead-up to war. Although I'm not sure I agree with that, when you look at the number of Americans dead today."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/11877957.htm

I believe that Mr Axelrod, and our prominent friends mentioned above, should hear from us.....

[LightningFlash]

1. Hear from us!????

These spineless cowards should be raising the entire roof!!!! WOW, I'm shocked when republican congress and senators even attack this issue, and not any of the high level democrats do anything. This is just beyond insane. It should be pushed into the floor just like the media!

The media ignored it, and now the DNC is ignoring it besides Howard. That's just bullcrap and I say plague them with calls. :mad: :mad:

[liberal N proud]

4. No one on the left side of the isle wants to look like the fools

who chased Clinton in the 90's.
They want to show the nation that this is not how congress works.

I agree they should be raising the roof and demanding some answers, none of which they will get from this regime, but they should demand them anyway and make sure it is in the open and conducted in a appropriate forum so as to demonstrate the civility of the Democrats

[AllyCat]

22. It's starting to feel like an isle isn't it?

Remarks prompted by the appropriateness of your typo. Thanks for the chuckle;)

[Jon8503]

5. The leaders in the democractic party are so lame. They jump

all over Howard Dean instead of backing him, staying united and atacking on something like this.

We have leadership that obviously mislead, lied, however you want to put it and gave us Iraq causing uknbelievable misery, death and destruction. This does not warrant a debate or investigation.

They are spineless. Howard Dean is the only one with balls.

Did't the republicans say we were the party of non-christians basically. I did not see any criticism of that remark.

Nominated for the greatest page.

We need to let them know our thoughts on this.

[LightningFlash]

8. Oh my god you are right....

I literally detest our DINO leaders much worse than these fascists. And why not? They're the ones letting them get away with all of this BS. Why can't Ralph Nader, Howard Dean, Harry Reid and all the ones with backbone fly into the face of the DNC leadership and get them to grow a pair of damn balls???!??

They are far worse than anything else, because instead of upholding the constitution, they are going along with absolute disgusting and destructive fascist based lies. They're letting religious nutjob extremists trample all over everything including the damn bill of rights and our civil rights as people. It's freaking appalling.

I think this whole place may need a purge, a purge of all the democrats in name only.
:mad: :mad: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[aquart]

2. Axelrod is an idiot. Real simple.

[annabanana]

3. Does anyone have contact info for Alexrod?

I KNOW how to contact Clinton, Kerry, Bayh and Edwards....

[salin]

6. er... except the value, Mr. Axelrod, is that it calls

every utterance of Bush into question. It establishes, in the mind of the public, a big question about each policy being pushed by the WH down congress's throat.

The whole climate change report - that it was fixed by a non-scientist - followed by a resignation (these guys don't resign - they arrogantly flaunt their ability to keep rising in the WH ranks) - is part of the problem facing the admin due to a growing veracity problem that NOW the public is beginning to recognize.

It helps us in Congress - highlighting the differences between the parties and what they are doing with/to the public trust. THAT is important in 2006.

It should be pointed out .... while simultaneously getting an alternative vision of our future. Two prongs - convey the image of liars for power, willy nilly risking Americans lives for political gain - vs. an vision of a more economically secure America - an image based on HOPE on WHO WE ARE and contrast that to the FEAR being sold on the other side.

[KG]

7. the DLC was pro-invasion and is now pro-occupation.

really, folks need to stop looking to the dem party leadership for help on important social issues.

[SemperEadem]

29. I dare say Cheney the Dick has thrown a few of the DLCers

some bone splinters with Halliburton payoffs if they won't oppose the agenda.

Follow the money. Those guys vote in their economic interests.

[PATRICK]

9. "there's a sense"

of smell that the DLC is chasing its own brown tail, wringing its own sweaty palms and saying because people can't get access to the memo because of our GOP masters, the people don't care about what they haven't had a chance to react to.

Axelrod sounds a lot like he deserves the axe. "We" fought the battle over Bush's veracity? Like the mike at the debates?sue?like anything? Like the Gannon story Daschle couldn't possibly find a way of bringing up?

There's a sense that Axelrod doesn't know the meaning of any word except surrender(in advance). Wormtongue. Traitor? There's a sense of that too among the people of the party.

The Democratic wariness. What Democrats would those be exactly? The Chairman?

[Spazito]

10. I have to say, looking from north of the border,...

I don't understand why all the key Senators aren't speaking out loudly about the contents of the DSM, as well as the other leaked Downing Street documents. They, too, should, at the very least, be publicly supporting Conyers and all the House signatories in their demand for an explanation from the White House.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. Has CBC been running the DSM story? Or any Canadian papers??

I must confess I haven't kept up with CBC News lately :( Just wondering if the story's getting any airplay north of the border

[Spazito]

17. Yes, we have had coverage on both the DSM and the document

that was covered in the Sunday Times on Friday. Unfortunately they have taken the slant of the US media on the recent document and focused on the 'lack of planning' part and have ignored the 'legality' part that is the focus of the Sunday Times article.

It has not been a major focus but it has been covered for sure.

Some examples:

British memo queried U.S. post-war planning on Iraq

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/12/memo-050612.html

U.S. news media told it disregarded 'smoking gun' on Iraq

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050609/MEDIA09/TPInternational/Americas

[AllyCat]

26. Still a joke, but better than we got here.

Thanks for keeping us informed.

[HootieMcBoob]

11. Idiots

:mad:

[Oversea Visitor]

12. Have Boxer

Make any comments so far. :evilgrin:

[dennis4868]

13. Nixon and his cronies....

broke into the watergate hotel before the election that he won yet he resigned before he was going to be impeached and convicted after he started his second term....this guy makes no sense. Basically, he is saying that Bush committed a crime in office but since Bush was able to cover it up so well before the election and won that we should just leave him alone....my god what has happened to our democracy?

[Oversea Visitor]

14. Got Bushwhack in 2000

:evilgrin:

[JHB]

16. When did they "fight that battle" (over Bush's veracity)?

I may have heard a random firecracker from the direction of the DLC, but never anything with the force they turned against, say, Dean.

But then, flitting from one "attack" to another is DLC SOP, and we all know how well it's worked these past few elections.

Make a principled attack, Mr. Axelrod, and sustain it. Without a sustained attack they know they can fend anything off by just shovelling enough horseshit. Sustain the attack and bury them with their own words.

[TWiley]

18. You remember, that is when Edwards lovingly said "Da Da"

as he looked into the eyes of George Bush. That was the "battle" plan of the last election.

I cannot understand how harshly they attacked Howard Dean for speaking the truth while keeping their noses buried deep in GOP Ass.

The Clinton's chumming around with the bushtapo is revolting. These folks squandered the major cash and effort put into the party from the grass roots this past election cycle.

Furthermore, these stupid bastards believe that the best evidence of opposition is none whatsoever. Also, that the best way to voice dissent is to kiss a little more GOP Ass.

This topic always gets me steamed. If anyone was defeat-able, that fool on the hill was. Bush was lucky that the real dumb-asses in the last election were the strategists on our side.

[AllyCat]

25. You have to wonder how the DNC was unable to defeat the worst

president ever. This guy should have had his bags packed within hours of the polls opening. The ballot boxes might have been rigged, but I know that many here as well as on other boards warned them until we were blue in the face. And then Kerry/Edwards just lied down the day after the "election" and handed the job back to the War Criminal. Unbelieveable.

How did it happen? Same stuff going on today. DLC and party planners just try to maintain the status quo.

Who pays? Every single American. Troops in Iraq/Afghanistan and their families pay exponentially to say nothing of the poor Iraqi people.

[TWiley]

32. Absolutely. We share the burden of the bushtapo's sins

worldwide because we dropped the ball during the last election. Our negligence has made us complicit.

They squandered our cash and our effort. Now they attack one of our own for speaking the truth.

[JHB]

31. Funny you should mention that -- Axelrod worked for Edwards

Led by David Axelrod, John Kupper and David Plouffe, our team of seasoned professionals has worked with candidates across the country to produce clear and consistent messages.

This approach has helped our clients to victories from coast-to-coast, at the polls and in legislative chambers.

Among its clients have been John Edwards for President; Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (DSCC); Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa; NY Attorney General Eliot Spitzer; and the mayors of many of America’s largest cities.
http://www.akpmedia.com/ourHistory/index.html

"clear and consistent messages"?

Apparently those are just buzz words for him, because a "clear and consistent message" is the very thing he's rejecting.

[TWiley]

33. You are absolutely right !

It is so refreshing to hear a like minded voice, even on this message board. The notion of "republican light" has become way too popular for my taste. We need to define the values of our party, and not stand by and let the republi-cruds do it for us.

There is a problem with being too passive when dealing with the likes of these thugs. It is almost like half our party suffers from "Patty Hearst Syndrome" or something.

[LyleNews]

24. Axelrod's An A-Hole

He is a prime example of why we are looking in from the "outside". Where was he when the Ohio Scam should have been invesigated? He shows that the D L C doesn't have the guts to get in and get their nose bloodied...Why the hell do they keep asking for our money to support them when they won't stand up for themselves?

[Al-CIAda]

19. Good lord, what a fucking pathetic excuse. n/t

[depakid]

20. Party "strategist"

That should tell you all you need to know....

These so called "strategists" ought to be called "saboteurs," because that's what they really are. Very few of them have even a lick of sense- as evidenced by the outcomes of the last 6 elections....

Guys like Axelrod are basically part of the same bunch that told Kerry to "take the high road" stop "bush bashing" and quit fighting back in July and August.

ANYONE who listens to them is likely to lose- that's just a fact. In most businesses- a lousy track record means that you don't get hired again- or at the very least your so called "strategy" isn't employed over and over. Seems like the Dems have a lot to learn from the business world....

[helderheid]

21. holy fuck

He was elected. Sit down and shut up like good little children.


fuck that

Besides, he didn't get elected.

http://www.udpc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Has anyone communicated with

Cleaver - the US Congressman who represents Kansas City? Is he an ally of Conyers?

[LyleNews]

27. I don't know if you remember Cleaver as Mayor of KC....

You have a better chance of winning the lottery than to expect Emanual Cleaver to speak out on anything before it's tested by a focus group.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Oh yeah I remember

I live in KC. I am not a Cleaver fan. I was just wondering if he had hooked up with Conyers, who may be a positive influence on him.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. I think so too

And that doesn't mean you stop fighting!!! Bush didn't win he stole it. There's a difference!