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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:30 AM
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Here Are The 20 PRO LYNCHING SCUM!
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

http://dailykos.com/
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:31 AM
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1. hmmmmmmmmm
what was Dean saying about Republicans being assholes?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:31 AM
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2. Lott & Cochran!
:argh:

Sure, be a member of the CCC and know that lynchings still occur in your state. They are just part of the culture! :nuke:


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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:05 PM
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48. Is anyone really surpirsed that Lott's name is on this list??
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 12:05 PM by Blue Belle
Isn't that why he resigned his post as majority leader in the first place?

:eyes:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:07 PM
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51. Not surprised, but it still makes me angry since they are my
senators! :mad: :nuke: :argh: :nuke:


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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:24 PM
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97. You just had to know those two crackers....
wouldn't approve of this.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:32 AM
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3. A lot of those people it would be expected of
But I was somewhat surprised to see Grassley's name in there. I realize he is a right winger, but he's an Iowan and, I thought, a basically decent guy.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:33 AM
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5. I'm a little surprised too....
Think I'll drop Chuck a letter, and ask him what the shizzle is.
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CATagious Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:34 AM
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7. I am SHOCKED....
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 11:34 AM by CATagious
shocked, I say, to see Trent Lott's name on there!

:sarcasm:
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:35 AM
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10. He Thinks That if We Were Still Openly Pro-Lynching
"we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years."
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:29 PM
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68. He may not have been present for the voice vote
That doesn't mean he was against it; just not there for it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:33 AM
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4. Disgusting
Interesting to see Voinovich on there. I noticed last night I didn't see my other rep Alexander. Disgusting pigs! There's even a woman on there!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:34 AM
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6. Doesn't really matter in the larger scheme of things....
who sits and who stands on this one. It's all about 50+ years too late.

Like MLK said in 1963....."The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.--Martin Luther King Jr.

The crisis passed long ago.

This is such cylophane PR bullshit, until it's not even funny! :shrug:
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:39 AM
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18. That's Kind of the Point Though
Here we are, in a moment of comfort and convenience, fifty years ahead of the game, the crisis long past, knowing now what we damn sure should have known then... and yet these guys STILL can't bring themselves to say "lynching is/was wrong!"

I mean, that's a whole new breed of racist-fuckism.



P.S. I'm trademarking that. Racist-fuckism™.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:54 AM
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37. I understand what you mean.....
But IF the Senate was standing up about what is happening in Darfur, or something...right about now, would be so much more productive.

IMO, the entire excercise in reference to Lynching is pointless. No-one gets brownie points from me on this one, IMO.

Certainly the ones that couldn't bring themselves to vote for it are lower than low....

but the ones that did, don't impress me that much more....not even one little bit.

The whole thing is a non-issue! :eyes:
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:01 PM
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61. Exactly. Even when it doesn't cost them anything they won't say it's wrong
I say beat them up politically with it like they are trying to take out Dean for pointing out the obvious!

Republicans - they can't even do the right thing one half century later.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:34 AM
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8. I'm surprised to see anyone's name here.
Good heavens, it's LYNCHING we're talking about, not shoplifting. How can you NOT OPPOSE LYNCHING?? Is the Klan that big of a voter bloc?
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:52 AM
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34. yeah- What happened to the "Culture of Life(tm)"
you chapeaux fashioned from the finest of gluteal material
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:10 PM
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63. Maybe it literally is a Culture of Life! Blastocysts are Cultured right?
?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:35 AM
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9. Chuck Grassley....IA...what the hell?
:wtf:?????
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:36 AM
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11. What a shock! All those Red state "Traditional American Values".
Can we get a divorce now?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:38 AM
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16. Lynching must be a traditional value.
:eyes:
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #11
19. No
Divorce is not a "Traditional American Value". :sarcasm:
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:37 AM
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12. Kent Conrad (D-ND)... huh?
What the fuck? :WTF:

I just find that hard to believe.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:47 AM
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28. Me too-
I like Kent. WTF!
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:50 AM
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31. I just sent him an email asking for an explanation
He better provide one. He is such a good guy, I just don't understand.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
56. Let us know what you hear back
I'm very surprised to see his name on that list, I really like him!

Julie
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CambridgeDem Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
71. Jesus
Is that that puke Sgt. Garner? Where did you get that picture??
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:26 PM
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59. Conrad was in the state working on base closures.
I know something of his DC staff, and it does not surprise me AT ALL that they bungled it by not passing it on to him.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #59
88. Well, can't he phone it in?
It's maybe not too late to join the list of cosponsors even now from what I read.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:43 PM
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89. He is going to join as a co-sponsor.
Is that worth a new thread?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:31 PM
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77. am in shock.....there must be a mistake, eh?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:44 PM
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90. ... just dropped him a note..
asking him how it feels to be the only democrat unwilling to go on record against lynching, and remarking that it is an interesting way to distinguish oneself.
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LouKYDem Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:37 AM
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13. List not surprising BUT...
I AM surprised to see that Mitch McConnell is NOT on that list, especially considering that his "voting partner" Bunning is on it.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:38 AM
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14. Thank God there is only 1 Dem
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 11:39 AM by Bush in Berkeley
and he's from ND, so I can't say that I'm surprised. I am surprised to see Gregg and Sununu from NEW HAMPSHIRE?!? Utah, Tennessee, Texas, Missouri, no surprises, but NH, what has this world come to? Are there that many racists in NH that they can't vote for this, why?

Also of note, Go Voinovich! Man you're really doing a great job of building support. I mean, between pissing off Republicans by siding against Bolton, and now pissing off Democrats by being pro-lynching, you have kinda taken away most of the middle ground there buddy.

Hahaha, these people should be lynched, they deserve it.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:42 AM
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23. .
"he's from ND, so I can't say that I'm surprised."
Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but us North Dakotans are not the racist people you seem to think we are. I am extremely surprised Conrad is on the list, he is a great man - before this. There must be some explanation.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #23
122. Didn't mean to bash your state,
sorry bout that. I don't hate ND people, I promise!
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:44 AM
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27. If I May Stereotype
Maybe they just figure there aren't any black people in New Hampshire.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:52 AM
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33. The thing that surprised me
was Frist isn't on the list. :shrug: I'm surprised he didn't drag Alexander over to him. Is his seat up next year? Maybe we can get two democrats in there. That would be nice even if one of them is a dino.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:38 AM
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15. What is Conrad doing on that list?
I know repukes are lower than pond scum, but there should be no "D's" on that list. For shame.

Interesting to note that George Allen (R for racist - VA) isn't on that list. He must have had one of those convenient pre-Presidential campaign conversions. Check his desk, though. That noose he used to display in his law office is in there somewhere.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:57 AM
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42. I think you've nailed Allen--if only Mark Warner could be convinced
to run against him. I think Warner would beat Allen in a tight race, but Warner apparently thinks he'd dislike legislative work.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:13 PM
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55. Just in case you haven't caught any
of my posts on the subject, I went to high school with Allen. He spraypainted the school one time with racist graffiti, was caught, and forced to publically apologize. He went on to keep a noose in his law office and put up a Confederate flag on his living room wall.

Far better qualified to be KKK Grand Wizard than a US Senator.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:04 PM
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81. yes, I've seen them--he's a real piece of work, isn't he?
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:39 AM
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17. who the hell is Kent Conrad?
and what the hell is his problem:shrug:
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:41 AM
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Well, there are racist democrats.
I'd say about one racist democrat for every 19 racist republicans probably reflects the average.

But then again, maybe the guy was just absent.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:11 PM
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94. True, but Kent Conrad isn't one of them. See post #59 above
The guy was out of town when the vote was taken. A poster in this thread says he'll co-sponsor the resolution after its approval--which I guess is something senators can do with stuff that no sane person would consider controversial.

I'm not sure all of those Republicans are "racists" either. Some Republicans are just physically incapable of saying "I'm sorry" after they've done something morally unconscionable.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:40 AM
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20. What will be Dean's take on this one
Only one idiot Democrat on the list.
I think he needs to name them all, incljuding the Demo.

Just let him slowly read the list on television during an interview.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:40 AM
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21. but this is not a white christian party, stop saying that
and for hte single D in there, SHAME ON YOU
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:41 AM
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22. Gregg, Sununu and Voinovich?
WTF? I think Voinovich wants out of politics anyway... maybe he's in a "I just don't care anymore" mode...?

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:43 AM
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26. Voinovich is trying to re-appeal to his base
after "dissenting" over a few issues and getting flamed by the righties . . .
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:51 AM
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32. i guess his base is pro-lynching.
i just moved to OH. Better watch my back.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:53 AM
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36. If he didn't care
he could've not voted.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
64. Sununu is just following his legacy from the 80s
Nothing new there.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:42 AM
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24. It's all about the money to those 20.
I think that in the back of their beady little minds they think that if we apologize that somehow it will enable lawsuits... I swear.. that has to be it. Because no one could be that heartless and cold, could they?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:42 AM
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25. Kent Conrad (D-ND)...what is his problem???
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 11:43 AM by whistle
...also George Voinovich (R-OH), the man who weeps on the senate floor because if John Bolton wins the nomination as UN Ambassador, he might be abusive to foreign UN delegates????? I'm really puzzled as to why George Voinovich can't muster enough compassion to apologize for this country's past segregationist attitudes and allowing the lynchings of so many blacks and African Americans.

Oh well, this group can now be known forever as the "Senate 20 Lynching-Masters". Read about what these 20 senators refuse to apologize for below:

<snip>
Lynching is the illegal execution of an accused person by a mob. The term lynching probably derived from the name Charles Lynch (1736-96), a justice of the peace who administered rough justice in Virginia. Lynching was originally a system of punishment used by whites against African American slaves. However, whites who protested against this were also in danger of being lynched. On 7th November, 1837, Elijah Parish Lovejoy, the editor of the Alton Observer, was killed by a white mob after he had published articles criticizing lynching and advocating the abolition of slavery.

After the establishment of the Ku Klux Klan in 1867 the number of lynching of African American increased dramatically. The main objective of the KKK was to maintain white supremacy in the South, which they felt was under threat after their defeat in the Civil War. It has been estimated that between 1880 and 1920, an average of two African Americans a week were lynched in the United States.

In 1884 Ida Wells, editor of Free Speech, a small newspaper in Memphis, carried out an investigation into lynching. She discovered during a short period 728 black men and women had been lynched by white mobs. Of these deaths, two-thirds were for small offences such as public drunkenness and shoplifting.

On 9th March, 1892, three African American businessmen were lynched in Memphis. When Ida Wells wrote an article condemning the lynchers, a white mob destroyed her printing press. They declared that they intended to lynch her but fortunately she was visiting Philadelphia at the time.

Unable to return to Memphis, Ida Wells was recruited by the progressive newspaper, New York Age. She continued her campaign against lynching and Jim Crow laws and in 1893 and 1894 made lecture tours of Britain. While there in 1894 she helped to establish the British Anti-Lynching Committee. Members included James Keir Hardie, Thomas Burt, John Clifford, Isabella Ford, Tom Mann, Joseph Pease, C. P. Scott, Ben Tillett and Mary Humphrey Ward.

<more>
<link> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAlynching.htm

http://www.umass.edu/complit/aclanet/ACLAText/USLynch.html

http://www.crf-usa.org/brown50th/lynching_america.htm

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1979/2/79.02.04.x.html
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:03 PM
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47. OK, now I get why they voted FOR lynching.
"" However, whites who protested against this were also in danger of being lynched. On 7th November, 1837, Elijah Parish Lovejoy, the editor of the Alton Observer, was killed by a white mob after he had published articles criticizing lynching and advocating the abolition of slavery. ""



Their dedication to These United States and the selfless, important work they perform on our behalf cannot be jeopardised by the fear that they, themselves would become eligible for lynching. Clearly, it was with a collective heavy heart that these bold band of brethren HAD to vote as they did. They were doing it for US.

Thanks, Lynch-20 :loveya:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:14 PM
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100. The senate 20 Lynch-masters I'm afraid represent at least 20%
...of all Americans or 60 million people, but they sure do not represent me!
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:49 AM
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29. I imagine the republicuns were quite happy that it was't all 'R's" on that
list of shame. Very happy, indeed.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:55 AM
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41. Watch them
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 11:56 AM by FreedomAngel82
go after this guy. It's one democrat and how many republicans? And the republicans are supposed to be reaching out to African-Americans? Ha! I'm ashamed of that one democrat but still. This is something that's surely going to bring African-Americans over to their side (NOT).
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:50 AM
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30. Kent Conrad has some 'splaining to do...
nt
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:54 AM
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38. I'd like to see an explanation for this, too...
"I rise to pay tribute to Senator John Ashcroft as he prepares to leave the Senate.... Senator Ashcroft has been a man of his word who served his state and his country with distinction. I join my collegues on both sides of the aisle in wishing him well in his future endeavors."

-Kent Conrad
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
124. post 59
He wasn't there apparently
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:52 AM
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35. I wonder how this will be reported on future Republican Freedom Calendars
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:54 AM
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39. My asshole senator is there. He is about to get a call.
Richard Shelby (R-AL)


Yeah, big surprise.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:55 AM
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40. WRONG
I don't know about the rest of your list, but I saw Kit Bond's name (MO) on the list of the first 60 bill co-sponsors.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SE00039:@@@P
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:09 PM
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72. Who are you going to believe, Kos or Congress's website?
There are a few other discrepancies besides Bond. Kos's list includes four names that were added to the official list of cosponsors last night:

(R-GA) Saxby Chambliss
(R-KY) Jim Bunning
(R-MO) Christopher Bond
(R-MT) Conrad Burns

Also, Kos omits five names that are missing from the official list as it stands now (Tuesday 3 pm NY time), including two more Democrats:

R-AZ Kyl, Jon
R-OR Smith, Gordon
R-TX Hutchison, Kay

D-NM Bingaman, Jeff
D-RI Reed, Jack

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1546879&mesg_id=1547287 for links to Thomas.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:09 AM
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120. I don't normally expect that intentional lies will be printed at the
Congressional website. And I don't even know what Kos' source is for his inormation. For me, if Bond's name is listed as an official co-sponsor, it means he endorses the idea, period. The effect is the same as having voted for it, as far as his constituents are concerned.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:58 AM
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43. Cornyn
Seems I read on some Yahoo news site that his name came up as a possible Supreme Court nominee when Rhenquist retires. Just perfect. This will probably seal the nomination for him.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:00 PM
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44. What's with Kent Conrad?
He's one of the best Senators around.

Why did he not vote for the resolution? I am suprised at this. Please keep me updated.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:05 PM
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49. First time I've EVER seen anything questionable about him.
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 12:07 PM by Judi Lynn
He has been more committed, harder working than almost any of them.

Surely there's a mistake here.

On edit:

Thanks to Beetwasher for getting this info. here so quickly. So much appreciated.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:09 PM
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62. He's been dealing with base closure stuff (VERY important)in-state
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 01:09 PM by geek tragedy
Certain individuals in his DC office, who shall not be named, need to work on their communications efforts (that's based on past experience).
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:28 PM
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67. Really! Thanks for the info. n/t
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #62
74. That excuse just won't do. Landrieu introduced this bill 4 MOS ago,
and the vast majority of Dems signed on in February. Conrad owes the 150 descendants of lynching victims who were in the gallery yesterday an explanation and a personal apology.

If there were more African-American voters in North Dakota, Conrad would have signed on right away. This seems like hubris, not forgetfulness.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:25 PM
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85. Do you have any idea how many bills are introduced?
It's not humanly possible to track each one.

Conrad was pre-occupied with real, current issues that have a direct effect on his constituents lives.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:02 PM
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45. Not to be an apologist...
but are we sure all these people were present for the vote? I'm rather surprised to see Lisa Murkowski's name on there. Even if she is a Republican, I can't see her deliberately not voting on this one.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:25 PM
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58. Wasn't it a voice vote, no roll call?
And Conrad did not co-sponsor the res.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:00 PM
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60. Excuse my stupidity, but what does that mean exactly? n/t
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #60
86. I think it means we don't have a roll call outcome to look at but,
this is better than any hunt-and-peck typed response by me

From Daily Kos:
...
"What we are talking about, and what we are angry about, is NOT who did or didn't vote for the resolution. In principle, NOBODY voted for the resolution and, at the same time, EVERYBODY did because it was passed "unanimously." What we are upset about is that you ALSO can "cosponsor" legislation before and AFTER it is voted on. Cosponsoring legislation is a way of showing your support the legislation, and usually your intention to vote for it. Apparently this resolution had 84 cosponsors, but 16 Senators refused to cosponsor it.

The question is therefore, why did Senator X refuse to cosponsor legislation, in essence, opposing lynching?

But it gets better. A senator can add themself as a cosponsor even AFTER a resolution is passed. That means the 16 hold-outs can STILL now add themselves as cosponsors of the resolution.

So why don't they?"
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:01 PM
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92. Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. n/t
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:03 PM
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46. what possible reasons would they have for voting against this ?
it is such a no-brainer, i figured everyone would be on the bandwagon.

is it the fear of lawsuits or they think there are greater sins to apologize for first ?
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:05 PM
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50. Not that they are a "White Christian Party" or anything
but Howard Dean is the mean one.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:21 AM
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128. Lynching IS a Christian activity.
I would believe that at least 80% of a Southern Lynch mob would consider themselves "christian". This is good traditional "family activity" best practiced after a prayer meeting.
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:07 PM
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52. nevermind i found out nt
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 12:09 PM by southernleftylady
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:07 PM
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53. Holy Racist Republicans, Batman! They're coming out of the woodwork
to spit in the faces of black america.

at least the racist idiots can't accuse the dems of bringing this up in an election year to gain votes.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:11 PM
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54. Way to go Saxby!! I knew there was a good reason we kicked that
traitor Max Cleland out of office. Yeefuckinhaa asshole.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:23 PM
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57. I would send them all one of those "lynching postcards"
...and ask them if this is what they condone, except the US Postal Service stopped delivering those ugly things in 1908!

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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:21 PM
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65. how about organizing a chorus to sing Strange Fruit in front of the
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #65
99. Sadly, most Republicans would only think it's a gay rights rally
It really is a haunting song.
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Sorwen Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:26 PM
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66. Kent Conrad is not a racist
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 01:32 PM by Sorwen
He's a very good Senator. The fact that he's on this list diminishes the meaning of this list because I know he would support the resolution. Just because he didn't cosponser it doesn't mean he didn't want a roll call vote on it, and it certainly doesn't mean that he opposed it or that he's pro lynching. Some of these Senators didn't want a roll call vote, but we can't assume that all of them felt this way. I would have to give Conrad the benefit of the doubt on this. It was probably just an honest mistake.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #66
87. Sorry, no excuses possible here. He's got something to be ashamed of...
From Daily Kos:

"But it gets better. A senator can add themself as a cosponsor even AFTER a resolution is passed. That means the 16 hold-outs can STILL now add themselves as cosponsors of the resolution.

So why don't they?"
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. Conrad is going to add himself as a co-sponsor.
The determination of people on the left to eat our own is infuriating.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:41 PM
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101. Thanks for that news, it's a relief
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 10:42 PM by confludemocrat
After so many caves on core issues by some Demos lately, especially the eating-of-their-own by the pink-tutu Demos Biden, Richardson, Edwards and Obama in attacking Dean, to not have a Democrat not be a cosponsor on this would have been a sore, sore embarassment, or indefensible to use 60s language.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:33 PM
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69. Bunning & Voinivich - No surprise
someone will have a GREAT ATTACK ad with this!!!!
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:35 PM
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70. Pat Roberts apparently signed at the last possible moment.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:13 PM
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73. Surprise, surprise...my guy's in here!
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 03:04 PM by deadparrot
Kit Fucking Bond.

:puke:
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:27 PM
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75. like the bill does anything in the first place???
the only purpose this "apology" serves is to clear the conscience of the Senate; nothing more, nothing less. just window dressing.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #75
82. Have you forgotten about the "nuclear option"? Nothing is more
important than preventing 55 Senate Republicans from staffing up the USSC with YOUNG reactionaries for the next 30 or 40 years.

One of the arguments the Rethugs were making to try to sell their destruction of the filibuster was that the filibuster is inherently racist. By failing to condemn truly racist use of the filibuster yesterday, 18 Rethugs have forfeited that argument. This was a GREAT propaganda victory for our side at a very crucial time.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #75
103. Think these 20 (or 18 or 19 now) think the same thing?
In other words I am not cosponsoring this because we should do more. Yeah right.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:27 PM
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76. according to this list
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 02:27 PM by marions ghost
it's about 50% Southern Senators vs. 50% Non-southern

What is their justification for opposing?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:31 PM
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78. WY. UT. MS. and NH. are double dippers
No suprises there :shrug:
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:46 PM
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79. Randi Rhodes is reading a different list right now
It includes Bingaman (D, NM) and some other D from Rhode Island. Some of the R's are different, too. Whose list is correct?
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Beetwasher's list in the lead-in came from Kos, who appears to
have slipped up today. Kos's list includes four Rs who co-sponsored at the last moment, and excludes 3 Rs and 2 Ds who never made the official list. See post #72 above.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:15 PM
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83. KOS CLEARS IT UP: 16 Senators on the WALL OF SHAME!!!!!
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

http://dailykos.com
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #83
96. hmm, conrad's still on the list...
perhaps he's suffering from an impacted gallstone and cannot make it to sign this bill...

anything excuse of a less magnitude would be... disgraceful.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:19 PM
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84. thanks beetwasher
for getting this to us :thumbsup:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:04 PM
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93. Conrad - DINO?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:31 PM
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98. To quote Geek Tragedy (from post #89)...
"The determination of people on the left to eat our own is infuriating." The Dino label gets tossed around far too flippantly.
Let's leave the hy-sterics to our opponents.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:51 PM
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102. So when big-foot Demos don't live up to Demo core values, they get a pass?
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 10:55 PM by confludemocrat
And/or they gratuitously criticize sincere, honest good faith words or actions of people like Dean, they should remain above criticism themselves?

And cosponsoring an anti-lynching resolution by another Democrat is a pretty core value.

But better late than never. I can see why Conrad might have overlooked it. He is from a state where minorities are a curiosity and getting educated about Civil Rights might not have been high on the priority list of ND schools. Or something like that.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:15 PM
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95. Chickenshit pieces of scum
I think many of them did it out of fear that they would piss off their base, in addition to their own racism. This is getting publicity I bet they didn't count on, and it will bite them in the ass.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:56 PM
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104. Trent Lott... I thought he'd be one of them.
Nope. Doesn't surprise me one bit.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:03 PM
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105. This is terribly dangeous ground to be treading upon
First, the RW want to vilify the filibuster at all costs.

Every time an anti-lynching bill cam up it was killed by democrats. I realize that it was the age of "the solid south" and "russell of georgia" and those folks are now repubs, but as history is written the folks that drove the filibusters were democrats.

So, when Scalia is put up for Chief Justice, and he is filibustered, they will say this is the same party that killed anti-lynching laws.

We are walking into it again.
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Amused67 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:11 PM
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106. My God, don't you 'get it' yet?
What's the point of this resolution?

To apologize that dead or near-dead representatives from some long ago DEMOCRATIC Congress didn't pass a law to outlaw lynching, which, by the way, was already illegal in every state in the union?

Can anyone say kidnapping, assault, battery and murder?

It's this 'touchy feely feel-good' shit that has made the Republicans a majority party. We debate resolutions and see who can out-PC who, while they win elections.

Surely I can't be the only one here who recognizes this???????

Somedays I'm just ashamed to still be a Democrat. It seems we've become one large collective pussy.

HELP!! I'M WAIVERING!!!


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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. Sure you are...
Go kill a gay whale.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. LOL !!! - Hmm... First Post From The Male From Utah...
Dude needs to get out more.

LOL!!!

:shrug:
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Amused67 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. It Ain't Easy
Being a Democrat in Utah...

But... I do think Utah Democrats have a much firmer grip on reality than many of our national counterparts.
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Amused67 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. Yeah, you got it right...
While our party drifts further and further into fantasy land, we have a Republican in the White House, a Republican Senate, a Republican House, and really soon, a Republican judiciary.

Wow... Our strategy is really working well...

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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really annoyed Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #106
115. You Need To Calm Down
Um, the modern-day Democratic party has nothing to do with the old Democratic party.

Funny, lynching was illegal, but nobody put a stop to it.

And last time I checked, Republicans and Democrats passed this resolution.

And of course, this is a message board. We can throw fits about things here that we can't in real life.

Maybe you need to lighten up. Us throwing a fit about this resolution isn't going to affect anything. It's nice to be able to blow off steam.

I'm sorry, but I don't find you very amusing. If you are throwing a fit about a post like this, I don't see you lasting very long. Welcome to DU.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #106
119. Dude, You Are Amusing, Amusingly Ignorant
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 08:42 AM by Beetwasher
Ummm, the Senate does stupid shit like this all the time. You think this is a DEM strategy only??? What fucking planet do you live on?

Actually, this is a good propoganda ploy by the Dems. Anyone w/ half a brain can see how the Repubs who didn't sign on can be clobbered as racist fuckheads, especially after Dean called them the all White Male Xtian Party. This is smart politics and positioning by the Dems. I only hope they use it properly and loudly.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:17 AM
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111. Ooooooooooh, I wish I was is the land of cotton
hometown of asshole, racist, WASP, Repuke scumbags! Kenneth Lay, Kenneth Lay, Kenneth Lay.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #111
113. That's real nice, but just in case it may have slipped your notice....
...only seven were from the South and none were Democrats. The other twelve Republicans are from the Midwest, West, and Northeast.

And the last time I read something about this list, Kent Conrad (D-ND), had joined the good guys.
===================

SOUTH:
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
===================

MIDWEST:
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
George Voinovich (R-OH)
===================

WEST:
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
===================

NORTHEAST:
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
John Sununu (R-NH)
====================


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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #113
114. True... But It Mimicks This Map Pretty Damn Good !!!


I don't know what to say about New Hampshire.

:shrug:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:02 AM
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116. The sad thing is, they will get away with it.
nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #113
118. Amazing how many people around here can't fucking count.
But hey, why let a little thing like the truth interfere with the joys of self-righteousness?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:26 AM
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112. hmmmmmm Kent Conrad ND dem... What is wit him?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:11 AM
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121. I heard that Conrad signed on.
All clear.

--IMM
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:27 PM
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123. Yes he did, wasn't there on Friday... LOL All clear!
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:51 AM
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117. Here's a baby picture of one of their fathers.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:24 AM
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125. kick
:kick:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:27 AM
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126. kick n/t
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:58 AM
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127. kick
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:43 AM
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129. Jim Bunning did sign according
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SE00039:@@@P


If you sort by date, you'll see some "Johnny Come Latelies":

Sen McConnell, Mitch - 6/13/2005
Sen Bunning, Jim - 6/13/2005
Sen Martinez, Mel - 6/13/2005
Sen Burns, Conrad R. - 6/13/2005
Sen DeWine, Mike - 6/13/2005
Sen Dole, Elizabeth - 6/13/2005
Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV - 6/13/2005
Sen Thune, John - 6/13/2005
Sen Wyden, Ron - 6/13/2005
Sen Warner, John - 6/13/2005
Sen Baucus, Max - 6/13/2005
Sen Roberts, Pat - 6/13/2005
Sen Chafee, Lincoln - 6/13/2005
Sen Sessions, Jeff - 6/13/2005
Sen Bond, Christopher S. - 6/13/2005
Sen Chambliss, Saxby - 6/13/2005
Sen Isakson, Johnny - 6/13/2005
Sen Inhofe, James M. - 6/13/2005
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