Yesterday, my boss, who is a Republican and I got into a

[EC]

"discussion" on politics, and he tells me I only see things the way I do because "I Hate Bush" - now I know this is their usual talking point, so it pissed me off, to hear him say that. I asked him why I hate Bush, is it because of his smirk, or he's ugly, or just because he's Republican. Then I said, there is a reason, and that in all the years he has known me, did he ever hear me say I hated someone, or behaved in such a manner that would make him think I hated someone? He said no, that I'm even civil to people he know's I don't "like". So I repeated, then why would I hate Bush? He couldn't answer...so I told him, it's because this man is stealing the country blind, making MY life hell with his policies, making MY gay daughters life hell and dangerous with his policies and hateful agenda, and making MY elderly Mothers' life hell with his policies, putting my nephews lives in danger with his war for personal gain, killing and torturing people in my name, handing my tax money over to scam artist TV evangelists - whom I wouldn't send one red cent on my own and ruining our country...so what's there to HATE? Of course, he still didn't get it, so I was wondering, if any of you have a comeback when they rant at us, well, you just hate Bush?

[dogday]

1. If you support your President, then sign up for war or if you are too

old, sign your children up for war. That is the way you support your President if you believe in what he is doing, then do it. I on the other hand do not believe in his politics and thus choose not to support the cause of war....

[EC]

13. Yeah, we've gone through this

too, about his grandkids probably being drafted, of course, he says it'll never happen...

[dogday]

19. Being drafted, don't they support Bush? Should they not be on

the battlefied now praising Bush's name? He said there will never be a draft, but he does not believe enough in the cause to support the war by having his own family join?

[EC]

20. No, his kids are very strong Democrats and Greens

drives him crazy...

[salin]

75. ask him if he has heard bush officials proclamations

about the "threats" against Syria, Iran and North Korea. Ask him if they don't sound somewhat familiar (ala build up before Iraq). Ask him how they would "man" any of these actions at a time when we are not meeting recruitment goals? The point - it is easy to dismiss with the "it will never happen" due to the belief that it would be political suicide to do so - however folks like your boss have to start listening to the current rhetoric and asking themselves... "just HOW would they plan to man /pay for this?"

Let them start sowing their own seeds of doubt. Because if the rhetoric keeps up there are two inevitable "it will never happen" situations - starting another war (on trumped up charges) which they can not man or pay for - OR starting another war and then starting a draft to man that war.

[bullimiami]

2. maybe he only sees things the way he does because his head is

up bushs ass so far he cant see reality.

[NoSheep]

3. Good reply. I'm surprised you can talk to your boss that way.

Good for you.:applause:

[Devlzown]

4. RWers hated Clinton for no good reason, so

they think we don't have any reasons for hating Bush.

[iconoclastNYC]

14. Excellent, excellent point! The P in GOP is for PROJECTION!

[drdtroit]

48. "The P in GOP is for PROJECTION!"

Damn, I always thought it stood for Plutocracy, as in:

GOP = Government of Plutocracy

[EC]

15. Good point, but I've got the idea

they were jealous of him and that's where their hatred lied.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. I want to know what there is about him that I should like.

I've asked Republicans why they like Bush, and they always have trouble answering -- it's usually something like, well, he's not as bad as Clinton, or something stupid like that. So turn it around on your boss -- ask him, so why do you like Bush so much; why should I like him? What's he done for you or me or the country? Has he made us better off, or safer, or richer? If you think he has, Mr. Boss, give me some examples. I bet he can't give you a halfway coherent response to that; I haven't met one yet who could.

[Ysolde]

10. That's the perfect answer.

Make them explain what Bush and the Republicans have EVER done for them. They can't do it. They will not be able to come up with a single thing (unless the OPer's boss is the CEO of a multi-national corp).

The sad thing is that giving our examples of rising hunger and poverty and health insecurity doesn't seem to sway a lot of people. It really seems to boil down to it hasn't affected them personally, so they don't care. So sad.

[iconoclastNYC]

16. All they can say is : "he cut taxes"

Bribe the rubes and they'll support you. Nevermind that every other form of taxation had to go up to maintain essential services.

[abluelady]

31. Cutting Taxes When We're At War

A genius, right? Having a moron in the White House hurts all Americans in some way. Unfortunately, so many people can't see the forest for the trees.

[iconoclastNYC]

39. Exactly. And I would add

Cutting taxes for people who don't work for a living, while making it hard for people who do work to get by.

Estate Tax.....total giveaway to the rich. Before it was abolished it only ever affected people with "death windfalls" of over 1 million or above. http://www.t-b.com/88.html

Divided Tax....another give away to the rich. Very few people in this country own stocks. Again Divident Tax cut is another tax giveaway for the rich.

# The financial wealth of the top one percent of households now exceeds the combined wealth of the bottom 95 percent.
# The wealth of the Forbes 400 richest Americans grew by an average $940 million each from 1997-1999 while over a recent 12-year period the net worth of the bottom 40 percent of households declined 80 percent.
# For the well-to-do, that's an average increase in wealth of $1,287,671 per day. If that were wages earned over a 40-hour week, that would be $225,962 an hour or 43,876 times the $5.15 per hour minimum wage.
# The Federal Reserve found in its latest survey of consumer finances that although median family net worth rose 17.6 percent between 1995 and 1998, family wealth was "substantially below" 1989 levels for all income groups under age 55.
# From 1983-1997, only the top five percent of households saw an increase in their net worth while wealth declined for everyone else.
# As of 1997, the median household financial wealth (marketable assets less home equity) was $11,700, $1,300 lower than in 1989.

http://www.sharedcapitalism.org/scfacts.html

[hfojvt]

45. very nice, except Bush said that 50% of Americans own stock

which is probably true, but quite irrelevant, because 'since 1% of the population owns 39% of the wealth, and 20% of the population owns 84% of the wealth it is a clear fact that the people who own most of the wealth will get most of the benefits.'

[iconoclastNYC]

71. Another great point

And why I think the Democratic party should propose tax relief targeted for the lower class and lower-middle class.

American will be stronger if these two classes are stronger.

We must invest in our future by providing resources to our citizens that aid them in the succesful rearing of children.

I propose direct aid for stay at home mothers, free childcare, free child healthcare, significant increases in public education, funding for private education programs including remedial studies or alternative single-course studies, increased funding for childen sport leagues, music and art enrichment programs, summer camps, community theatre, field trips, nature and hiking expeditions, debating, foreign languague study, and most of all, child-rearing mentorship programs for parents.

I believe Education can make the difference between a good parent and a great parent.

If we build community, and increase communication between experienced parents and novice parents, if we provide the overworked and underesources who are stuggling with parenthood, a little help, we can provide improved childhoods to millions of our future citizens. If these programs are even marganally successful we would have succeded in fundamentally improve America's competitiveness on the global stage.

The rich will not suffer if thier share of the wealth does not continue to grow for eternity. They must be made to pay thier fair share and those monies invested.

Some would call this class warfare. And it is. We didn't start this war, and we will not win it. But capitulation is not an option.

The class war in which the elite have been winning for all time, is poision all of humanity.

The Internet is injecting the activist left with a much needed booster of boldness, ambition, optimism, and outspokeness. Hopefully this levels the playing field and the people can start beating back the forces of fratacidal greed.

[EC]

17. His answer would be they're all alike anyway

and he's always voted Republican, so that's how it'll stay...I couldn't hold my tongue and called him an old fool...I saw him bite the inside of his cheek, but he didn't reply...

[Ysolde]

28. At least he lets you talk to him like that

and keep your job! And, it doesn't sound like he's managed to convince his heirs that they should behave that way so it's not so bad, right?

[EC]

32. That's his one saving grace... n/t

[tnlefty]

51. Just ask for 3 thrings that are better than when Dimson** first

took office. I couldn't find any who could, but then they turned around and voted for him the second time.

[ProfessorGAC]

76. That's What I Say Too!

"You just hate Bush." I ask "What is it i'm supposed to like?" No matter what they say, there is ALWAYS a simple one line rejoinder.

"He's honest." "He told us Iraq had WMD's, now he says they didn't."

"He's a good man." "He was an alcoholic, womanizer who never worked a day in his life."

"He's found Jesus." "That's what he says, but i see no evidence of it."

"He's protecting the nation." "You mean like on September 11th?"

It can go on like this, but they've really got nothing.
The Professor

[malmapus]

6. Ask him how can he stand to watch the TV

when they bring up the latest count of casualties, and not hate the man that put our soldiers in harms way over a bold faced lie. Thousands of young American lives ruined (let alone the Iraqi's but he probaly doesn't care about them) and all for personal gain.

Then again you made a good argument yourself and as you said he still didn't get it, he probaly never will.

[EC]

26. This started over Gitmo

he asked me if I was "one of those" who thinks we shouldn't be torturing prisoners. I said yes, I'm "one of those" and further more since they released 234 or so, of the "prisoners" after subjecting them to 2 years of torture and cages, that we know for a fact they weren't all terrorists. He said he doesn't believe that, that if they are there they are terrorists. I said that he knows better than that, and what is he going to do, when he's at the Gates and ST. Peter asks him about his allowing the killing and torture in his name, that he "just didn't know"? He said yes, that as far as he's concerned all of them down there are getting what they deserved. The same for the "innocent Iraqi's" to him there are no innocent Iraqi's not even the kids. So, I'm of the mind to think that many of the Republicans have this same bigoted and blind head-set...

[malmapus]

38. Its soo amazing how easily they contradict their feelings

America is suppose to be the home of the free and land of the brave, we're the good guys. Well if thats the case then we should uptold that little thing called the Generva Convention that we signed ourselves into. I get so sick when I bring it up and Republicans go "well terrorists didn't sign it."

I'm like "BUT WE DID SIGN IT!!"

I'm sorry but if we are protectors of freedom and democracy we would keep to the high road and abide by the rules we sign into in regards to torture.

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. "...I only see things the way I do because "I Hate Bush"..."

Close, but just a little backwards.

I only "hate bush" becasue I see things the way I do.

[politicaholic]

8. "Don't hate the player, hate the game"...

I wouldn't isolate my hatred on just one man. That wouldn't be fair. I evenly spread it across the whole administration and their constituants. The lies and deceit are multi layered.

[dave502d]

9. Why are they so blind. n/t

[Kurovski]

11. Recommended

What a great come back...truth!

What did your boss say when you were done pointing out reality?

[EC]

30. He said he doesn't see it the same as I do

that Bush is going to go down as one of the greatest Presidents ever...and that he gets all his news from Rush and believes him. Of course I told him Rush is not a newscaster, but an entertainer who lies. He said if he lied, he wouldn't be on the air, so I laughed at him, and just turned back to my work...

[OnionPatch]

63. If he lied

he wouldn't be on the air??!! :rofl: I almost fell out of my chair. What planet is that guy living on?

[MadisonProgressive]

64. What a friggin maroon your boss is!

:rofl:

[NYPagan]

12. Why reply, when you can...

Screw with his business? Forget an order here, misplace a fax there. Why is it that all friggin business owners are republicans? It makes it hard to shop at right thinking establishments!

[iconoclastNYC]

18. I trust you are joking. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. UGH! what a very undemocratic suggestion. nt

[EC]

22. Enough businesses are closing, which in turn eliminates

jobs already, I don't think sabotaging my job right now would be a good idea, I'm pushing it already with our "little talks".

[Somawas]

23. Iusually try going through a list of Republican values, like:

Republicans believe in small government. How has Bush shrunk the size of the Federal gov.?

Republicans are usually fiscally conservative. How is Bush's deficit fiscally conservative? or prudent?

Historically, Republicans are opposed to things like involvement in overseas wars, long occupations and nation-building. In fact, during the 2000 debates, Bush said he opposed using the military for "nation building." Now let's talk about Iraq...

You don't sell Pepsi by calling Coke drinkers stupid. So I try the "What would Ike do" approach. Never found a Republican voter yet who will disagree with a list of traditional republican values like these. And most republican voters won't argue the PNAC line.

Traditional conservatives believe in a lot of things lots of us can support. Like not spending a billion a day on the Iraq war, that we had no business getting into in the first place.

The only argument I've heard that is hard to come back against with traditional republican values is that "Bush is a godly man" or has promised to "put God in charge." Apart from "God ain't supposed to be in charge," according to the Constitution, the best answer to that one is to start reading the Beatitudes, ask what he's done about that. Jesus did think mighty highly of the poor for example.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

56. To that I would respond with

Godly huh. Do Godly people often schmmoze with porn stars?

I actually used that one myself today.

"Hey, did anyone see the news clips of Mary Carey at the lunch with the President yesterday? I didn't know they were friends. Hmmmmm..... learn something new every day"! Think she also knows Frist and DeLay?

Godly indeed.



Note: I have nothing against porn stars or porn for that matter. I just find it quite comical to see Mary Carey slutting it up for the cameras at Gods fundraiser. And I especially like to the looks on the other Godly republicans faces when you bring it up.

[Kurovski]

59. Jesus didn't judge or cast out prostitutes,

so I guess that would be their response.

However, Jesus did cast out hypocrites and ranted quite a bit on that count.

[stanwyck]

24. Give him the DU treatment

always works. Talk over his head. It's easy. Keep bringing up (as you did) as many specifics, facts, references as you can. Bury him in information. He won't be able to admit he doesn't know about the Plame/Novak treason. Or who the PNAC are. Or who The Carlyle Group is. Hammer him on the DSM. Talk about the lack of ethics of Frist and DeLay. Ask if it matters. Refer to Supreme Court decisions. To Supreme Court nominees. He won't know who you're talking about...he'll resort to platitudes (like Bush does) and patriotic rah-rah. That's all he's got.
But he'll begin to feel, maybe, a little ashamed. A little anxious about his ability to rebut you on an equal basis.
Let these bullies know we're fighting back.
With the facts.

[EC]

34. Before the election

His daughters and I did hit him with all that and more...we did manage to make him feel stupid, which was probably where we went wrong since stupid people voted for Bush**....

[stanwyck]

41. Ah, Bush, the champion

of the uninformed and pigheaded. Making it acceptable not to do your homework. Even "patriotic". Only leftists bother to study.

[Somawas]

43. Why would youmake him feel stupid?

I don't think you make friends or converts by making them feel stupid. You make converts by using the plentiful info available to show them that * does not support them or their values, but is a radical playing them for fools.

[Kurovski]

62. Feeling stupid is a good sign.

Feeling stupid is always a helpful guide. It has been for me. It points out the problem areas that need work.

The destructive thing is when embracing one's stupidity is considered a plus. Since the Reagan era, ignorance has been promoted as a virtue. It is now called "common sense" even when it flies in the face of reason, facts amd decency. It is one of the ways the RW has made such remarkable political inroads.

Of course, personally and purposefully humiliating someone is a different story. But when confronted with my own ignorance, I will naturally "feel stupid."

[Catherine Vincent]

25. They say that because they hated Clinton for no reason.

So they think we're the same way.

[KnowerOfLogic]

27. Ask him to name *one* good thing that's happened to America on Bush's watc

watch.

[kittenpants]

29. exactly, someone tell me ONE good thing bush has done!

other than motivating us to get his ass out of office.

[blm]

33. Because he is the type of president who, when handed the HartRudman Report

on Global Terror on Jan 30, 2001, refused to even read it let alone implement its urgent proposals for homeland security. Cheney and Rice refused to read it, too.

Why would ANYONE want a president like that? Why does your boss want a president like that?

There's a reason why the city most effected by terrorism and the people most concerned with studying the issue voted 85% for Kerry. NYC couldn't afford Bush to remain in office.

[EC]

35. Oh, yeah, he also said that Clinton had 5 warnings about

al Quida and didn't do anything...I told him to check his facts on that one, that Clinton made terrorism and al Quida, one of his top priorities and even warned * and Condi about it when they came into office, and that * was specifically warned about "Bin Lauden determined to attack within the United States" he said he didn't believe it because Rush said it was Clinton that ignored the warnings...

[Straight Shooter]

40. If Rush said Clinton ignored the warnings, then * ignored them, too.

They can't isolate what Clinton did without pulling bush into it, too. The warnings were there. Whether Clinton ignored them or not is academic. Clinton was not in the Oval Office on August 6, 2001. (Well, for that matter neither was bush.)

But bush is the one who had the specific warning: "Bin Laden determined to strike in United States." Clinton had warnings, but they were vague. And Clinton had John O'Neill who was our top terror expert. Who got rid of O'Neill, who was in charge of the FBI? I think that was bush's buddy, Mr. Fry. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, I'm on a rant. The point being: How does Clinton doing something wrong excuse bush doing something wrong? Clinton wasn't in charge, bush was. Case closed.

[blm]

46. Clinton commissioned a comprehensive terror report that took 2 1/2 YEARS

to complete and Bush refused to read it when it was finally completed and handed to him on Jan 30, 2001. A two and a half year study which also proposed URGENT measures for homeland security.

If Clinton, Gore or Kerry had been president, they would have read it IMMEDIATELY and called for implementation of its urgent security measures.

Your boss would have to be a total nimrod to try and refute that.

[Supersedeas]

36. people who rant "you just hate Bush" could care less how rational your

retort is...they just want to see you TRY to justify what they will never disassociate themselves from EMOTIONALLY.

Their response to logically criticism is to sip carbonated water and smile...they don't hear it. We have to realize this simple point:

Some people can never be reasoned with--a sad but grounded truth.

In conclusion, the best retort to the "you just hate Bush rant" is:

"Well, maybe." (Let them seethe on your lack of further explanation.)

[EC]

37. Yeah, I think he baits me, just to see me rant

because the times that I just ignore him, he just keeps on baiting...

[Jade Fox]

65. Maybe you should stop arguing with him....

and just tell him you're too concerned with the fate of our country to keep
falling for his baiting and getting into pointless discussions with him about
it. If you stuck to your guns it might give him serious pause, which it sounds
like he needs. It sounds like he uses both you and his kids as a kind of
entertainment/attention getting/revenge devise. Starve the game.

[EC]

68. For the last few months, I'd just say

I'm right, you're wrong, and not discuss whatever he would come in baiting me with...or tell him he's putting his faith in a man that isn't a Republican like what he identifies with...but I was in a confrontational mood, (I get these little rebellious moods now and then), so he just happened to say the words that set the hook - "one of those".


I only keep trying just to find what it would be to make his type question what "his" president is doing, and to stop believing in him...He did take pause at the faith based initiatives, he doesn't like those Sunday shysters anymore than I do, so he was very angry that * is giving them our money...

[fob]

42. When he says "You hate bush*"

Your reply is, "only because I Love America".

A tad on the sickly-sweet side and severely surpasses your quite well thought out and perfectly reasonable arguments above, but republicks don't HEAR facts. They are tuned in to "sickly-sweet America-right-or-wrong" propaganda and when you phrase it like that they will be forced to recall their top 5 talking points and it will conflict with #3 (Liberals HATE America) and might actually cause a synapse or two to fire. We can only hope.

Edit for itchy posting finger: DO NOT elaborate, just walk away. Let him shout or whatever but don't give him the opening to question your concern for OUR Country, repeat if necessary but don't explain. The explanation is OBVIOUS (see your reasons above) but the republick must take that journey on his own to see the light.

[EC]

49. I like it...

on the devious meter, it's rated as an Edger Allan Poe....

[alcuno]

55. I NEVER say his name.

I should have been kicked off a Catholic board I'm on long ago but I only rail against the "government" and never say *'s name.

[EC]

70. I used to do this with a client that comes in to visit

once in a while, with donuts...She's a Republican, but I think she's one of those that are because their husband/wife/mother/father/whoever was, so I think she can be swayed, and I think she is pretty much an Independant now. But that is how it started, I'd say government, instead of *, now it's far enough along, I can identify how something all of a sudden became law, and she "gets" it. It took a long time just to get her to realize that the Republicans have had almost complete control since 96, it didn't even click with her that they now are in total control and still can't get anything good done. Things she has been waiting for too, like heathcare (she's a business owner and has to buy her own) or more money for school's, since she now is trying to get an addition on her daughter's school and can't get the referemdum passed (voted on 3 times already) because the Republicans here (and everywhere I suspect) want to freeze property taxes(this would end up starving any social program) and it angers people to hear about taxes going up so much that they vote against anything that may increase them. So she at least is starting to see the connections and why policy is important, and why whoever is in charge of the House and Senate decides what policies go to the floor and what doesn't and how that really works. (Like when Bush says he's giving money to Africa for AIDS and Delay says don't worry, they'll never get it, because it'll never get on the floor at the Senate, since he's in charge of the Senate. )


Sorry, I ranted again........ :rant:

[hfojvt]

44. I said this previously about the hate

" Finally, he (Joseph Perkins) ends his hate-filled column by once again insinuating that we are traitors - "Their opposition, their criticism is fuel not so much by reason, but by hatred - toward their president or toward their country."
That would be an interesting test. If Bush tried to: raise the minimum wage, help the unemployed and working poor, protect the environment, prosecute corporate crimes, appoint moderates as judges and cabinet members, enhance civil liberties, raise taxes on the top 5%, tell the truth and admit his mistakes, call for more cooperation and less vitriol, or try to create peace - if he did some of that, would we still hate him? Please try it, Mr. President.
Could Perkins point to some of Bush's positive accomplishments instead of bashing Bush's critics? Does Perkins think it is wrong to hate a President who lies to us? Is it wrong to write: "And it is because of the sum total of his transgressions ... that is no longer fit to occupy this nation's highest office." or "And your man, the president, is a scoundrel of historic rank."
Certainly that is what we believe when we read David Corn's 'The Lies of George W. Bush,' but those two quotes were written on 9-18-98 and 8-18-98 as part of the odious oeuvre of Joseph Perkins - an apostle of a gospel of hate."

I hate Bush because I hate his policies, and his lies, and his bullying.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Very nice reply

You told him what was on your heart.

[EC]

50. Thanks,

his daughters and I try so hard to get him to understand, but I'm getting exasperated.

[Disturbed]

53. It is a waste of time and energy...

to argue with dittoheads. A response would be that you don't hate w or anyone else and tell him that you do not wish to debate any politics with him. You might tell him that you wish to focus on your job and ways to make the business more successful. Arguing will never result in anything productive. They are cult members and never use logic. No amount of facts will change their progamming. They are cyborgs.

[Mr_Spock]

52. I hate bush because I am pretty sure he works for Satan

Bush was duped out of his soul by Satan (because he is a fucking imbecile) and he new "programming" is to take over the planet by selling God whilst doing the deeds of the Devil. It's a nice arrangement according to what I hear from Satan's deciples...

[MichiganVote]

54. The die-hard Bush supporters react toward dissent like

Bush is a member of their family. Makes no sense. If I said, hey, I hate your daughter, depending on your temperment you might get upset with me or you might ask why and hear me out. These people react uniformerly. They do what every sick family has done for every sick family member - they deny IT, they deny You,and they deny Themselves the chance to know why you hate Bush.

Crazy. So you hate Bush, so what?

[MrMickeysMom]

57. I tend to agree with those who say

you can't reason with those people. I've had lots of experience with co-workers... mostly Republicans, mostly getting their sound bites from the local "talking pointed header" which here in the Pittsburgh area is some idiot referred to as "Quinn in the Morning". These people who refuse to use more than the tiny part of their brain do better if you (in your immediate work environment) hang up a really interesting political cartoon (Doonesberry, Boondocks, or some such thing).

:banghead:

[EC]

72. I've done that too... n/t

[Ignoramus]

58. Ask him to justify his claim that you just hate bush

It's one of those remarks that drives me nuts, because I think it's literally an incomplete thought. You have to actually be half-witted to say it.

Is he (are they) saying that you don't have any reasons behind your gripe, other than a personal dislike of bush? No. If that's what they thought, they would include that information in their comment. For example, they would say "all your comments focus on some personal quality of bush, never a specific gripe".

I'm assuming your comments include specific gripes, and not just a liberal variation on what the fascist fodder repeat, i.e. not "Bush sucks! Bush is a pinko commie fag who hates your freedom (or whatever the confused liberal variation would be)"

I think they are all following someone's plan to preemptively mirror criticisms of themselves in order to take the power away from the argument. The right's attacks on liberals are generally personal in nature, because they don't have anything else to cite aside from naked bigotry, so they attack liberals for what they are guilty of. Another example of this is attacking liberals for being hateful.

[anotherdrew]

60. tell him he must LOVE bush and wants to be just like him

Anything he agree's with bush on, tell him it's not for any logical reason, it's cause he just can't help it cause he loves bush and wants to marry him.

[anotherdrew]

61. then...

eventually he'll say your position is wrong, and he supports him for logical reasons, then you have him. He'll then have to admit that you may actually have a reasoned point

[mitchum]

66. Rob that pig blind!

Class war begins in the workplace

[stevans_41902]

67. In my experience it is impossible to talk any sense whatsover into their

polluted heads. They always retort by repeating something said by Hannity, Limbaugh or O'Leilly. No matter how insane they sound they still act like you are the one "lied to by the liberal controlled media." When Ann Coulter came to our school and people were protesting by making signs with exact quotes from her the repubs all blasted that they were taking her quotes out of context. WTF?!?

[IdaBriggs]

69. Laugh at him, and tell him he's GULLIBLE.

Every time he baits you, offer to sell him a bridge. A little pointing and laughing is also fun. "Yeah, and Fox is fair and balanced!" should always be said with tears of laughter rolling down your face. Then thank him for his sense of humor, because you KNOW he isn't THAT STUPID. :evilgrin:

[stickdog]

73. I always ask them to name ONE good thing Bush has done for this country

that doesn't include WAR, trashing the Bill of Rights or giving huge tax breaks to the rich.

Just one.

Most are stumped right there.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

74. Ever read the book Talking to Prozac?

[whosinpower]

77. It is very easy to rebutt -

Simply say you do not hate Bush, per se.....it is his policies that you abhor. And that, my friend, is the total, utter truth.