DUers rejoicing in the MJ decision are making us look bad and uniting FR

[Melodybe]

As the mother of 2, I fully believe that MJ is disgusting and GUILTY.

I am ashamed to be here at the moment, beling glad that the news whores are mad, is the stupidest thing we could be feeling.

It makes us look like we think that child molestation is OK.

Than again I am fully in support of child molesters being castrated, harsh I don't care.

Touch my children, and I wish death upon you.

[VelmaD]

1. Well, given that you weren't at the trial...

or on the jury and didn't hear all the evidence...how do you figure you know better than the people who were?

[rustydad]

91. Look.....

If a Santa Maria jury found him not guilty then by law he was not proved guilty, period. He may be guilty but when we start putting people away without legal proof we are in deep dodo. Santa Maria is a very conservative ex farm town turned white aspiring to be upper middle class town. Lot's of farm workers still but not on this jury. Tom Sneddon the DA is an out and out bastard. I had a good friend who's mother lived next door to Sneddon years ago when he first was elected DA. His wife and kids would come over when Sneddon would drink himself into a rage and do physical violence on both wife and kids. The police would smooth it over many many times. This should end his career, at least I hope so. Jackson may have been guilty who knows. But Sneddon went after him for personal reasons, not legal reasons. He cost our County a huge amount of money it doesn't have. And one more comment. The parents in this case suck as bad as Sneddon, Jackson, and the shitty press. They all suck, a pox on their houses. Bob

[linazelle]

108. Now "we" are concerned about what freepers think? Who gives

a flying F$^&*#K?

[Kraklen]

2. I disagree.

I think the DUers who disregard "innocent before proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" are the ones looking bad.

It's a damn 16th century witch hunt.

Appeals for cruel and unusual punishment included.

[otohara]

10. Witch Hunt?

There was a lot wrong with this case - but witch hunt?

[Kraklen]

36. Absolutely.

You've got trial by public opinion, based solely on the defendant's eccentric behaviour.

The only thing that stopped it from being a real witch hunt was nine good jurors.

[CitizenRob]

41. Witch Hunt.

The Santa Barbara county District Attorney is a big man in a small county who was ridiculed by Michael Jackson on an international blockbuster album. Michael Jackson wrote an entire song about the DA and how he's "a bad man." And you don't think it's possible some power hungry DA didn't see his chance to get his revenge before he left office? He's even said he wasn't intending to run again for DA, undoubtedly because he was expecting to make millions doing books, talks shows, seminars, etc...

[okieinpain]

55. well losing didn't stop marsha clark. he'll still pocket a few bucks

here and there. I will say one thing mike better find a new hobby. if he gets charged again he's going away.

[CitizenRob]

99. I don't know about that

if you happened to stop by the Drudge Report webiste the small print headline was "Not Guilty Not guilty Not guilty..." and there was a picture of Tom Snendon (the D.A.) with the large bold headline "ARREST THIS MAN!" referring to the D.A. with a link to a picture of the D.A.

[BuelahWitch]

56. Didn't he say he *wasn't* finished with Michael Jackson

when he was asked by reporters? Yeah, I agree, Witch Hunt...

[proud2BlibKansan]

103. I thought he said

'no comment' and laughed.

[otohara]

74. Let's See....

I suppose anything is possible.

Risking his reputation and his future over a little known song that got no air play? That would be pretty damn silly.

He can still write a book, go on TV talk shows.

and Michael Jackson can continue his odd habit of sleeping with poor and seriously sick boys, whose parents are too stupid and star struck to say no.

[fasttense]

3. So you think the freepers believed MJ was guilty???? n/t

[FrenchieCat]

4. Michael Jackson who?

The jury has spoken....and personally, I don't give a f*ck about Michael Jackson.

I have to pay my dentist bill....cause my dental insurance is not sufficient.

That's what's important to me.

[salinen]

5. No T.V.

you must be convinced that the jurors are corrupt. Perhaps, just perhaps, that pervert was not guilty this time.

[TahitiNut]

6. Nonsense.

There's no more important time to steadfastly hold to "reasonable doubt" than when the alleged crime is reprehensible.

[Justpat]

17. Beautifully said.

[Carla in Ca]

29. I agree

We weren't there. Let's move on.

[Bluebear]

28. Bravo

[stanwyck]

70. thanks, Tahiti

people need to remember we have a justice system (easy to forget under this administration and their treatment of prisoners and The Patriot Act). The jury has spoken. I sat on a seven count child molestation jury. It's very difficult. Of course you have sympathy for the victim. But the defendant has to be proven to have committed a crime.

[CatWoman]

89. see why I love you?

:hi:

:loveya:

[TahitiNut]

93. See why I love you back?

:loveya: :yourock:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Yes, FreeRepulic loves Gitmo and hates the constitution

I am in support of people who have been proven to commit a crime being punsihed. The only person that was PROVEN to have committed a crime in this case was that boy's mother.

[Sequoia]

8. It was EXTORTION

and you weren't on the jury either. I praise God he's been cleared, and God is too. Jesus loves Michael Jackson, Jesus loves Michael Jackson, Jesus loves MICAHEL JACKSON. GOD IS LOVE.

[AntiCoup2K4]

107. Jesus loves everybody

But that doesn't mean Michael Jackson isn't a kiddie diddling pervert.

It is simply WRONG for a man in his late 40's to have pre-teen children sleeping in his bed.

That's not racism, it's not freeperism, it's not lack of compassion or anything else of the kind. It is merely stating that reality.

So the prosecution failed to prove their case? That happenned with OJ too. Don't mean he isn't a murderous son of a bitch.

And let's not forget those cops who beat the living shit out of Rodney King, recorded live on camera. Yeah, they were "innocent" too.

Basically it comes down to "justice" for the highest bidder. :grr:

[UdoKier]

9. Being guilty under the law and guilty in reality are 2 different things

I'm glad that a man was not convicted without proof. I'm not glad that they didn't have a better case. I don't think DUers are rejoicing. I have kids too.

BTW, do you feel no anger toward the greedy parents who put their kids in MJ's clutches knowing full well that he was a pedophile?

[oldcoot]

43. I feel anger toward the parents

Why would any parent allow his or her child to spend time with a complete stranger, who does not work with children in a professional capacity, unsupervised?

[Dorian Gray]

77. Yes...

those parents should be sued by their children when they get older. I'm one of those who was convinced that he was guilty, though I know we are all entitled to our own opinions. And on that note, I'm going to read a book and turn off the computer and television for a couple of hours. I can't take any more of this.

[PassingFair]

102. The best diagnosis I've seen on this is that the parents suffer from

the rarely diagnosed "Moochhausens" By Proxy, characterized by the uncontrollable need to mooch off of famous celebrities.

[Tsiyu]

106. OMG

:spray:

[shimmergal]

95. Well, if your kid was dying of cancer and

this seemed the one chance to get money for his treatment, it's hard to believe it'd be better to just let him die.

I don't _know_ that that was the case here, but it is something to ponder.

[Bluebear]

11. So you are ready to castrate Jackson?

Did you hear all the testimony?

[Walt Starr]

12. So do you suggest we lower the standards required for criminal conviction?

Your sense about his innocence or guilt have nothing to do with it. The standard of proof required for a conviction is very clear and with acquittal on all counts, the prosecution obviously came nowhere close to that standard.

[rppper]

13. look at it this way....12 jurors, who have been there since day #1...

looked and and decided with all the evidence that was presented, that Jackson was innocent of 20 different charges....they were there, we were not....i will stand by their decision.......

i hate child predators as much as anyone, but this was too unanimous...aquited of all 20 counts....that says volumes...it means there was not enough evidence to convict...like it or not, the man has been declared innocent....love it or hate, it is what we will all live with.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. He was tried by a jury of his peers

he was found NOT guilty.

Look double jeopardy and you will understand why he cannot be tried for these precise charges ever again.

That said can we get back to things that matter?

(Child abuse matters, but this is the Jackson distraction and you are fallling fer it)

[sweetheart]

15. Bush is guilty of mass murder, and there is no justice whatsoever

that we're prosecuting weirdos for being weird. You've been distrated
from serious crime by a witch hunt, and it is irrelevant whether
Mr. Jackson is guilty or innocent. The distraction is the crime
behind which much more heinous criminals have hidden.

[genius]

25. Bush is also a rapist. Why wasn't he prosecuted?

Perhaps, it was because the Republicans don't have a vendetta against him.

[northzax]

16. who said molestation was ok?

hit alert, they'll be banned.

I appreciate the fact that you think he's guilty. I suggest not patronising any establishment that provides him with resources, and otherwise boycotting him, cause frankly, neither your opinion, nor mine matters for shit in this case, the only thing that matters is the 12 people on the jury. Kinda how the system works. We don't need a lynch mob mindset. the fact is that the prosecution had him dead in their sights and blew it. There was no race card played, as for OJ, no defense tricks, they simply played the case better than the prosecution. Blame Santa Maria county for having a crappy prosecutor, if you'd like. By the way, calling him guilty is very likely slander, he's 'not-guilty' legally.

[supernova]

18. The jury weighed the evidence and decided

MJ wasn't guilty.

That's what we do here in the USA and, sometimes, it works, like today.

MJ might be eccentric, odd, bizarre, unusual, child-like, incredibly irresponsible even,

BUT

He's not a pedophile.

[tigereye]

45. sorry Nova

At worst I do think he is a pedophile. At best he is someone with extremely poor judgment. He just got away with it. JMO

[cynatnite]

19. They deliberated for seven days, didn't they?

No one is supporting child molesters. I believe in due process. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. That's how the system works.

The jury worked with what they were given by the prosecution and I've got to say that they weren't given all that much. Reasonable doubt was there.

[genius]

20. Believing in the Constution makes us look bad?

He's innocent and the prosecution was nothing more than a vendetta. The kids were the ones who won today because one of their heroes wasn't taken down in the most ridiculous case in history.

[ET Awful]

21. Excuse me? I'm happy that you sat there at home without hearing

all the evidence that the jury heard and passing judgment.

Sorry, but as soon as it was shown that witnesses were lying and perjuring themselves, I knew he'd walk.

You approached the case with a presumption of guilt rather than a presumption of innocence and thus approached it from a completely non-Constitutional view.

This is merely the result of the American justice system as it was intended to function, with a presumption of innocence and a requirement that guilt be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Obviously the jurors felt there was reasonable doubt.

I'm sorry if you don't like the Constitutional concept of presumed innocence.

[Politicub]

22. I could give two shits about what they think at FR

They are already united in their hate of queers like me. So what if they become closer together. Maybe they'll get their heads permantely lodged up each other's asses.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

31. when FR is on your side is when you should worry

nt

[Mandate My Ass]

23. Your righteous outrage is duly noted

Not wishing death or castration on someone who was just found not guilty by a jury of his peers does not mean one supports child molestation.

[Montauk6]

24. As a father of 2, I too loathe child molestation

But I loathe trial-by-tabloid, vindictive prosecution as well.

Remember McMartin... nuff said.

[MoonRiver]

26. THANK YOU!!

I can't believe the support I'm reading here for this pervert.

[northzax]

39. hey, forget the jury verdict

I'll find us a good strong tree, you bring the rope? deal?

[Donailin]

57. I don't care

if there was reasonable doubt as to the specifics in the trial. All I know is that what is UNDISPUTED is that a 43 year old black man who bleached his skin white, tried to remove his nose off his face, lives in a place called neverland???!!!, and who readily admits to sleeping with little boys is a a freak who should be behind bars.

There is simply no defense for a grown man sleeping in bed with children. It's just sick sick sick.

But not in california, I guess.

[stickdog]

79. I don't think those laws are on the books just yet.

Don't worry, though. We'll get cracking on those critical public policy prohibitions just as soon as we get the even more important flag burning amendment ratified!

[Donailin]

101. man, dont even fucking compare flag burning (freedom of speech)

with grown men enticing and sleeping in the same bed with underage boys.(pedophilia)

just don't.

[medeak]

90. The Jury were Freepers

conservative republican town.. love fox news and tabloids..love celebrities.

Blecch!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. Since when do give a rip what freepers think? Well..attempt to think.

As for MJ's guilt or innocence..I've neglected my patriotic duty to pay any attention to the doings of millionaire celebrities.

[arcane1]

30. Oh no! What will the freepers think?

Does this mean they won't like us anymore?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

32. I'm afraid so.

we have fallen out of favor of the Nazis. will they ever trust us again?

:cry:

[Melodybe]

42. Send your kids to his house to drink wine and sit in bed with him then

That was indisputed, that is for sure, that is gross.

I humbly disagree and think that you are just giving them ammo to hurt us, but by all means...

So how bout election reform, media reform, and verified voting.

,

[arcane1]

46. our ammo is "innocent until PROVEN guilty"

personally, I think MJ is a fucking freak, but I would NOT want to live in a country where I could be convicted of molesting children without it being PROVEN

care to tell us why you think those jurors decided he was not guilty? :shrug:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

52. shhhhhhhh!

dude what are the freepers going to think about what you're saying? You're making us look KaaahRAAAZY!! If you keep up with this they will make us look bad in front of their whole message board!!!

And <sigh> I'm afraid I can't let that happen.

;)

[SlavesandBulldozers]

49. in case you haven't been paying attention.

The Freepers turned Kerry's military service and combat injuries into "Kerry was a traitor who hates America and faked his wounds to further his political future".

In sum, they are fucking lunatics.

I don't have the desire,time, or energy to get in the mind of one of them.

I'll put a fucking bullet in my own head before I lose sleep over what a freeper's perception of any given situation is. They are fucking swine, apologies to all pigs everywhere, and I couldn't give the slightest inkling of the minutest shit as to what they think.

I'm sorry you care. Really, I think that's tragic - and no way to live your life.

[redqueen]

53. .

:rofl:

[Tinoire]

61. Lol

:hi: stranger!

[arcane1]

78. hiya

of all the threads I'd expect to find you in! :P

you missed a yummy trip to TJ's Saturday

:hi:

[Tinoire]

96. Ouch! Didn't mean to miss it...

and will try very hard not to miss the next one!

What I'm really waiting for is a good old-fashioned Leftist protest ;)

:hi:

[arcane1]

100. indeeed!!!!!!!

I missed the last one, and there just haven't been any with the intensity that we had at the beginning of the invasion :evilfrown:

I no longer have the Jesus robe but I'll be out there dressed like an outraged liberal nonetheless!! :D

[BiggJawn]

33. So he was found NOT guilty, and you want his nuts?

"As the mother of 2, I fully believe that MJ is disgusting and GUILTY."

So, I have one child. Does that make me only HALF as qualified as you to second-guess the jury?

"making us look bad".

Feh. As IF.

We are a nation of Laws, Melodybe, whetther you agree wiith the verdict or NOT he was acquitted.

I don't like him either. I think he skated. But that's MY opinion, and as we all know, opinions are like assholes: everybody's got one (except Rush limbaugh) and most of them STINK.

[dissent1977]

123. Rush Limbaugh does too have an asshole

Remember the anal cyst that saved him from Vietnam?

[BiggJawn]

131. He has TWO assholes.

That's why I excluded him from the list of those with AN asshole....:evilgrin:

[Name removed]

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[Melodybe]

50. OK person with like a 100 posts, back the fuck off!

[Richard Steele]

59. Oooh, you've got him wriggling in the crushing grip of logic now!

[libnnc]

60. now, now, I thought we weren't supposed to pick on people's

post numbers here.

Simmer down. Your kids are safe. After all, you are a much smarter parent than the accusers. You would never allow your kids to sleep over with a single grown man.

This will all blow over, the media will get bored and maybe start...I don't know...reporting THE NEWS?!?!

[tamtam]

76. As a mother of two

and a victim of molestation I understand how your feeling right now. What I don't understand is you attack on someone who does not agree with you because of their low post count.

[Carla in Ca]

80. Dear Melodybe,

While I respect your opinion, I must strongly disagree with it. Remember how successful the R's were repeating 'flip-flopper' all the time? And it worked. The R's just put bogus garbage out there, repeat it a million times and it becomes true for so many people.
This jury was there. We must hope they did their duty diligently.

This reminds me of a little story.

In the 60's, the late, great Nat King Cole moved into a home in the fashionable district of LA, Hancock Park.
A neighbor marched over there, blood boiling and said to him "Hey, we don't want any undesirables in this neighborhood!"
Nat said "Madam, if I see any, you'll be the first to know."

[MadHound]

35. OMG, the Freepers are going to think were crazy and evil and digusting!!!!

Big fucking whoop friend, I couldn't give a rat's ass what those brain dead, ethically challenged, mental midgets think about us. It is like they didn't already think that we're the ultimate expression of evil. It isn't like if we walked in lockstep with them they still would think we're evil.

These people are nothing but hate personified, and if they don't hate us for how we're reacting to the Jackson verdict now, they will hate us for how we're reacting to the Jackson verdict later. It doesn't matter, they just have to hate, for that is all that their poor pathetic lives are centered on. It eats them and scars them, I know for I have seen some of the local freepers, and they are the most ugly pathetic creatures on the face of this Earth.

So hey people, say what you're going to say, it simply doesn't matter.

[ArkDem]

68. You sound kind of hateful.

[redqueen]

87. Is that supposed to be ironic?

Go read Freepland or that obsessed site if you want to see hate, friend.

[ArkDem]

133. I can't do it. I hate hate too much.

[AuntPatsy]

37. I am thrilled to have this arena that is so valuable in information

and am seriously tired of people putting DU down because of a few people, now that that is out of the way, it's done, none of us were on the jury or listened to all the evidence, if you want to get mad at someone because you believe him guilty.....

Than write a letter to the DA, obviously, they were unable to prove their case, it's no ones fault on this board, so save your outrage for those who's it is...

[Baconfoot]

38. I too feel he is a child molester but one can only convict on evidence.

Happily, we don't convict people based on my gut feelings but, rather, on the evidence.

The prosecution must present evidence which meets a certain standard.

That standard was (I think pretty clearly) not met in this case.

Though I am convinced my gut feeling is correct, I too would not have voted to convict.

Perhaps the freepers just don't believe in evidence.

Wait... we already knew that.

[Sparkle]

40. Innocent until proven guilty.

And apparently the jury has found MJ innocent. And if you are ashamed to be here, leave.

Oh and f*** freerepublic!

[Terran]

44. Screw that! We only look bad

to people who pre-judged him to be guilty. And who the hell cares if we "look bad" anyway? Everything we do here makes us "look bad" to somebody.

[paula777]

47. That implies that we EVER look good to them, we don't.

[AndyTiedye]

48. We Rejoice at The Failure of a RW Attempt at Railroading an Innocent Man

As the mother of 2, I fully believe that MJ is disgusting and GUILTY

What does the fact that you have children (or the fact that you
find him disgusting) have to do with MJ's guilt or innocence?

It makes us look like we think that child molestation is OK.

No, we don't think MJ was guilty of child molestation.

Than again I am fully in support of child molesters being castrated, harsh I don't care.

You don't even seem to care whether or not they are actual child
molesters, or only people who have been accused of it as part of
some witch-hunt.

[Bluebear]

62. A wise post.

[msmcghee]

51. Why was he indicted in the first place?

Because people believe what feels good.

If you are a DA in a big city - a high profile conviction of a purported child molester who most people already believe is disgusting and guilty, will make you millions of dollars over the rest of your career.

You will be forever known as the prosecutor who sent Michael Jackson to prison for preying on small children.

The DA wanted to believe Jackson was guilty no matter how flimsy the evidence or how unlikely the accusers were to be telling the truth. There was way too much to gain for him to be objective.

It's great when the system works. If *Bush stacks the supreme court with more RW zealots like Scalia and Thomas - just decisions where common sense over-rides mass hysteria - will be very rare in the future.

I applaud the jury and believed Jackson was being railroaded from the start.

[smartvoter]

54. Screw the Freepers. In fact, it makes me happier justice was served. nt

[Tinoire]

58. I'd be ashamed to be among people who have no respect for due process. n/t

[CalebHayes]

63. Were you on the Jury? I don't think you have the right to judge.

[johnfunk]

64. Who gives a Cheney about what FRascist Republic thinks?

n/t

[Malva Zebrina]

65. Who the hell cares about our "image" on FR?

grow up. You are letting those people run your life and your posts and expect that everyone else here should let them run their lives and their posts also.

Can it.

Ignore their adolescent triteness -- you are becoming a slave to FR by letting them influence your posts.

[johnfunk]

66. Who gives a Cheney about what FRascist Republic thinks?

Aside from the fact that Jim Robinson and his accomplices should be indicted and imprisoned for molesting the truth about Amerika.

[FredScuttle]

67. Inspiring morons to unite is my life's purpose

I live to drive mouth-breathing cretins into each other's arms.

Also, I sincerely hope that neither of your precious children ever face a jury with someone like you on it. You know, the type who say "I knew he was guilty just by looking at him!"

[medeak]

69. HE'S GUILTY!

I agree. Am ashamed to say I was hooked to Court TV through the trial. There is no doubt in my mind he is one sick manipulative evil man despite his naive victim routine he plays.

Find it interesting that two jurors sobbed through the announcement..one had history of child molestation. Me thinks they weren't all united in this verdict. Believed the past history but had trouble with the prosecution.

[onenote]

71. actually, no, he's innocent

that's the way it is. Guilty is simply the way you think it should be. A perfect illustration of why we have trials, a presumption of innocence, and a requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

onenote

[LiberallyInclined]

81. you weren't paying much attention to the news today-

or in civics class when you were in school.

HE'S NOT GUILTY!

[medeak]

88. IMO he's guilty of past molestations he settled for

He wasn't on trial for those.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

72. Lame. Find another wedge issue to divide Democrats.

"Dean is a nutcase" seemed to be working better than this.

[Joacheme Misrahe]

73. So you were on the jury?

If not, would you please tell us exactly how you know he is guilty? Did most of your evidence come from CNN, FAUX, or the super market tabloid?

[stickdog]

75. Of course, you might be right. But the jury disagreed.

Sometimes juries make mistakes. Sometimes the prosecution blows its case. And rich folks typically buy themselves a much bigger "benefit of the doubt" than poor people.

But it's just one person, and the victim's parents were complicit. Plus, they'll probably get a pound of flesh out of Jacko in civil court, and he's already disdained by millions of his former fans.

Bottom line: I doubt that this verdict will destroy social security or the entire pension system. That verdict is not a direct assault on democracy and civil rights. I don't think this verdict will destroy the environment or poison millions. Nor will 1,700 American troops come home in body bags because of this verdict. So perhaps we should all just move on.

[tishaLA]

82. Oh well. Them's the Constitutional breaks

Sorry you think our belief in the Constitution makes us look bad.

[BooScout]

83. Why do you give a shit what Freepers think of us?

Freepers are a bunch of whacked out people. So what if people here are making fun of the press? The press deserves o be made fun of..........they are after all for the most part a bunch of incompetent boobs...........especially the talking heads on FAUX and CNN.

I don't for one minute think child molestation is ok and neither does anyone else here. You presume too much.

I do however think MJ was railroaded by the DA and the sensationalist press. I also think a bunch of con artists saw an opportunity for some easy money. They miscalculated. Badly.

I do also think MJ needs some psychological help... but judging from what I see people saying all over the web on a vast majority of issues & topics.............so does at least half this country..........Liberal and Conservative alike. :eyes:

[lastliberalintexas]

84. Yeah, why should we give a fuck about the Constitution?

It only matters what the folks at Free Republic think. :eyes:


I have no idea whether Jackson is guilty or innocent. All I know is that a jury of 12 peers decided that the government had not met ITS burden in attempting to limit the freedom of one of its citizens, and voted accordingly. The government *gasp* actually accepted that decision and is refusing to deprive a resident of freedom without due process of law. Shame, shame. It would be so much better if we lived in a totalitarian regime where the jury system was elimiated, right?


God, some of you people scare the hell out of me. And please, please, please- do us all a favor and decline jury service in the future.

[BooScout]

86. I totally agree. n/t

[Bluebear]

119. Last line...

Exactly!

[chalky]

85. I was out when the verdict came in. Where did the celebratory threads go?

Links?
Just want to see what we're talking about here.

[SmokingJacket]

92. Neither you nor I have any idea of the truth.

You may suspect, but neither of us knows.

I certainly don't.

I am also a mother of two, would happily castrate anyone who touched my children in a sexual way, but.... I don't know what happened with MJ. If he's guilty, it's too bad he got off. Doubt he'll do it again.

But if he was innocent and punished, that would also be a travesty.

People on the jury had to decide a difficult question -- glad it wasn't me -- but I believe they did what they thought was right.

[Jamastiene]

94. The facts are

that he was found innocent because the prosecution didn't deliver enough noncircumstantial evidence and in America, a person is innocent until proven guilty and he was proven not guilty. I personally am not rejoicing that a child molestor has gone free. I honestly think A LOT of Michael Jackson's quirks are weird, but that is not against the law. The case was to determine if he had done these things "beyond a reasonable doubt". The prosecution didn't do that. If he is ever found guilty of child molestation in a court of law, I'll be right there with you advocating castration. And I am not rejoicing, I am just happy to know that Nancy Grace has to eat crow now. I wonder where Hillary had the shoe cake baked...I wish I could afford to have a crow cake made for that woman. I am just rejoicing that she had her mind made up from day one and made a prediction based on her emotions and not the facts, then was proven wrong in a court of law. And call me naive, I don't care. I don't think he's guilty of child molestation. Like I said, I'd be right there with you advocating the stiffest sentence AND castration if I did believe it.

[donheld]

97. I'm totally ashamed of you

You want him found guilty reguardless of evidence? Maybe that's a little harsh, but without "innocent till proven guilty" what kind of progressives would we be?

[RetroLounge]

98. DUers with Che Avatar are making us look bad and uniting FR

:eyes:

RL

[Melodybe]

105. I'll be so glad when an asshole like Bill O'reilly reads some of these

on his show, there for reaffirming the idea that we are soft on crime and could care less about the children.

:sarcasm:

Whatever, I had no idea that DU was this wacked out over Micheal Jackson, NO ONE HAS ANY PROBLEM WITH A MIDDLE AGED MAN SHOWING PORNO TO CHILDREN WHILE THEY SLEEP IN HIS BED!!!

That part was not even argued, that part has been admitted to by Micheal Jackson! Give me a fucking break, I think you're all nuts.

At the very least Jackson should not be around children and should be placed in a mental institution.

[Bluebear]

111. Before you call us all nuts, when did Jackson admit showing porn to kids?

PS Being 'soft on crime', is that what you call agreeing with a jury verdict?

[personman]

114. It was never proven...

that he showed them porno, and it was never proven that he gave them alchohol(which you stated that he had), in fact he was found innocent of that. For speaking as if you have such knowledge of the subject, your command of the facts is lacking.

I think you're nuts for wanting to send someone who was never proven to have done anything immoral at all to prison for 20+ years and be considered a sex offender for the rest of his life. That is insanity. Maybe if you're ever in that situating you'll see things differently, otherwise I'm sure you'll demand to be found guilty, or that'd make you just a big hypocrite wouldn't it?

"It makes us look like we think that child molestation is OK."

Uh, no, it doesn't. If he was found guilty and given probation, THAT would make it look like we think child molestation is ok. He was found to be innocent, and so he won't go to jail, I think they call that...justice.

[Kool Kitty]

115. Oh, f**k FR and O'Reilly, too.

No matter what we think, right or not, they just lie about us anyway. Who cares what they think?

[walldude]

121. So you are saying that MJ admitted that

he showed porno to little kids and the Jury let him off? Somehow I find that hard to believe. You get that from Nancy Grace? If you can show me a credible link I would happily side with you. On the other hand the jury who had all the facts in front of them thought differently. All 12 of them. It only takes one person to get a hung jury. I thought this whole thing stunk from the beginning. Parents let their kids stay overnight with someone who has been accused of child molestation, and also held his own child over a balcony!?!? While I think he's off his rocker I find it hard to believe that all 12 people are wrong...

[mark414]

104. innocent until proven guilty

at least that's what the constitution says

and he wasn't proven guilty

who the fuck cares what the freepers think? they'll disagree with anything we say just because it's us.

[personman]

109. You're just wrong.

When being weird and creepy is illegal I'll be right there with you, but it's not.

whoa? huh? what's that?

Hi I'm bobby and I'm 4 and melodybe made me snort coke off a hookers ass and she touched me hoohoo. I have zero evidence but she should be found guilty just because it's a bad crime.

Really what is evidence anyway? Maybe instead of a jury we should appoint some sort of judicial coin flipper, or perhaps an educated guesser?

I do find it slightly humorous that melodybe skipped responding to the first 20 posts that pointed out how ludicrous that line of thought is. Maybe if she's ever on the accused end she'll see things differently.

[SammyWinstonJack]

110. In your opinion

Get over yourself. If you're ashamed to be here, why are you?

[beyurslf]

112. That woman may have been the only person crazier than MJ.

What a terrible case. If it had resulted in guilty, we would know the judicial system was beyond repair.

[Mr_Spock]

113. Oh, cmon - who cares what FR thinks?

I personally think that people who are sure he's innocent are smoking crack - how could they know that? If it's wishful thinking, it's just plain dumb...

[FreedomAngel82]

116. This is a message board

Why do you give a damn what they say? Like I give a rat ass.

[bpilgrim]

117. It makes us look like BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...

as a family man, a tall white guy, punk philly kid, american, vet is what i think of what the FREAKS think about ANYTHING but specially US...

Who gives a FUCK

more...
http://images.globalfreepress.com

i have seen folks expressing FAITH in our JUDICIAL SYSTEM (as long as your FORTUNate enough to have a compelling REPRESENTATION.

very unfortunate, indeed, on both accounts, the FREAKS POV and REALITY.

:hi:

peace

[lectrobyte]

118. You believe he's guilty? Cheney believe's bad people are in Gitmo.

Seems like smart people created this justice system to deal with belief etc., and I am convinced that M.J. and the verdict on him has little relevance to my life, or that of my children or my grandchildren. Are you trolling us?

[Melodybe]

120. Look this is stupid, we disagree

can we move on and talk about something else?

here is the other post I wrote that sums it up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3853530

[Clark2008]

122. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass about Michael Jackson.

However, I wouldn't allow him within 100 feet of my son.

Whether he's guilty of child molestation or not, the man has some serious problems.

[kodi]

124. oh for christ's sake, with all that's going on in the world, get a grip

you just admitted that you condone torture and mutilation. that makes you some sort of superior moral being?

what the fuck is wrong with you?

i just hope that attitude doesn't fuck up your kids.

[Melodybe]

127. Nice to see you think that the torure and mutilation of children

by child molesters is fine.

Those are little holes, you don't think that they tear.

I never said anything about torture, but castration doens't have to be all mideval.

Just as long as they never can do those types of things to children and get off on it again.

[kodi]

130. how nice, but note, your slanderous remark fits you not me

you presume to attempt to put such words in my mouth after you were the one who advocates the mutilation of another person?

your despicable remarks tells the world more about what kind of person you are than it does me.

btw: you say that you never said anything about torture, are you really out so far out were the buses don't run to understand that mutilating the body of another person is torture?

the words i have to say about your comments would get me banned from this site.

what kind of person are you who thinks it is acceptable to torture another human being?

have you no shame at all?

[LynnTheDem]

125. "Guilty", even after a verdict of "not guilty". How very American.

No wonder they hate us.

[friesianrider]

126. Bullshit.

The man was given a fair trial with a jury of his peers. Far as I know, you weren't at the trial so how you seem to be so convinced of his guilt is beyond me. Isn't this the second time some money-grubbing Mom tried to whore her son out to get a few mil for the family? Jackson was cleared in that case as well. Today, he was pretty assuredly acquitted. Get over it.

Being relieved that the justice system seems to have worked just fine in this case is nothing to feel embarassed about. I'd be all for child molesters being castrated too, but I'm relatively sure MJ isn't one of them. And, apparently, neither does a jury of his peers.

BTW, no one here thinks child molestation is okay, and anyone who thinks it "makes us look like we think" it is okay is a colossal moron. I highly suspect most of us here couldn't give a rat's ass what the freepers think of us (I know I surely don't).

[Horse with no Name]

128. With all due respect Melody

Michael Jackson did not have to prove his innocence.
The state had to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and they didn't meet their burden.
Their civic duty was to acquit him. That is the only reason I am happy with the verdict. Every verdict that citizens render for the right reason is a victory for justice overall and gives me hope that our country isn't as far gone as I think sometimes.
That doesn't mean I think he is innocent, because I really don't.
However, the only proof I have is that I think he is a freak--but that in of itself is not reason to persecute or prosecute anyone.
I heard the best quote on it though (paraphrased)---was that just like Michael Jackson dangled his son over the balcony--this mother dangled her child over Jackson's bed.
In fact--if the molestation did occur--I hold the mother as responsible as Jackson for allowing her son to be in the bed of a 45-yr old man. She is just as complicit as he is.
With that being said--I certainly hope that he learned his lessons and stops having pre-teen slumber parties. I don't believe next time he will get a free pass.

[Melodybe]

129. Thanks Horse with no Name

[mopaul]

132. I don't believe next time he will get a free pass...exactly

[bigtree]

134. like I give a fuck

FR? Who the fuck are they? The verdict was a victory for due process and defendants rights. The prosecution didn't prove the case. You or anyone else haven't been able to prove that Jackson did anything wrong. Look at the young men who testified to sleeping in Jackson's bed who said nothing happened. That, plus the inability of the original victim to back up his claims with evidence, created more than enough reasonable doubt. Jackson should not have been convicted of these charges and it is wrong to flail insults around that are nothing but unproven slander.

But you go right ahead. It's a free country.

[ima_sinnic]

135. rather than pursuing justice for Bush and his buddies for the

unnecessary slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens and almost 2,000 Americans, torture, detainment of hundreds (thousands?) of people with no charges and no access to family or lawyers, lying to the American public, shredding Constitutional protections of privacy and due process, trashing of the environment, lowering of industrial standards for pollution, robbing of the U.S. Treasury for personal gain, meddling in the political affairs of South and Central American countries, etc. etc. ad nauseum, you are free to pursue "justice" for one individual eccentric whom YOU presume guilty even after a lengthy trial concluded otherwise.

Your remarks are so off the wall I can't even begin to figure them out. "Making us look bad"? gee, I really care what a bunch of people who think it is okay to bomb a sovereign nation back to the stone age just because they're pissed about 9-11, with no proof whatsoever that that nation had anything at all to do with it or would be a danger to the U.S. or any other country.

hey, isn't that the same thing you're talking about? a judgment of GUILT with no proof--at least in MJ's case there was actually a trial and all evidence was brought forth. Weren't you watching?