LA: The Christian right and its allies in the culture wars are mobilizing

[iconoclastic cat]

This is terrifying. We NEED to get our shit together. These people are going to destroy this country.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/29/features-ireland.php

All across the country, the Christian right and its allies in the culture wars are mobilizing — sometimes spurred on from the top by the AFA, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council and similar national groups, but with increasing frequency local pressure campaigns and boycott threats are self-starters. They target everything from local broadcast outlets and local cable operators to libraries, bookstores, playhouses, cinemas and magazine outlets. “The Christian right is incredibly mobilized,” says Joan Bertin, executive director of the National Coalition Against Censorship, a 30-year-old alliance of 50 nonprofit groups. Bertin says, “There’s been an explosion of local book and arts censorship — a lot of activity by an emboldened grassroots, who think they won the last election on moral grounds. They barely need to threaten a boycott to get those they target to back down — hey, nobody had to threaten to boycott PBS to get them to back off Postcards From Buster.” Bertin affirms that “This new threat from below as well as above has already achieved a widespread chill” on creative and entertainment arts throughout the country.

A good example of successful up-from-below pressure in making corporate America bend the knee to the Christers: the Microsoft Corp. Earlier this year, under pressure from a local protest led by Ken Hutcherson — a conservative National Football League linebacker turned preacher — Microsoft made a decision to stay neutral in the fight over legislation in Washington’s state Legislature banning discrimination in employment against same-sexers, although many other companies headquartered in the state took positions in favor of the bill. But after an avalanche of counterprotests to Microsoft about their cave-in to Hutcherson, from their own employees (many of whom are gay), gay groups and the blogosphere, Microsoft reversed itself and supported the anti-discrimination bill. Too late: Two weeks earlier, the bill had been defeated by just one vote in the state Senate. Now, Microsoft is being targeted by a new, national Christer protest campaign for having flip-flopped again.

Martin Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at the Annenberg School of Communication at USC, calls the new Christer offensive a drive toward “theocratic oligopoly. The drumbeat of religious fascism has never been as troubling as it is now in this country,” adding that “e-mails to the FCC are more worrisome to me than boycotts” in terms of their chilling effect.

Even The New York Times is feeling the chill. At the beginning of May, an internal committee of 19 Times editors and reporters, who’d been asked how to improve the paper’s “credibility” with a wider swath of America, came up with a key recommendation: ­Deliberalize the paper’s news columns, ­especially through more coverage on religion from a sympathetic point of view. The committee’s report, “Preserving Our Readers’ Trust,” added that “the overall tone of our coverage of gay marriage, as one example, approaches cheerleading. By consistently framing the issue as a civil rights matter — gays fighting for the right to be treated like everyone else — we failed to convey how disturbing the issue is in many corners of American social, cultural, and religious life.” Oh, “disturbing” to whom? Why, to the Christers, of course — whose e-mail complaint campaigns against the Times are legion: It’s the paper the fundamentalists love to hate. So why is the Times — one of the few newspapers in the latest available study of circulation released earlier this year to significantly increase circulation rather than lose it — feeling the need to kowtow to the religious opponents of gay marriage? The paper’s willingness to do so is about as frightening a testimony to creeping theocracy as one could imagine.
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Holy fuck. You guys don't even want to know what was going on in my mind when I read this. We have to do something before it's too late.

[Maat]

1. And I didn't threaten to stop giving to PBS because of the ..

Postcards from Buster thing; and I haven't given them a dime since.

Of course, it is chilling.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. These people are nuts.

[iconoclastic cat]

3. There's nuts, and then there's Lovecraftian destroy-the-world insane...

The fuckers worshop Cthulhu and call him Jesus.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Yep. Left-Behinders are truly doomsday cultists

[iconoclastic cat]

6. When are people going to start taking those freaks seriously?

When their porn gets taken away?

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Saw Wal*Mart had Left Behind--the Movie II stocked.. with a nice

big pic of Kirk-I-Used-to-act-on-real-shows-Cameron on the front.

[AuntiBush]

7. That's it. Call them like "it is and what they are:" Fake Anti-Christians

and Anti-Americans. They make me sick, honestly. This sunday school-reared adult is ready! Most can't even quote from their bibles.

[iconoclastic cat]

10. I wish real Christians would mobilize, too.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. We're trying. But is anyone out there listening?

[iconoclastic cat]

16. There needs to be a coherent, underground effort.

We're talking organization, here.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. And then what do we do? We have a slight problem, which was the cause of

the RW Xians rising the way they did, and that is that many of us on the left are pluralistic. We don't generally speak out against other religions. We don't generally speak out about our own either. Finger-pointing and proselytizing don't mesh with tolerance.

We have to address that in order to get more of us to speak out.

[iconoclastic cat]

23. First, stop recognizing them as legit. They are a cult.

I have no problem pointing fingers, signs, bullhorns, and eggs at death cultists.

[iconoclastic cat]

25. Another point: Refuse to buy into the "pro-life" bullshit.

They are only pro-life when that life can be assimilated. They think all other life must be exterminated. You and I included. Next time someone tells me that they are pro-life, I will ask them if they have ever wished anyone dead.

[FreedomAngel82]

41. They aren't pro-life I call them

pro-fetus. They don't care afterwards. They're also pro-death penalty and pro-war. So how does that mean "pro-life"?

[leesa]

53. You can't speak out against intolerance and hate?

Didn't your Jesus do that?

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Yeah get rid of religion period!

All for organization on that front! Religion=root of all evil and the opiate of the masses! Organized Religion kills!

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Obviously not

Not really. We're just crazy "left wing consperiacy theorists" who "shame" our religion. I've had someone tell me I shame my church. Ha! :eyes:

[AuntiBush]

37. Same here, my friend... same here. http://ucc.org/ Check it out.

Amish, Mennonite, Lutherans, United Methodists, Baptists and Cathlics alike have joined together "against" those faux-Christians.

http://www.stillspeaking.com/
http://ucc.org/

These will make you feel better. Put your zip-code in and find a good church. Check the national church sites: I found tons of open-letters denouncing them.

[Kraklen]

17. That's an insult to Cthulhu.

Non-Euclidean cyclopean geometries make more sense than these people.

[MisterP]

46. Bush's "call from beyond the stars" explained!

[ulysses]

5. and yet we can't allow Dean to say "boo" to these scary fuckers.

[iconoclastic cat]

8. I think we should ask him to do just that.

I'm serious. I'm going to draft a letter.

[ulysses]

15. no, no! it's impolitic! it's pointed! it's bad!

A Democrat saying meaningful things? WE CAN'T HAVE IT!

:scared:

[iconoclastic cat]

18. lol, yes, we get it, don't beat the punchline to death.

[EVDebs]

9. Chris Hedges is right , saw him on NOW. Read End Time Delusions

by Steven Wohlberg and you'll see that the eschatology of these "Left Behind" futurists is biblically unsound. The secret pre-tribulation rapture they envision doesn't jive with the scriptures in Daniel and Revelation.

I can hear their heads spinning now. They'll have to go through tribulations just like the rest of us !

Oh, and the Third Temple their futurist eschatology requires...isn't a requirement of the historicist, more biblically sound, view.

www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

and

"Then came Left Behind. In the 1990s, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins took the future one-man antichrist idea of Hal Lindsey, Scofield, Darby, Irving, Newman, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, and turned it into "The most successful Christian-fiction series ever" (Publishers Weekly). Hal Lindsey's book, The Late Great Planet Earth, was largely theological, which limited its appeal, while Left Behind is a sequence of highly imaginative novels, "overflowing with suspense, action, and adventure," a "Christian thriller," with a "label its creators could never have predicted: blockbuster success" (Entertainment Weekly). The much-respected television ministries of Jack Van Impe, Peter and Paul Lalonde, and Pastor John Hagee, have all worked together to produce LEFT BEHIND: The Movie. The entire project has even caught the attention of the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, resulting in an interview of LaHaye and Jenkins on Larry King Live. The Left Behind books have been made available on displays at WalMart, Fry's Electronics, and inside countless other stores.

Again let me clarify, I believe the producers of Left Behind and the leaders of these television ministries are genuine Christians who are doing their best to influence people for the Kingdom. God is using them, just like the Father spoke through Peter when he firmly confessed his faith in Christ (Matthew 16:15-17). Remember that Peter Principle. There is much that is good in Left Behind which God can use to influence people for Jesus Christ. But, in the full light of Scripture, prophecy, and the Protestant Reformation, something is terribly wrong. Left Behind is now teaching the very same Jesuit Futurism of Francisco Ribera which is hiding the real truth about the Antichrist. Through Left Behind, the floodgates of Futurism have been opened, unleashing a massive tidal wave of false prophecy which is now sweeping over America. Sadly, it is a false "idea whose time has come."

As we have already seen, the theological foundation for the entire Left Behind series is the application of the "seven years" of Daniel 9:27 to a future period of Tribulation. Are you ready for this? Guess who was one of the very first scholars to slice Daniel's 70th week away from the first 69 weeks, sliding it down to the end of time? It was the Evil Empire's very own Francisco Ribera! "Ribera's primary apparatus was the seventy weeks. He taught that Daniel's 70th week was still in the future.…It was as though God put a giant rubber band on this Messianic time measure. Does this supposition sound familiar? This is exactly the scenario used by Hal Lindsey and a multitude of other current prophecy teachers" (Robert Caringola, Seventy Weeks: The Historical Alternative, p. 35)."

http://www.historicist.com/articles2/jesuitfuturism.htm

This aligns clearly with Chris Hedges' May 2005 article infering a rise in 'Christian fascism'
http://harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

I would hope that the DU moderators would see fit to allow me to post these articles, despite the cry of "intolerance" some Catholics will make. It is a fact that Franco's Spain was the birthplace of Opus Dei and I am not making up the historic facts of the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation... Also, the fact that mainline Protestant denominations are using the Jesuit futurist eschatology is more IRONIC than ever, since there is a large Catholic cohort that truly believes that Jesus Christ came to us 'in the flesh' (despite the doctrine of the Imaculate Conception). And Catholics social gospel ethic is very strong.

I'm merely pointing out, as did Hedges, that the fascist tendency we're seeing in the Bush evangelical crowd, is on shaky biblical grounds. Plus, these churches look more like corporations than the soul-saving operations that Jesus Christ was all about.

[iconoclastic cat]

14. No, I don't think they care about waiting for the Rapture.

They want everything to be under their control so they can wipe out the planet themselves.

[charlyvi]

13. They even have their own flag.

[Pushed To The Left]

19. We need to support their enemies!

Those of us that oppose the radical right need to band together against them.

The ACLU www.aclu.org
People For The American Way www.pfaw.org
Americans United www.au.org
Southern Poverty Law Center www.tolerance.org

[Shallah Kali]

54. Thanks for the links! If you have $ join 'em, if not do their Actions!

We do not necessarily need new orgs ourselves to find the christian taliban - we need to work with these exisiting groups!

[Stirk]

21. Bring 'em on. Seriously. These idiots are tearing their party in half.

The Republican leadership is all about corporate profit. They'll toss red meat to the religious wackos, but their "piety" ends where the corporate interests begin.

I want to see these religious fanatics push just as hard as they can. I hope I see some wild-eyed fanatic like Fred Phelps on the news every time I turn it on. They're freaking everybody out- not just Democrats.

[iconoclastic cat]

22. People keep saying that split will happen. They've said it for decades.

I'm not willing to wait.

[Stirk]

24. It's happening now. That whole Terry Schiavo thing cost them alot.

I know several Republicans myself who expressed real disgust with their party after that. The war didn't do it, the corporatist policies didn't do it, but the religious ranting did it. They did not like seeing the religious fanatics pushing their way into issues that might affect them personally.

[iconoclastic cat]

26. It might make a few of them disgusted, but where are they gonna go?

Are they going to vote Dem? No. They'll continue to kowtow until the knock comes on their own door at night.

[Tux]

57. And

If corporations are railroaded by fundies, Republicans may see less donations from them. Corporations still hold more power than ministers. If Micro$oft really wanted to, they could charge churches more for Windows etc just for fun (Bush did let them off the monoply charges). Some may not even do business in states like Kansas that insist on returning to the 1200's. Sooner or later, money will defeat the Bible.

[Terran]

28. Dude, calm down

First of all, people haven't been saying that for decades because these people haven't been active "for decades", only since the Reagan admin...and you notice we elected Bill Clinton somewhere in there since. These freaks are a vocal *minority*, and we have powerful allies and solid institutions (like the rule of law, for instance) opposing them. I'm not saying they're nothing to worry about, because they are. But let's not panic, okay?

[iconoclastic cat]

30. I'll try to breathe now.

[NAO]

27. America needs a Freethought Revival -Xianity MUST be Aggressively Debunked

There was a bustling movement known as the "freethought movement" in the latter part of the 19th and early 20th century. It was an aggressive movement that challenged, debunked, and showed to be false the claims of Christianity and other revealed religions. It produced extensive literature and resulted in a large number of people that no longer believed in the claims of revealed religion.

The antidote to these Fundamentalist Nut-Cases is a Revival of the Freethought Movement. What we need is a Freethought movement similar to what the US had around the turn of the 20th century. Robert Ingersoll was touring the country, lecturing on secularism and exposing the claims of revealed religion to be false. Unless something breaks the stranglehold of religious fundamentalism in the US - and in the world - I think we are going to continue the slide into Theocracy and destruction.

The Bible is full of atrocities, contradictions, and absurdities. If this material was simply brought out into the open, it would blunt the force of this religious insanity.

- Freethinkers could produce TV ads that exposed the claims of Christianity to be falsehoods.

- Freethinkers could form an 'anti-Gideons' and leave copies of Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" and Robert Ingersoll's "Why I am Agnostic" in hotel rooms.

- Freethinkers produce tracts and pamphlets showing the contradictions in the Bible and exposing the rip-off of dozens of pagan beliefs and their incorporation into Christianity.

We could have a Second Enlightenment, a Second Age of Reason! We could re-secularize a world gone mad with religious superstition.

Robert Ingersoll's "Why I Am Agnostic"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/why_i_am_agnostic.html

Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/index.shtml

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From "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine (1795)

EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God was not open to every man alike. Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all.

When I am told that the Koran was written in Heaven, and brought to Mahomet by an angel, the account comes to near the same kind of hearsay evidence and second hand authority as the former. I did not see the angel myself, and therefore I have a right not to believe it. When also I am told that a woman, called the Virgin Mary, said, or gave out, that she was with child without any cohabitation with a man, and that her betrothed husband, Joseph, said that an angel told him so, I have a right to believe them or not: such a circumstance required a much stronger evidence than their bare word for it: but we have not even this; for neither Joseph nor Mary wrote any such matter themselves. It is only reported by others that they said so. It is hearsay upon hearsay, and I do not chose to rest my belief upon such evidence.

It is, however, not difficult to account for the credit that was given to the story of Jesus Christ being the Son of God. He was born when the heathen mythology had still some fashion and repute in the world, and that mythology had prepared the people for the belief of such a story. Almost all the extraordinary men that lived under the heathen mythology were reputed to be the sons of some of their gods. It was not a new thing at that time to believe a man to have been celestially begotten; the intercourse of gods with women was then a matter of familiar opinion. Their Jupiter, according to their accounts, had cohabited with hundreds; the story therefore had nothing in it either new, wonderful, or obscene; it was conformable to the opinions that then prevailed among the people called Gentiles, or mythologists, and it was those people only that believed it. The Jews, who had kept strictly to the belief of one God, and no more, and who had always rejected the heathen mythology, never credited the story.

It is curious to observe how the theory of what is called the Christian Church, sprung out of the tail of the heathen mythology. A direct incorporation took place in the first instance, by making the reputed founder to be celestially begotten. The trinity of gods that then followed was no other than a reduction of the former plurality, which was about twenty or thirty thousand. The statue of Mary succeeded the statue of Diana of Ephesus. The deification of heroes changed into the canonization of saints. The Mythologists had gods for everything; the Christian Mythologists had saints for everything. The church became as crowded with the one, as the pantheon had been with the other; and Rome was the place of both. The Christian theory is little else than the idolatry of the ancient mythologists, accommodated to the purposes of power and revenue; and it yet remains to reason and philosophy to abolish the amphibious fraud.

Consider a Freethought PAC to Run Attack Ads Exposing Religious Superstition on TV

The Bible and the claims of Christianity do not stand up to rational scrutiny. They are very easily debunked and shown to be utterly untrue. It is scandalous that people still believe this stuff, and it is in most cases because they have never stopped to seriously question their beliefs and never encountered any serious challenges.

I think what we need to counter this type of crap is a Freethought PAC - One that would run aggressive attack ads on TV. "Freethinkers for Truth", or something along those lines, to debunk religious superstition using 30 second TV attack ads. They could feature "Great Moments in American Secularism and Freethought" with "Great American Freethinkers" like Thomas Paine and Robert Ingersoll.

If TV stations would not run the ads, we could pull the same, "help, help, I'm being repressed!" crap that the fundies are always whining about. And of course the refusal to run the ads would draw attention to the works of Paine and Ingersoll, which are in themselves a very effective antidote to religious superstition.

The Freethought Zone
Science and Reason Over Religion and Superstition
http://freethought.freeservers.com /

Freedom from Religion Foundation
http://www.ffrf.org /

Secular Humanism
http://www.secularhumanism.org /

Secular Web
http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml

Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/index.shtml

Complete Works of Robert Ingersoll - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.shtml

Dominionism's Theocratic Designs and Radical Clerics

Fundamentalist Radical Clerics such as Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson are not merely medieval throwbacks or misguided religious hacks. They are part of a well organized subversionary movement known as "Dominionism". Dominionism constitutes a serious threat to American Democracy. These Radical Clerics have developed and are executing a detailed plan to gradually replace the free, secular democratic society of the United States with a Theocracy.

It is critical that people become aware of the extreme agenda these people have for the United States and ultimately for the world. The results of the 2004 Presidential Election were not a fluke or something that was drummed up over a period of months. It has been in planning for over 20 years, and what we are seeing take place now is, in the words of Katherine Yurica, "the swift advance of a planned coup".

The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup: Conquering by Stealth and Deception - How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

Video on the Christian Reconstructionist Dominionist Theocratic Agenda
http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/video_dominion.ram

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
a public information project from TheocracyWatch.org
http://www.theocracywatch.org

The Religious Right - An Anti-American Terrorist Movement
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8816.htm

Evolve Fish - Your One-Stop Shop for Freethought Materials
http://www.evolvefish.com

[iconoclastic cat]

29. Again, it's not Christianity. Those freaks aren't Christian.

They're militant death cultists, just like Wahabbists.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Exactly

Tonight a guy called in Malloy's show and said all these conservatives are anti-Jesus. If you actually read Jesus' teachings you can clearly see that. How can one be pro-life but also be pro-death penalty and pro-war??

[Initech]

31. It's truly scary the direction that this country is headed in.

First Spongebob Squarepants, PBS, then Microsoft, now Ford, who's next on their hit list?

And why isnt anyone up there trying to debunk the uber-morons? How come no one is pointing out the idiocy of James Dobson or Jerry Falwell?

[Eloriel]

32. Another scarey article

did ya'll see this one? I consider it something of a companion piece:

Christian Coalition: Gays Should Wear Warning Labels
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1545067#1546526

[Lorien]

33. Progressives have NEVER been organized

and have never been in greater need of a real leader to change our history. But since change seems highly unlikely, it's up o each of us as individuals to PUSH BACK. Write, call, put as much into it as you do posting on DU at the very least. Silence implies consent, and too many of us have been waiting for someone else to "do something".

[iconoclastic cat]

34. Ahhh, the wise gaze of Oberon soothes me...

[eleonora]

35. the problems are lack of funds and support

We need to fight back capitalist style and boycott all businesses supporting/giving in to the extremist agenda. Have a mailing list, make a list of supporters and send it to companies like Ford. A liberal consumers activist group.

[Lorien]

39. Visit our Economic activism and Progressive living group

We're already on it-but the rest of DU needs to join in!

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Right

Jobs and the economy sucks now and the rightwing gets money from big corporations because the rightwing politicians cater to them. And these rightwing groups get money to keep them in the party. The politicians could really give a damn about them. Notice how fast Frist and DeLay left the whole Schavio incident after they started it.

[0rganism]

47. I beg to differ. When progressives organize, Great Things happen

When we organized in labor unions, we gained laws against child labor, regulations to promote workplace safety, 5-day work weeks, and overtime pay.

When we organized for women's suffrage, women gained the right to vote.

When we organized with blacks, Jim Crow went down in flames.

When we organized veterans and peaceniks together, the war in Vietnam came to an end.

People laid their lives down in these movements, to bring us these changes, they were never free. There will always be a price. So rather than cutting ourselves off from a hundred and fifty years of progress, let's look back on our legacy and find in it some guiding inspiration as well as the ubiquitous despair for all we have lost. The churches themselves were once a hotbed of strong liberal activism, perhaps they can be once again.

[Lorien]

48. Those are groups within the progressive movement

not progressives as a whole. Look at DU-not all DUers consider themselves feminists, back labor unions, or see the injustice in racial inequality. DEMOCRATS have NOT ever mobilized as a group to advance the entire progressive agenda (because we don't seem to agree on what that is)the Right Wing-ever lockstep-has. This is what needs to change.

"I don't belong to an organized political party-I'm a Democrat" -Will Rogers

[FreedomAngel82]

38. I'm read to fight, are you?

I'm not about to give up yet! Two can play their game. As long as Howard Dean is out there fighting I'm not giving up yet!

[AX10]

42. Hey, if police can kill the innocent and get away with it...

das REICH do anything to ensure it's control over us is never lost.

Yes, we must mobilize!

[seabeyond]

45. read dominion. it is bigger than just this

they are mobilizing into communities. they are getting on boards in their local community. they are going for the jobs that they know they can effect to their propaganda. look at that university bush got in trouble going to, bob jones university? they are creating lawyers to fo into judicial. they are educating politicians and repugs in washington are hiring them. seeing it in the pharmacutical industry. they are very focused in what they are doing.

[Shallah Kali]

49. This has obviously been organized for years from getting * in to getting

themselves elected to the most minor political postiions. And too many people fall for this nonsense and only see the self-proclaimed Good Christianhood instead of actually looking at their actions are.

[Shallah Kali]

50. If you want a good example of these groups click the link here-

http://christianexodus.org/

:scared: :hide:

[Gelliebeans]

51. ok this freaked me out

http://christianexodus.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=position

Strategy:

ChristianExodus.org intends to move thousands of Christian constitutionalists to the sovereign state of South Carolina in multiple phases of 12,000. Our research team will choose specific state legislative districts and encourage our members to relocate to them. Further details can be found on our Plan of Action page.

Interests of minority in South Carolina:

If secession is effected in South Carolina, there will be a minority of unionists in the state. The under girding principle in a representative form of government is that majority rules. It then becomes the responsibility of the minority to relocate or change the policies of the state through the ballot box. It would be a great injustice to suggest that the preference of the minority ought to prevail over that of the majority.

:scared:

[Shallah Kali]

55. Did you read the blog? {shudder}

:scared: :scared: :scared:


:hide:

[atommom]

52. kick

[iconoclastic cat]

56. Thanks!