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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:15 AM
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What if...Bush's Impeachment goes through
I've been really putting quite a bit of thought into the possibility (hope) that this guy gets it.

Whats to ensure that Cheney does not step up when Bush is thrown out? Is it possible to get an entire administration thrown out of office?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:21 AM
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1. I don't want impeachment. I want to win back congress in 2006.
Our goal should not necessarily be the impeachment of *. (Remember that Spiro Agnew had already resigned and been replaced by Gerald Ford prior to Nixon's resignation.) After all, we don't want President Cheney and VP Rice or President Hastert and VP Frist or, God forbid, President Rice. There is a chain of succession to the presidency. We couldn't totally get rid of the administration.

Our goal should be to take back congress in 2006 and to win the presidency in 2008.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:24 AM
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2. Yeah, I have been all "Impeach Bush" but lately
have been putting more thought into the implications if such a thing were to happen, President Dick *shudder*.

Man I don't know if I can wait till 2008 to dump this administration.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:49 AM
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24. You already have Prez Dicky!
He is the one in charge there. Why do you think he has an office in the west wing?
It is also why it was not important to tell bu$h when the airplane alert was being staged. I wouldn't doubt that is why he was on a hike in the first place, so they could stage the fly by without him.

Maybe the one that needs to be impeached in the VP
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:08 AM
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35. The whole administration conspired to defraud congress,...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 11:09 AM by Just Me
,...and the American people. Each is guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors" in addition to violation of numerous federal laws, war crimes and violations against humanity. The entire neoCON crew were involved and they ALL would be prosecuted for their part in this conspiracy.

PROSECUTION SHOULD HAPPEN BEFORE THEY ENGAGE US IN ANOTHER WAR. Otherwise, they will assert a form of power that no one can stop.

If another terrorist attack takes place, the consequences will be martial law and another war. They will be unstoppable.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:34 PM
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64. Are you going to get control of the voting machines before 2006?....
Because that is the ONLY way the NeoCons will be removed from office via the voting process.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:58 AM
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81. We are working on this
in New Mexico, our Secretary of State is a Dino and accepted contributions from Sequoia, machine that drops votes entered in Spanish (NM has one or the largest Spanish speaking voter population and we don't know, but have a sneaking suspession it drops Native American votes as well). We don't have much time, as she might make her decision by July 1 or so. Also Dean said we are going to get a report some, in 10 days or so!
Contact your State Secretary of State ask questions on voting machines, what kind and version of software.
Only 2 types of voting are good so far: paper ballots or scanneres that drop the scanned paper ballot into its box, if there is a dispute, you open the box and count the scanned paper ballots!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:05 PM
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74. What!? How about this scenario:
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 04:10 PM by yodermon
1 - Talk up impeachment, running up to 2006.
2 - We take back house & senate in 2006.
3 - We elect a Dem Speaker of the House in Jan. 2007.
4 - Bush AND Cheney are impeached and convicted in 2007.
4 - Dem SotH becomes President by succession rules.


President Pelosi??


What am I missing?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:10 PM
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75. Perhaps
. . . the difficulty of retaking a majority of the Senate; it won't even be possible to get a two-thirds majority.
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WI Independent Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:41 PM
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76. It'll never happen...
As soon as it looked like there was a serious chance of both being impeached Cheney would resign, probably citing "health reasons", and Bush would appoint a new VP... someone uninvolved in any impeachable incidents.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 05:51 PM
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77. That's giving them credit for not being selfish and egotisitical
But the fact is that they are selfish and egotisitical.
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WI Independent Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:20 PM
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78. True, but...
There will be a LOT of pressure to keep an (R) in the oval office from the party and corporate sponsers. I seriously doubt we'll see a (D) in there before 08.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:54 AM
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84. Pressure or not
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 11:02 AM by Jack Rabbit
The charges are war crimes, not getting a blow job. The charges don't merely reflect Bush, but his entire regime. We shouldn't be talking about impeaching Bush alone; we should be talking about impeaching Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Gonzales and then putting them on trial either in a federal court charged with violating the War Crimes Act of 1996 or before an international tribunal charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity.

They lied about the reasons for invading Iraq and they knew they were lying. They knew Saddam posed no threat. This is an unjustified war of aggression whose purpose is colonial and has nothing to do with national security. The invasion of Iraq is a war crime on its face.

In addition, the war on terror has precipitated violations of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The memoranda prepared by Alberto Gonzales, then White House Council, contains legal reasoning so spurious as not to be taken seriously. By placing the President above any law (nonsense to begin with) and dismissing the Geneva Conventions as "quaint", Mr. Gonzales set out not to advise Mr. Bush on what he could and couldn't do but to justify to Mr. Bush what he planned to do. He did nothing more than tell a tyrant what the tyrant wanted to hear. For this reason, Gonzales and the team of lawyers who prepared these memoranda should be charged with crimes against humanity.

An international tribunal should only become involved if the United States government is unable or unwilling to charge and make a good faith effort to prosecute those responsible for these crimes. Therefore, the failure of the House of Representatives to impeach and the Senate to remove from office Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and three of the four top cabinet officers should be a signal that the time has come to convene an international tribunal for war crimes in Iraq and in US detention facilities throughout the world.

This would probably not result in the immediate apprehension and prosecution of suspected war criminals -- the list of which is much longer than the five named in this post -- but it would formally brand them as international pariahs. Worldwide pressure in the form of diplomatic and economic sanctions would be imposed until justice is done. It would put an end to the neoconservatives' ability to conduct their shady business as usual.

Bush and the neoconservatives may have declared war on terrorism rhetorically, but in fact they declared war on the entire rest of the world and should reap what they have sown. For my part, I'm part of the world, not part of Bush's inner circle of advisers or one of his corporate sponsors. They are conspiring to kill your children and mine in order to pick our pockets. They came to power through electoral fraud and judicial manipulation; no American owes these people any allegiance. Should agents of Interpol come to take them away, I, for one, will not lift a finger in their defense and, if necessary, will even assist in their apprehension.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:13 AM
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82. "What am I missing?"
The fact that there is no way in hell that Republicans will vote in Congress to put in a Democrat as President.
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stubertmcfly Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:24 AM
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3. impeachment is nothing...
...i want prosecutions.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:26 AM
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4. exactly
Heck, I'd keep GITMO open just to be able to send these phuckers there for the rest of their lives, maybe even setup a web cam for folks in the world (espicially Middle East) to be able to watch them whither away.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:41 AM
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21. lol-- put Bush in a cell with nothing to wear...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 10:42 AM by mike_c
...but Saddam's old jockey shorts and set up a 24 hr web cam. I don't know whether to :rofl: or :puke: !
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:44 AM
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22. oh man lol, Bush would have to keep pulling them up lol
:puke:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:23 AM
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41. ....add to your last sentence
...whither away...in their underwear.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:07 AM
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34. Handcuffs and orange jumpsuits!
Shown on National TV! Mug Shots! I want to see Mug Shots too! I want every one of their asses tried at the Hague. :grr: They're all war criminals and must pay for the destruction they wreaked!
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:27 AM
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5. Can I get a hit of whatever you're smoking? n/t
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:29 AM
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9. not anymore thanks to the Supreme Court =P...lol eom
...
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:28 AM
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6.  I have to say that if we can impeach **, we should...
I find it funny that Dems can STILL consider Cheney to be the worse of the two...It completely misses the point of living in the US for the past five years. W is no better/worse for the country than President Cheney.

We already have President Cheney, folks. He runs things behind the scenes, and ** is the "friendly face" that sells the public snake oil. Impeachment would remove the friendly face and expose the truth to many more Americans.

The public has a very unfavorable view of Cheney since he gives off that "Darth Vader" aura. Let him be the face of the Republican Party for 2006 and beyond...I guarantee a dem sweep after a few years of this shit with Cheney up top.

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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:38 AM
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14. Yeah its not a Dick being worse of the two
Its just that I don't want us to rid get of Bush alone, I want to see the whole thing gone. Impeachment would be nice but it wouldn't really do anything except put a blemish on their agenda. But otherwise if Dick steps up nothings really changed.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:49 AM
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25. I totally agree with you...it would be preferable to get them all out...
but I meant that we cannot get worried about "only" taking Bush down if it meant President Cheney for three years.

Taking down a sitting president and watching the stupid-ass Reps keep Cheney would make our job much easier in 2006 and 2008, for the reasons I stated.

I disagree that "nothing" would have changed were we to get Bush removed from office...even if a load of last-second pardons exonerate the entire criminal bunch, a truly left-of-center Dem in 2008 would turn them over to the Hague on their first day. Without Bush there to sell the policies, Cheney would be impotent.

I suspect that if it ever got to the point where we KNEW we could successfully prosecute the impeachment of Bush, Cheney would probably step aside...especially if we uncovered enough LIHOP evidence on 9/11. The LAST thing the Reps need is a widespread understanding of what actually happened on 9/11. That would be the end of the Republican party IMO.

I suppose that, worst case scenario, if Cheney stays in office, we could impeach him too if we have the evidence. Then we'd have President Hastert, which, although I don't like the man one bit, would be a million times better than the assholes we've got now.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:13 AM
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37. The latest little Gitmo confusion between Cheney and Bush will be
very telling. Bush says he would "consider" closing Gitmo. Cheney says we have no plans to close Gitmo.

Anyone want to bet that the final decision will be to keep Gitmo open?

Cheney rules and the chimp is a puppet. The chimp "thinks" he's in charge, but he's completely manipulatable because he's so damn ignorant.

However, if the idiot-in-chief goes down, I certainly hope Cheney goes with him!
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:29 AM
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42. I think we already have the answer to your question...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0111-02.htm

snip

"The former treasury secretary accuses Vice President Dick Cheney of not being an honest broker, but, with a handful of others, part of "a praetorian guard that encircled the president" to block out contrary views. "This is the way Dick likes it," says O’Neill."

more

"He says everyone expected Mr. Bush to rubber stamp the plan under discussion: a big new tax cut. But, according to Suskind, the president was perhaps having second thoughts about cutting taxes again, and was uncharacteristically engaged.

“He asks, ‘Haven't we already given money to rich people? This second tax cut's gonna do it again,’” says Suskind.

“He says, ‘Didn’t we already, why are we doing it again?’” Now, his advisers, they say, ‘Well Mr. President, the upper class, they're the entrepreneurs. That's the standard response.’ And the president kind of goes, ‘OK.’ That's their response. And then, he comes back to it again. ‘Well, shouldn't we be giving money to the middle, won't people be able to say, ‘You did it once, and then you did it twice, and what was it good for?’"

But according to the transcript, White House political advisor Karl Rove jumped in.

“Karl Rove is saying to the president, a kind of mantra. ‘Stick to principle. Stick to principle.’ He says it over and over again,” says Suskind. “Don’t waver.” "

Then they pass another huge tax cut for the wealthy.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:10 PM
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58. Interesting
So Bush is nothing but a puppet after all. I wonder if he even wanted to be in politics in the first place. Sounds like Cheney and Rove run the show.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:47 PM
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65. I can't remember where I read this, but...
Rove had to convince Bush to run for the presidency...he really was happy in Texas and had no interest in the WH.

Maybe somebody else has a source for that and would like to post it? :)
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:28 AM
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7. Its impeachment of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION!
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 10:30 AM by Nabia2004
An investigation would take them all down.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:14 AM
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38. I HOPE SO!!!!
:hi:
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:28 AM
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8. cheney is in charge, so axing bush isn't enough, the whole klan must go
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:38 AM
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15. President Hastert probably wouldn't mind
He is next in line after Cheney.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:46 AM
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23. if it ever gets that far...
...Hastert will have to ask permission from the secetaries before sitting in the Oval Office chairs. He will be nothing but a caretaker executive keeping the seat dusted off until an elected president is installed.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:05 AM
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32. No, he is in line before the Cabinet Secretaries
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:38 AM
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43. I meant the *office staff*, as in the folks who answer the phones...
...type the letters, and tell the lamest duck president in history to STFU and keep his feet off the furniture.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:55 AM
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46. Exactly-THEY ALL HAVE GOT TO GO!
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:29 AM
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10. Cheney will not get installed...
He'd go down too as would Rumsfeld and the clique cult. But nobody's getting 2006 until there is a verified paper BALLOT.

Just remember to really, truly give your all to fix this broken election system. http://www.votersunite.org


This country is on a long road back from hell and trust me, it was easier to fix this by letting the fundamentalists wipe eachother out. They're crazy enough nobody needs to help them. :eyes:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:35 AM
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11. IF impeachment is ever seriously considered in the House...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 10:37 AM by mike_c
...I'll bet this is where the real battle will be fought. If Bush's crimes become so obvious that congressional dems feel confident enough to act, I'll bet that House repugs will be unable to maintain sufficiently closed ranks. If the rest of the country sees him for a war criminal, many House repugs will be reluctant to stand with him. The mighty fall HARD. Also, despite their rabid support for Bush, many of them MUST realize that he is in fact the Dim Son and, if push really came to shove, he's expendable if burning him will generate sufficient political capital, i.e. "see, the system works-- we impeached the war criminal Bush, now let's get back to the serious business of arse-porking the poor and middle class on behalf of our corporate masters."

Losing the neo-con administration altogether is another matter, especially for the repig leadership. Their fortunes are directly tied to the administrations'. Their agenda is supported by the administration. They could probably isolate themselves from Bush if necessary, but only if their power-from-above remains intact.

They might get caught in a crossfire of Bush's making. This administration has been astoundingly closed and lockstep-- any who broke ranks were promptly discarded and replaced by sycophants. That might be the mistake that pulls the rug out from under them all. It will be difficult to let Bush be painted with the guilty brush without making a mess all over the administration. Watch for Cheney or the various cabinet members to begin distancing themselves from Bush-- if that happens, it will likely be to preserve the radical neo-con hold on power in the event that Bush is made to answer for all of their sins.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:36 AM
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12. We need to drive a stake through crashcart's black heart
first before anything, then we can speak of impeachment, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that.
I want the whole evil bunch, down to the fucking chamber maids and dishwashers brought up on charges.
Charges that will insure they'll never again see the light of a free day.
That's how much I hate these evil bastards.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:37 AM
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13. Nope, it's not.
They'd have to be taken out one-by-one. Speaker of the House is next. Besides, while President Cheney was waiting for his impeachment, he could appoint another hard righter.

You've got to win elections, not dream of impeachment.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:39 AM
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17. Coming to that realization (winning elections not dream of impeachment)
man that sucks lol
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:00 PM
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47. Our side WON the last 2 elections!
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 12:03 PM by TheGoldenRule
and those f-ckers stole everything! Impeachment is the only way to expose their lies and corruption! Once the majority of the population knows everything that those bastards have done, then there WILL be hell to pay for the * regime! :grr:
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:11 PM
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48. I think you are fantasizing.
But if you think you can PROVE it, and by that I mean to the public's satisfaction, not just us here on DU, go ahead. I'm rooting for you. I just don't think we won, I think we got out ass creamed in 2004. So I think you are wasting your time. But it's your time.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:19 PM
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50. I'm not the only one on DU who believes that....
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 12:26 PM by TheGoldenRule
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:27 PM
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52. Yes, indeed I have,
and I think all of you need a reality check. But, then again, I don't have a better idea. I only want to concentrate on winning elections.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:39 PM
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54. Reality is my mantra...
It's not wishful thinking at all that makes me believe that the election was stolen. I added a link to my previous post which links to a post by Truth is All in the 2004 Election Forum. There is plenty of proof in that forum as well as other sources I've read that tells me that the Corporate Media and the * Regime pulled a fast one on the entire country because they knew that people are too complacent or too stressed as well as too busy to try and uncover the truth.

Frankly, I think it's a head in the sand attitude that makes people think it's not possible. The truth is not always pretty and can be very frightening to some-so now who's being more realistic? :shrug:

Maybe we should agree to disagree.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:45 PM
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55. I agree.
I've read most of the "proof", and find it extremely unconvincing. You don't. But it will go nowhere, IMO. You keep trying, though. I've been wrong before.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:13 PM
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59. I don't want to be right just so you will be wrong...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 01:22 PM by TheGoldenRule
I want to be right because these guys are so corrupt that they need to be exposed. But I'm realistic enough to also know that they have covered their tracks so well that it may be a long time before it happens...while at the same time I'm hopeful that they will be exposed soon, very soon.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:20 PM
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61. I think with all that
is we have to hold hearings of people who know the truth with matters like this. That's why we have to get back the majority in 2006. I do think it's possible if we get people to go out and vote and vote democratic. That's the task.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:29 PM
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69. Exactly right.
without the House, impeachment is going nowhere.
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itcfish1 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:38 AM
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16. Can't They
both be impeached since Dick, dicked the Intelligence reports?
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:39 AM
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19. vice president spiro agnew went down BEFORE nixon
for tax evasion
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:49 PM
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Agnew's crimes were coincidental
They had nothing to do with Watergate. Agnew's problems stemmed from some good, old-fasioned graft that dated back to when he was a county commissioner in Baltimore.

No one ever accused Agnew of involvement with Watergate and no one ever accused Nixon of involvement in Agnew's kickback schemes.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:56 AM
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29. It would either have to be conducted as a separate proceeding...
or it would have to be done after Bush's impeachment.

I suppose, given the evidence against Cheney on 9/11, we could go after him on different charges. I suspect, though, that were Bush/Cheney made aware that they would not survive impeachment, Cheney'd step aside to try to avoid LIHOP evidence on 9/11 being publicized in a big way.

Funny thing, though, if the justice dept were doing its job, they could march in there right now and drag them out in cuffs. The Hague could do the same thing if the knew we wouldn't bomb them.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:12 PM
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49. The Hague knows
that we would.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:54 PM
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67. "We need to bring freedom to the Northern European people"
Don't they have nu-cue-lar weapons anyway?

:D
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:32 PM
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70. No, it would just
be, give 'em back, you have no authority over us. And, they don't.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:39 AM
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18. I would expect them all to go if bush* were to be chimpeached.
However, I also expect cheney* to do his worst and grab the reins for his final descent into hell taking ALL of us with him, snarling the entire way.

The kicker is there will be a hell of a backlash in 2006 against those bush* criminals that he's only got until November 'til he's toast.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:41 AM
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20. cue the CGI shot of cheney in close up with maggots in his teeth
as he is pulled into the hoary abyss by imps and demons, screaming in agony at his last view of america forever.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:50 AM
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26. This WAS my concern, but now...
First, the process of impeachment will uncover more truth. Once underway, more and more info/facts/documents will come out. Start on *, they all get hurt.

Second, without Cheney, there is no *. No *, no Cheney. Know *, know Cheney.

The only real threat to the process is the pardon.

I have changed my mind about impeachment. I believe that we should support the process. Because supporting impeachment is supporting investigations. The more investigations we have, the more dirt will come out, and that will encourage MORE investigations. Getting folks excited about the possibility of impeachment will further accelerate the uncovering of truth from hundreds of directions. More and different directions everyday. As more people within the machine see that the people are determined to uncover the truth and see that they ARE uncovering the truth, they will lek and expose. Some to save themselves, some because they know what * is doing is destroying this country.

Impeachment is just a name for the Interstate Highway System of Truth.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:50 AM
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27. Cheney needs to be impeached, too
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:53 AM
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28. At least impeachment would derail the rest of their agenda.
And hopefully lead to democratic majority in the house and/or senate in 06. I'd rather they do nothing than pass more of their Corporate agenda, ie Social Security, tort reform, Patrot act, CAFTA, etc.

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:58 AM
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30. Bush has gutted our military
Impeachment seems like a paultry punishment in comparison.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:06 AM
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33. Agreed, see my post above re: Gitmo
I think that would be justice, let them live the nightmare they created.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:00 AM
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31. I always figured they threw out Agnew when they knew Nixon was toast.
Cheney's out would be due to health concerns. There are plenty of crooks waiting in the wings. American Government is not about one man and hasn't been for some time especially when dealing with Republicans.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:08 AM
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36. The Hague
I want the bastard hung by his balls.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:17 AM
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40. Me too, but start with
hanging them by their fingernails, then toenails and for the finale, by the balls! :grr:
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:16 AM
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39. Maybe we could get a looksee at poppy's papers
then, remember they were effectively sealed away by *. That was one of the first things that he did cover poppy's ass, I'd hate for poppy to be overlooked if we are going to do a house cleaning.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:40 AM
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44. I would be very happy but my butthole would be very sore...
...from the Pigs flying out of it since I truly believe that if the impeachment ever happens, pigs will fly out of my ass!
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:51 AM
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45. lol I'm sure alot of our butts would be sore
pretty sure I swore monkeys would fly out of mine
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:22 PM
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51. Are there people here who seriously believe Bush can be impeached
and then convicted in a Senate trial, with the Congress in anything like its current composition?

I want an answer, because it's one thing to say Bush has done impeachable things and a completely different thing to say there is a chance that he will be held to account for them.

If you think Bush is in danger of actually being impeached and convicted for his crimes you are dangerously adrift from reality.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:27 PM
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53. We'd get a whole new admin!
* would be gone
Cheney would be gone
Rice would be gone
Rumsfeld would be gone


:woohoo:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:03 PM
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56. We impeach and remove Cheney, too, that's how
This will probably not be done until after the 2006 elections, so the result will be President Nancy Pelosi rather than President Dennis Hastert.

The "high crimes and misdemeanors" in this case are war crimes and crimes against humanity. In the case of Cheney, whose personal fortune is linked to Halliburton's profits, that would include war profiteering.

There is enough evidence to impeach and convict Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Gonzales on charges arising out of the invasion of Iraq and other facets of the so-called war on terror. This should not be enough. These people should also indicted by a federal grand jury and made to stand trial for violations of the War Crimes Act of 1996, along with several past and present regime figures such as Powell, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, Rove, Tenet, Cambone, and Generals Sanchez and Miller. Anybody who assisted Mr. Gonzales in the preparation of the torture memos should be indicted.

If the federal government is unable or unwilling to impeach, indict and make a good faith effort to prosecute these cases, then an international tribunal should be convened for that purpose.

A partial outline of the case against top regime officials and others may be found here.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:04 PM
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57. I think
if you impeach Bush you have to get the whole gang. That's why we have to win back the majority next year because then Pelosi would be the house speaker instead of Hassert.
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:13 PM
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60. Chimp is the symptom, we have to get rid of the underlying cause.
If we impeach Chimp, then the power structure who got him into power remains intact. This power structure is what needs to be changed.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:23 PM
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62. I agree
However, depriving the power elite of its tool in the White House would go a long ways toward that end.

You're right. It shouldn't stop with removing these thugs from power and then sending them to prison for war crimes. They are, after all, hired hoodlums. We need to go after the mafia dons.

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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:26 PM
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63. Cheney is just as impeachable as Smirk
It's a twofer.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:49 PM
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66. And what if I spent the weekend in bed with Delta Burke?
Either one has about the same chance of happening.

Now, if you were speaking in hypotheticals....

Perhaps they could impeach them both at the same time?
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:42 PM
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71. Yeah was more of a theoretically (sp) speaking
Was afriad if it happened would we be in the same boat since I thought that Dick would just step up to the plate from behind the curtains.

Would seem almost pointless to just take one down without the entire crew. Since Dick for sure will throw a couple of pardons around.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:18 PM
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72. Oh, you betcha!
" Since Dick for sure will throw a couple of pardons around."

Just like Gerald Ford did

Nixon bumps into Ford (who isn't known for his grace)

"Pardon me!" says Trickee Dickee

"Sure, why not? The rest of your gang's gotten off scot-free..."
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:35 PM
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73. Yup yup no repeat of that crapolla
If one of em goes down, the rest of them need to go with.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:26 PM
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68. !!
:bounce:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:01 AM
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79. Okay, I can't post in this thread. It'll jinx the effort.
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 01:02 AM by BlueIris
Shhhh. Can't do it. Boxer, Kerry, countless scores of local Dems in my city/state, I cursed all of those victories. I'd really love to see Bush go down. He's got to. I don't want anymore people to die. So, you didn't see this. I was never here.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:49 AM
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80. IMPEACH! PROSECUTE! IMPRISON!
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 01:50 AM by burrowowl
THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION! PROSECUTE AND IMPRISON COLON POWELL!
Get Delay on ethics and crime!
Believe me, if impeachment procedings are started against Bu$h, there will be hell to pay by the others and for Cheny throw in the refusal to say who attended the energy meets! Might some of them be behind the illegal war!
And let's throw the Plame Case and etc.
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jam_gov911 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:16 AM
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83. Reality
What makes you think that after being re-elected for a second term, there is actually some sort of "hope" or possibility that Bush will be impeached? What evidence do you think will support this and allow it to actually take place? and if so the rest of the administration thrown out as well?
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