I, for one, don't think that Limbaugh is gay.

[Cyrano]

He's thrown out coy hints that Hillary is a lesbian, but never actually uttered those words. Well, I guess we Dems can play that same game.

I've never seen any actual proof that Rush is gay, however, who really knows what someone's sexual orientation is. And lacking any proof, we must assume that Rush is straight.

Of course, the fact that he's been married three different times raises some possible questions, but who are we to judge.


The foregoing is the type of innuendo and bullshit that Limbaugh and other wingnuts have been using to discredit Hillary in the minds of homophobes, morons, and rednecks who will sell their pet pig and contribute the money to Pat Robertson or James Dobson.

It's time we started fighting fire with fire. So I for one, don't believe that Rush showed up at the Mardi Gras in drag.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Don't expect me to kick this thread

and perpetuate salacious in-U-end-O like Rush does. That would be exceedingly poor form.

[BigBearJohn]

8. Isn't that what they call an italian suppository? an in-u-end-o

[TheDebbieDee]

22. Hahahahahahahaha!

[Kikosexy2]

2. I think ...

he and Bill Oh Really cross dress at home.

[yankeedem]

3. And he's never had any kids

"Some people say" that he was arrested in 1972 for ahem "lewd acts" in a Pittsburgh park known for gay cruising. It must be true, he has never denied it.

How is that, can I be a Fox news droid?

[walldude]

4. I was at a local pride fest

and I saw a guy that looked exactly like Rush, except he was wearing a dress. A disguise maybe??

[BuelahWitch]

44. YUCK!

Limpballs would make one UGLY trannie! :puke:

[Name removed]

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[Gildor Inglorion]

6. Honey, Limpballs ain't PURTY enough to be gay!

I can think of no greater fright than seeing his bloated, pale carcass in drag. The horror...the horror...

:scared: ;(

[Arugula Latte]

7. Well I heard he has a tiny, shriveled, gherkin-like member

It's in inverse proportion to his gigantic ego.

[postulater]

13. That's strange, I didn't hear the same thing!

[Fight_n_back]

9. I refuse to help spread rumors that Bush is gay

It would be beneath our dignity as Democrats to pass on rumors of that kind just because a gay escort visited the White House on over 200 occasions and the President's best friend is openly gay.

It would be the worst kind of gutter politics and only a cad would be involved in such a thing.

I would suggest that people stay away from places like the blog I have linked here because it will only continue fueling these crazy internet rumors which are beneath us as Democrats.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005_02_13_cannonfire_archive.html

[Kikosexy2]

14. But you..

did not hear from me, right?...

[Fight_n_back]

25. I did not hear it from you, right

We should not spread rumors that Ken Mehlman or Karl Rove are gay just because a lot of evidence points that way. It would not be sporting.

So avoid links like the following http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2005/02/21.html

where there are salacious things printed like :

"The vulgar scandal (involving Gannon) has revived Washington whispers that the supposedly anti-gay Republican Party is really nothing less than a gay affirmative action program," he writes. "Glance at whose (sic) running the GOP and it looks like a Harvey Fierstein cocktail party. A few months ago, activist Mike Rogers of RawStoryQ.com revealed that GOP National Field Director Dan Gurley is gay and sought unsafe sex online. Rogers also revealed that Ken Mehlman, chair of the Republican National Committee, is gay."

It would just be wrong so please don't do it.

[kliljedahl]

52. Thanks for warning me

I'd never consider going to http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2005/02/21.html
and consider spreading the idea that KKKarl Rove and Ken Mehlman are obviously gay. Neither would I mention Gannon/Guckert who is so close to them. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for saving me from that.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Warpy]

10. Google Eliot Sanders

who claims to have had an affair with him in college.

Google Jeff Christie and find out why he was fired. BTW, that was Limbaugh's radio pseudonym when he started out.

The information is slim, but it's out there, and there's more of it to support Limbaugh as at least bi than there is to support any of the sexual slurs the right wing has thrown at the Clintons for years. For instance, there are no arrests, no old lovers coming forward, no witnesses to trips to gay bars and bathhouses.

That's just sorta the way it is.

[DenaliDemocrat]

11. Rush can't be gay

NO self-respecting gay man would screw Rush!

[jobycom]

12. Maybe not Rush, but the rumors about Jeff Christie are interesting

http://user.pa.net/~ejjeff/christie.html

[Fridays Child]

15. Yeah! Rush is not gay, so stop saying that!

And George Bush did not get busted for coke, so stop saying that, too!

[NYPagan]

No gay man I know...

would look twice at the likes of El_Rushbo.

Bush on the other hand is probably playing hide the cocktail wiener with ol' dickie.

[zoeb]

23. El-Rushbo is the gayest stage name I've ever heard! eom

[Yankee Blue Veteran]

16. The BIG boys told me that 'Pills' Limbaugh

eats shit and howls at the moon, but I've never, EVER, EVER gone around telling people that I've EVER seen him howl at the moon!

[Atman]

17. Uh...problem...

These two thoughts...

(The) wingnuts have been using to discredit Hillary in the minds of homophobes, morons, and rednecks...

It's time we started fighting fire with fire.

A tactic designed to appeal to the baser elements, pig sellers or not, isn't likely to appeal to a more learned audience. We can't "scare" people into voting for republicans by calling them white Christians. How is a democrat expected to get upset that someone is gay?

I understand what you're saying, but the fundamental problem is, uh...the fundamental mind. They're a couple taco's short of combination plate to begin with.

[Cyrano]

27. The goal is not to appeal to "a more learned" audience.

The man spends 15 hours a week spewing hatred. Isn't it just possible that there are ways in which his credibility can be brought into question among his dittohead zombies?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

18. neither is Ken Mehlman

definitely not gay.

[Fight_n_back]

28. Please don't feed this fire

by going to the following story:
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/06/texas_gov_in_be.html

It really doesn't add to Americas debate.

[UdoKier]

19. It's not just his 3 marriages.

His college chums say he had at least one gay affair, and he was reputedly dismissed from one radio job due to an arrest for lewd conduct in a public restroom.

None of it can be corroborated, of course, but it is not based on his marriages.

[wakeme2008]

20. Right there is no proof Rush is a Pedophile

and likes little boys....

Oh my look at those pants......

[Toots]

53. Is that Rush or Jeff Christie.. Rush may not be gay but Jeff Christie was

:shrug: Is there something wrong with being gay?

[wakeme2008]

57. Only if you bash gays all the time like Rush and

if you are in fact gay... It makes you a True Repug......

[TalkingDog]

55. Is this before or after his "Mentor" taught him to dress? n/t

[jobycom]

21. And the rumor that his homosexuality kept him out of Viet Nam

has never been substantiated, but Rush does deny that it was butt cysts.

[indigonation]

24. Well, if not full-out gay, how 'bout a little Jimmy/Jeff on the side?

I mean, didn't Rush get to break exclusive stories from his - er - Source? Is that another - er - deep throat?

[Grillydad]

26. I agree Rush is not gay, but

He is probably a drug addict and definately a hypocritical windbag who if he weren't on the radio would molest farm animals. But I'm sure he doesn't really (Yet).

I apologize to drug addicts if I have offended you.

[AlienGirl]

29. "Gay" is not an insult--we, of all people, shouldn't use it as one.

Trying to insult Limbaugh by calling him gay is tantamount to saying that gay is a bad thing to be. I'd rather call him a bigoted asshole, ten pounds of shit in a five-pound bag, and a coward. All of those are true, and are genuine insults in a way that "gay" or "black" or "Jewish" cannot be.

Tucker

[SmokingJacket]

31. I agree.

He's "a fat republican sleazeball, with the face of a horse's ass" to quote the brilliant Eric Blumrich.

Gay is not an insult, even if he might take it that way.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

41. so if the truth is insulting one should avoid it so that noone is insulted

ok. now i get it.

[UncleSepp]

46. No, you don't get it.

It isn't that the truth is insulting, it is that appealing to hatred is dangerous. When one uses neutral truth as if it were negative, one appeals to hatred.

For a softer example, if I were to say that you appear to have poor reading comprehension, it would seem like an insult because we on this board generally look down on those who do not read well. However true it might be that you, in fact, do not seem to have understood a fairly simple proposition, you would probably be insulted by that. I wouldn't use such a tactic to attempt to "get one over on you" in a debate, for two reasons. First, I know that many good, decent, intelligent people sometimes have problems with the written word, and I will assume you are one of them. Second, my intention is not to win by any means necessary, but to make my point. Therefore, rather than resort to insults, I'll reiterate my point in a simpler way, and do so until you understand.

Simplicity and repetition are how one eventually wins the battle for the mass mind. It doesn't matter what you're selling, that is what has always worked and will always work.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

63. thanks for the softer example.

but Ken Mehlman's still gay. I'm sorry that makes you feel uncomfortable.

[SmokingJacket]

49. Honestly, whether he's gay or not is unknowable and unimportant.

I don't care who he sleeps with, and neither do you. It's fun to think he might be an even BIGGER hypocrite than we already know he is, but that's all.

Why appeal to homophobia? It's his assholianity that's the significant factor.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

64. actually it's pretty well established that Ken Mehlman's gay.

it is true that Rush is anybody's guess.

[UncleSepp]

32. Agreed!

It saddens me to see that people here, of all places, would be so unthinking as to try the "gay smear" tactic. What will we do next, make up lists of people's "real Hebrew names"?

[Fight_n_back]

33. Its not an insult and neither is "white" or "Christian"

Just as it is important to know that Strom Thurmond had a black child while preaching segregation it is important to know which homophobic politicians are gay. This comes under the Barney Frank rule.

Myself, however, would never stoop to spreading stories like this one about Texas Governor Rick Perry.

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau022704_texas_governor.htm

Especially since it has such partisan paragraphs as the following.

"If Democrats can show that the very Republicans who blasted Clinton for having an extramarital affair in the 1990s have extramarital affairs of their own and might even be extra hypocrites in publicly bashing gays, then this supposed advantage in "morality" that Republicans seem to enjoy over Democrats can be negated. Like it or not, sex and extramarital affairs register more with many average voters who get most of their news from TV than Iraq or even the economy"

[Cyrano]

34. Try rereading the original post.

The aim is not to bash gays. As I said in a posting on this thread, (#27), the target of this type of innuendo is his homophobic, dittohead audience who might just start questioning their "annointed one."

Gay is not a slur on DU, nor will it ever be. But it sure as hell is in wingnut circles.

Again, read my original post before you beat me over the head with insulting gays. You couldn't be more wrong.

[AlienGirl]

35. That may not be the aim, but it is the effect

What good do you think it will do to appeal to his audience's homophobia this way? Do you really think it will make them one whit less homophobic, or one iota more liberal? And if so, how?

Tucker

[UncleSepp]

36. Your aim is not relevant. Your end results are.

You may not be intending to bash gays. You may be gay yourself. That doesn't matter - you are still advocating the use of "gay" as an insult or smear or slur. You are suggesting the use and manipulation of homophobia in your target. It doesn't matter what your aim is - using hate as a political tool is dangerous and wrong.

[Cyrano]

39. Okay, let's play by the rules and a strict code of honor.

We've been doing that for decades and look where it's gotten us.

Howard Dean kicked the Rethugs in the teeth over the past week with his comments. And Dem leaders in congress had a shit fit.

So I'll tell you what. Let's just lay down and let them go on trampling all over us and our freedoms for another decade. Although I don't believe that our democracy has that much longer to go, given their assaults on our freedoms.

So go ahead and be insulted about my tactics. But while you're being insulted, give me some suggestions on how to attack these huns in an "honorable" way, playing by a set or self-imposed rules that are killing us.

[AlienGirl]

42. Seriously, tell me how you think

implying that Limbaugh is gay will make people less homophobic or more liberal?

Tucker

[Cyrano]

45. None of this will make people less homophobic or more liberal.

Limbaugh is a hate monger and the point is to discredit him among his own followers. If they start questioning every lie he spits out, maybe they'll start thinking for themselves. Then again, maybe they won't. But it's time we at least tried to stop letting him get away with every piece of shit he spews out of his mouth.

[UncleSepp]

47. They will find someone who's not gay to listen to

They like the message, not the person. Unless we wean them from the message, they'll just find another source and create another Limbaugh - likely, a more radical source.

We need to present them with a more entertaining show that's simple, easy to understand, and not too challenging at first. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer who makes his listeners laugh, makes them angry, and above all, makes them feel like they are "in the know". We need to do the same things, in the same markets.

AAR has the potential, but its marketing is all branded as leftist and liberal, and so the EIB listeners will never bother to tune in. The marketing needs to focus on themes such as truth, patriotism, liberty, and love of country if the EIB listeners are ever to turn to our part of the dial.

If we are to get the volumes of working class dittoheads to listen, we'll have to stay out of the culture wars and focus on economic issues. Doing a show distributed through publically owned, community, and college radio stations, something which is grass roots and which gives the appearance of being grass roots, would be a cost effective approach that would also give us moral high ground to attack Limbaugh and the Republicans on economic issues. I believe that when the average working class Republican finally understands that he has been conned by wealthy preachers and entertainers who have encouraged him to vote for the very politicians who exploit him, he won't be a Republican for long.

That's my one cent - I have to get back to work, so I'll have to owe you the other one.

[AlienGirl]

48. Good idea for getting the message out

Has anyone ever told you you've got a talent for this sort of thing? ;-)

Tucker

[Cyrano]

62. Dear AuntJen: Sorry to disagree with you , but they like the messenger.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Your remarks are profound and deserve a response.

Yes, there have always been and always will be Limbaugh zombies in the world. And yes, they will always find someone else to take over as the "cheerleader of hate."

But for right now, he's the lead dog (or, if you prefer, pig) and we need to do everything possible to discredit him.

The thugs are currently in the process of destroying NPR and PBS. And there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop them (at the moment).

As far as college stations, they're being financed by Richard Mellon Scaife, the miserable piece of shit billionaire who spent many years and uncounted millions to discredit the Clintons.

Please wake up. This thread, that I started, was not about being gay. It was nothing more than a feeble tactic to try to discredit one of their major propagandist pieces of shit.

Al Franken, Randi Rhodes and others are doing their best. Jon Stewart is skewering the Rethugs every night. But it's not enough. Every one of us must do what we can to subvert these fascist swine.

Yeah, as your post says, maybe they'll find someone "not gay" to listen to. But it's time we attack their propagandists with every means at our disposal. And right now, one of major weapons is the net. And it's past time they got some of their own venom in return. After all, they've been peddling it for so many years, maybe it's our turn to turn things around and make them choke on it.

[UncleSepp]

43. "Attack these huns" ?

Are you actually being honest about asking for suggestions on how to fight this political battle in a way that doesn't play on hatred, or are you sarcastically saying "This is the only way to fight"?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

37. I'm not using the term as an insult.

to point it out is to point out their hypocrisy.

thanks for the lecture though.

[AlienGirl]

38. Do you think appealing to homophobia will make anyone less homophobic?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

40. ok so I shouldn't point out that Ken Mehlman is gay

despite the fact that he pushes an anti-gay agenda? Somehow not pointing this out is going to help gays everywhere?

And now it's homophobia to point out that somebody is gay?

[Fight_n_back]

30. And just because a man sued Armstrong Williams for sexual harrasment

it doesn't mean he is gay...just needy.

[Fleshdancer]

50. I have not personally seen Limbaugh sodomize a sheep

and quite frankly, I'm curious as to how that story started. :shrug:

[Old_Fart]

51. Male or female who would do him?

:puke:

[Jacobin]

54. Well, if its not true, should Rush come out and explain it?

I mean, these are serious allegations. They must be answered. His homophobic audience deserves not to be deceived into worshiping someone whose sexual status they abhor.

America deserves to know the answer. He needs to fully explain this to the American people in a prime time news conference and be questioned

[Dr Fate]

56. He did have a gay mentor who "taught him how to dress." (Link included)

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030103Letters.html



Rush did in fact have a "gay mentor" named Norm Woodruff, who "taught him how to dress". This does not make him gay, but it certainly is an amusing image to think of tough-guy Limbaugh off on a care-free shopping spree with his gay "mentor." I think that this fact combined with Rush's public homophobia is bizzare to say the least.

Here's more:

Yes, Jeff Christie is Rush Limbaugh ! Jeff Christie was at KQV twice in the early seventies. Jeff originally came to Pittsburgh to work at WIXZ. He came to KQV to do nights in 1972. A number of the phrases we still hear on his Rush Limbaugh show today on more than 600 stations "all across the fruited plain" were heard when he was on KQV. You can hear a sample of Jeff's work during the 14K days at the Reel Top 40 Radio Archives. He returned for a short time during KQV's final days of top 40 filling in middays before moving on to Kansas City. Rush Limbaugh's EIB network came from a term he used here in Pittsburgh in the early seventies. EIB = Excellence In Broadcasting.


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Arkush was not entirely complimentary. He criticizes Rush for not crediting Norm Woodruff for pulling the strings that got him into KFBK, which was where he was working when he met Ed McLaughlin. Norm gave Rush that last chance (he had been fired a number of times and fallen into obscurity while working in baseball). Norm taught Rush how to dress for success and presented him to KFBK at a key moment -- upon the firing of Morton Downey. Arkush says Rush fails to give Woodruff his just credit for his involvement in Rush's success, which if it ever does come will have to come posthomolously. Woodruff died in the mid 1980's of AIDS. He was gay.

from DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID6...

The point here isn't that his mentor was a gay man, the point is that it is another dot to connect to a pattern.

We have;
1. The rumor about DJ Jeff Christie being fired from KQV in 1973 after an arrest on Winthrop Street for gay pandering. This rumor supposedly circulated on the UPitt campus for weeks following the firing. Verified parts are that Christie was fired by KQV, that Winthrop Street was a gay pickup spot in that era, and several people have confirmed hearing that same rumor at the time. One person confirmed having heard the rumor a couple of years later in water-cooler gossip at the Richmond VA radio station where he worked. At this time, nobody knew who Jeff Christie was.

2. Verification that KQV's Jeff Christie went on to become the man behind the Golden EIB Microphone, Rush Limbaugh.

3. Verification that the fellow who helped him get his second start in radio, and who taught him how to dress, was a gay man. Not that significant in itself. but you know, it is rather odd for a guy to be going clothes shopping with another guy.

4. The mysterious "cyst" that kept him out of 'Nam. One cause of anal cysts can be receptive anal sex, but of course we have no way of knowing in this case. We do know that this was on his draft deferrment documents, and that he now denies that he ever had an anal cyst. (He did so on the air just the other day.)

5. He keeps getting divorced. Not a lot in itself, but one wonders why? And we hear exactly nothing from him about his current wife.

6. The hearsay from a posting elsewhere on this forum that Rush used to go drinking at gay bars in in CA. Mind you, I do know that some open-minded people who are not gay go drinking with friends at gay bars. Rush has never struck me as an open-minded person. Or do I mis-read him?

7. In spite of the sexual preference of his mentor, and in spite of having socialized with gay people in the past, Rush has spared no effort to trash "the gay agenda" on his program. He has been especially nasty to Rep. Barny Frank.

None of these things by itself constitute evidence that Rush is gay (or, more likely, bisexual), but all of them together form a growing pattern. This leads me, and others, to the conclusion that it is possible that Rush really was arrested in 1973, as the rumors indicated, and suggest that it would warrent the time and money of somebody to run down the leads, check official records, and talk to people from Rush's past. None of this is proof, but it does suggest that the proof may be out there, if only it can be collected


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from DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID6...

Back in 1983-84, my next door neighbor used to talk about meeting rush in the Sacramento Gay bars. We both lived in Lodi CA. He was a Log Cabin Republican www.lcr.org <http://www.lcr.org/ >

I asked him once: "Do you mean Rush is gay?" "Gawd! I hope not!" he replied (aghast at the thought)

He went on to explain that Rush was the most unattractive man he had ever met. "Why does Rush hang out in Gay bars then?" I asked. "Rush is simply not the bigot he gets paid to portray on the radio." he explained.

Note: Rush Limbaugh was then host of a local talk show on a Sacramento radio station. John "McGoofy" went to Sacramento to buy the station...didn't buy the station, but bought Rush instead. (and moved him to NY NY where the rest of you heard of him)

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. Some people say Rush Limpballs IS Gay and

I choose to believe them and spread that rumor. :)

[Fozzledick]

59. I still think he's a EUNUCH

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x104071#105532

[UTUSN]

60. Don't Matter That He's GAY. It Matters That He's an ASSHOLE n/t

[UTUSN]

61. What?--------Is There REASONABLE DOUBT??????????? n/t