Is Kerry going to be a the Conyer's DSM meeting? No? I didn't think so..

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

Hey, Kerry apologists and fans!

Where's that Senate floor statement that Kerry hinted at making about 2 weeks ago??? And, if Kerry's SO FIRED UP about the DSM, why isn't he lending support or attending Conyer's meeting today???

Please explain why anyone should get excited about Kerry when he clearly makes promises and statements that he doesn't appear to want to keep?

JB

[longship]

1. One would not expect

to see a Senator at a House of Reps committee meeting.

[blm]

35. Methinks the OP doesn't know that much about congress or the fact that

RawStory reported that Kerry has been working a letter through the senate that is a companion to Conyers' letter in congress. He's been urging more senators to join him in signing the letter of inquiry to Bush.

Anyone truly on top of this issue already knows this from the last 3 days of threads here and at the DSM activist sites.

Yet, some people make threads to attack Kerry complaining without checking the activist sites to find out FIRST what Kerry is doing.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

39. How many Senators have signed Kerry's so-called "letter"?????

We have been apprised at various intervals by Conyers on the number of Congress persons signing onto his letter, so why is there a paucity of information on Kerry's "effort"???

JB

[blm]

43. Why the hell don't YOU even KNOW there was a letter? You come here with

guns blazing against Kerry....YET AGAIN....and you didn't even check the activist sites about the DSM, or even the DU threads to see what the status was.

You BLOW UP AT KERRY FIRST. That shows you aren't concerned with the status of DSM as an issue, but, only in taking shots at Kerry not CARING if he deserves the shot or not.

That SMELLS.

[Jo March]

96. I agree. Checking the activist sites clearly shows that Kerry

is doing something, despite the OP's thread trying to say otherwise.

When you bring up the letter, there is no acknowledgement that the OP was incorrect on Kerry's work on the DSM just another attack because Kerry isn't doing enough!

You could say that Kerry received signatures from 100 Senators and rode a horse into the Oval Office and thumbtacked the letter to *'s head and the OP would still say, "He's not doing enough! He should have rode in on a tank!"

[Just Me]

113. As a "progressive liberal" *LOL* all I see in the OP is HATE.

As a "progressive liberal",...I don't hate imperfection,...I oppose with passion those who ACT AGAINST the interests of people.

Frankly, the OP not only fails to represent me, the OP acts against me by expressing HATRED of those who aren't perfectly fulfilling the OP's expectations.

The OP is imposing ridiculously impossible expectations and I would just like to know what the OP has done to serve "the people" to such perfection.

I AM ANGRY. I AM WHITE. I AM LIBERAL.

You will NOT see me attacking anyone other than THE OBVIOUS ENEMY TO OUR PEOPLE.

[Jo March]

73. Oh, but don't you know?

Kerry should run into the meeting, screaming at the top of his lungs, "I am the government!" a la Tom Delay and disrupt the entire proceedings.

Then someone can school him on the proper time and place for a Senator to appear.

Common sense is in such short supply sometimes.

[LifeDuringWartime]

2. there are other representatives in the room

im not sure if there are any senators?

maybe because it is a house meeting?

or maybe he actually doesnt care :shrug:

[TayTay]

5. It's a house hearing

He is voting on the energy bill. (Check the senate site.)

He needs (or better still the Dems need) to hold equivalent hearings in the Senate. Concurrent.

[expatriot]

3. my question: Why would Congressmen from MI and MA go hold

a meeting in Des Moines on the issue of "Des Moines."

What has Des Moines done to deserve so much scrutiny?

[Mass]

4. This is a House hearing (not Senate)

As for the rest, this has been discussed so often that it is a loss of time to discuss with you.

[meegbear]

6. Yeah! He should be put in a camp and GASSED!!

:sarcasm:

[Jo March]

65. And shot and drawn and quartered!

He is a BAD, BAD, BAD MAN!!

:sarcasm:

[LittleClarkie]

111. And then we should stomp on the pieces!

Eeeeevil! Eeeeeeeeeeeeevil!

:sarcasm:

[seabeyond]

7. so now you are not only taunting kerry, you are taunting your fellow

democrats on this site too. and i am suppose to be impressed with you. respect you. listen to you

hm

[Jo March]

66. Well, it's easier to attack than to actually research

or use common sense.

Yes, a Senator is going to go to a House hearing. No, Kerry is sitting back and doing nothing.

Whatever.

Yawn.

[mzmolly]

8. As the source of said promise, Kerry did not do so ... his office did.

Kerry simply said "I will be bringing the matter to Washington" and he has.

He is collecting signatures from other members of the Senate before bringing this out in full swing. I am also confident he is coordinating with John Conyers.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

12. So, his office has more political sense than the Senator himself??

Sounds like Kerry needs to listen to his office staff and less to his beltway-Dem buddies.

JB

[mzmolly]

49. No, they were misinformed. We can't judge his "political sense"

until after he takes action. He was a prosecutor, he's not "willy nilly" about what he does. He's methodic.

I don't trust that everyone here shares the same goal for our Country and I don't know why I bother replying to BS threads like this.

Mz

[Jo March]

89. LOL, mzmolly, what do logic and facts have to do with it?

After all, we know that Kerry is just a bad, spineless, GOP-lite, Rove-loving, Skull and Bones-living, wind-surfing, elite, Frenchified useless hull of a man!

(Did I get them all in there? I didn't get my Rove talking points this morning.)

:sarcasm:

[mzmolly]

99. HEY, you forgot to insult Teresa !

;)

[Jo March]

102. Oh, so I did.

She's a loud, hateful, mean woman who would be running the country and she likes to be mean to the servants and she has hair that is too fluffy!

There. I feel like I've served the Rove machine for the day.

:sarcasm:

[mzmolly]

103. Great job summarizing.

;)

[Jo March]

105. Rove has trained me well

as well as others on this board, apparently.

<cough>

[mzmolly]

107. *cough*

Contageous! ;)

[FizzFuzz]

138. you forgot "Rich", and "Ketchup" ;-)

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[karynnj]

13. That is absolutely idiotic

Kerry's political affiliation has been known and consistent going back at least 45 years! He is also not a liar.

[Mass]

14. I think he was describing himself, not Kerry.

[karynnj]

18. I think you're correct

He sounds like a RW Republican stating RW lies.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

133. He had

political affiliation when he was 17? Geez.

[TayTay]

17. Excuse me, but are you on mind-altering substances?

I can only wish that all Rethugs had 92 ADA lifetime voting records. The country would be a much better place.

Seriously, you might want to see a doctor. Your senses of perception and proportion are completely out of whack.

[Mass]

24. May be you can go back take care of Blair!!!

[babylonsister]

10. More flame bait. nt

[Jo March]

76. Yes, it is.

Some folks like to bash first and think later.

[maddezmom]

79. yup

:boring:

[fob]

11. Not an apologist here but the statement I saw said something along

the lines of Kerry was going to "bring it up" when he got back to DC. The whole Senate floor speech was a guess/wish by a lot of people here and elsewhere. Since then I understand he's discussing it with his Senate colleagues which would qualify as "bringing it up" in my book.

Now is that what I wanted/expected? No. But it does seem like he's kept his word and I'm willing to see if Kerry can offer a 2 punch in the senate once Conyer's gets done slapping bush*co with his 1 punch from the House.

fob has said his peace.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

15. The POINT is HE SHOULD MAKE A STATEMENT...not discussing it in private.

If Kerry is SUCH a Democratic bulwark and the tough liberal we were led to believe during the 2004 election, then wouldn't it be consistent that he would MAKE A FLOOR STATEMENT and not discussing it in private????????

Did the Repukes "discuss in private" Clinton's problems which led to his impeachment hearings??? FUCK NO.

Maybe it's flame bait for me to be bringing this up, but NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR TIMID BELTWAY DEMS. The time is NOW for forceful and spined Dems, like Conyers, Durbin, Kennedy, Boxer, and others, to move to the forefront of our party.

JB

[Jo March]

75. So, when are you going to post about Boxer, Kennedy, etc

not being at Conyers's meeting? When are you going to post a thread bashing them or Dean or Clark?

When, praytell?

<crickets>

[fob]

87. Oh I can't disagree with that. Hell I'd love to have every Dem in

both Houses take their turn at the mic, but that's not really practical and would probably detract from the event. That would be a "shoot your whole load" deal and this is gonna take some hammering and repetition and follow-up and follow through. It is with that in mind that I hold out hope that Kerry is part of the reinforcements and after the media ignores this for a few more days he hits out again and someone else follows that and someone else follows that and so on.

[Pinboy]

20. What Kerry said/didn't say

Once more (from a recent post by TayTay):

Kerry said he would raise the issue when he got back to Washington after the last break. He is doing what he said he would do. He has drafted a letter and is circulating it around to get a concerted effort by Senate Dems together to ask for in investigation into the issues raised in the DSM.

Kerry never said he was going to go on the floor. This was spin by the liberal blogs who mis-read what he actually said and this spin was picked up by RW groups who turned it into the lie that Kerry was going to call for *'s impeachment.

Here is Keith Olbermann's blog entry (which was also on his tv show) debunking the myth:

Kerry on impeachment (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS — Last Wednesday, Senator John Kerry told the editorial board of the newspaper in New Bedford, Massachusetts, the "Standard-Times," that he was amazed at the lack of American media coverage of the so-called "Downing Street Memo" — notes of a July, 2002 British cabinet meeting that suggested the U.S. was making all the evidence fit a pre-planned invasion of Iraq.

The words of the Democrats' 2004 standard-bearer?: "When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue. I think (the memo) is a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth..."

Now, let's play Blogosphere-Telephone with that statement.

By Saturday, those quotes, and the original New Bedford story, had been transmuted by a series of foreign and conservative websites into an article that included the line: "Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush's impeachment to Congress, on Monday."

Blogs and websites pulsated with the news: Kerry was going to call for the impeachment of President Bush! My inbox pulsated with the missives of angry conservatives ("you're covering up Kerry's traitorous comment") and angry liberals ("corporate lapdog! Why didn't you cover this? Do your job!").

Once again, the first law of the Non-Mainstream Media was being ignored. Be suspicious of everything you read on the internet, not just those things with which you most agree, or about which you live in the greatest fear.

The Senator's office told "Countdown" last night that he never said anything about impeachment and asked our reporter where he'd read that line. The answer was: the websites of NewsMax and Al-Jazeera.

The story originated — on Al-Jazeera.

The New Bedford newspaper story, exactly 746 words long, literally does not include the words impeach, or impeachment.

If this detail is still relevant in these super-heated political times, the story is not true. But at places as disparate as Al-Jazeera and NewsMax, they wanted it to be.

E-mail: [e-mail]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8085423/#050607a

A very big thanks to TayTay for this.

[fob]

88. Thanks. Let the record stand as indicated.

[DS1]

16. Kerry's idea of getting fired up is adding 5 more psi to his bike tires

I will not accept that Kerry cares a damn about anything more than his career.

[TayTay]

19. That's right, those nay votes on Condi, and Gonzales

against the Bankruptcy bill, against all the controversial * judicial appointments, against Tort Deform and so much more were clever ruses designed to lull soft-brained people into thinking he was a liberal Dem. He is just biding his time until he can spring into action and vote Rethug on something really bad, like the National 'Breast-feeding in public is icky' Bill. Brwwwhahahahha. That day will come soon, you'll see.

[DS1]

22. *zing!*

Yay, he did his job and voted. BFD.

When he actually acts outside of his congressional duties I'll be interested to hear it.

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[DS1]

33. Yes, he did his job, and nothing more

That's my point, you can call it whatever you want but it doesn't make it false.

[TayTay]

44. Duh!

His job is to be a US Senator and vote. Lord, what about that do you not get?

[DS1]

47. What don't you get?

I want a Senator who goes beyond the rollcall, and calls hearings, organizes action, goes above and beyond the call of duty. But fuck, he hardly ever voted, either.

[Mass]

48. So do all the others

No two senators have the same approach, thankfully. (except the Republicans, of course).

You have to judge them on their actions, and, except for a few votes I disagree with, Kerry is a great senator. (as there is no senators I approve 100 %, I can live with that).

He did a lot in and out of the senate for us since the elections. If you did not see it, there is probably nothing I can do for you.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

23. And, what about his VOTE FOR THE WAR or the PATRIOT ACT????

If he was such a bulwark Democrat working for ideals and not personal political calculation, why did he vote to approve the Patriot Act or giving Shrub approval to start an illegal war??????

Facts are such inconvenient things, aren't they?

JB

[Mass]

25. Are you angry at all Senators or not???

All but Feingold voted for the Patriot Act.

Or is it just him???

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

34. Feingold...he alone had the balls to stand up for our Constitution.

Feingold has my undying admiration. When he cast the sole dissenting vote, I was proud to be an American. If the Senate were replaced with 100 Feingolds, our country would be a FAR better place.

JB

[Mass]

38. He voted for a lot of things I oppose as well

This does not mean I will blast him. BTW, where is he about DSM. He said he will talk to Blair. Did he follow through?

[Jo March]

92. So, when can I expect your anti-Boxer, Kennedy, etc. threads?

Where is the thread for "Hey, all of you Boxer supporters? She sure is hammering away at that DSM!"? Or how about:

"Hey, all of you Dean supporters? He sure is hammering away at that DSM!"?

or maybe this one:

"Hey, all of you Clark supporters? He sure is hammering away at that DSM!"?

or this one:

"Hey, all of you Biden supporters? He sure is hammering away at that DSM!"?

You just want to bash Kerry. You don't care about the truth of what is going on with his actions. You just want to bash him. If you were trying to be truthful and fair, you'd be bashing all Senators and Dem leaders for not being at the Conyers hearing, wouldn't you?

[Beaverhausen]

29. The IWR wasn't a vote FOR WAR

for once and for all get it straight.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

37. Voting to give Shrub power for war IS THE SAME FUCKING THING as war

Come on! Anyone with a brain knew that Shrub would use the power afforded to him by the Senate to start a war. I know about 500,000+ citizens believed this when I was MARCHING in the streets of NYC before the war.

JB

[Beaverhausen]

41. Yeah yeah I marched too

the resolution said that war would be a "last resort." They are now holding a hearing on the fact that they cooked the evidence to make it look like war was the last resort.

And just remember they voted on it in Oct. 2002, one month before the 2002 elections. Remember the emotions of the country when the Patriot act was signed.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

94. IWR = vote to give a developmentally delayed sociopath a loaded gun

The IWR vote IS NOT defensible because any and all Dems KNEW from the outset that Shrub was a dangerous person itching to avenge his daddy.

JB

[DS1]

60. I marched no less than 5 times, yet assholes here still call me a freeper

:eyes:

What a stupid, stupid place this is.

[GRLMGC]

68. self delete

[Mass]

78. I know some freepers who opposed the war

Buchanan for example.

You guys never understood that opposing IWR is not a sign of being a liberal or not, except if you consider Buchanan as a liberal.

[DS1]

97. You guys

There you go again.

Thanks for the chuckle :toast:

[blm]

64. Anyone with a brain KNOWS that IWR is being used as evidence AGAINST Bush

right now at these hearings. Bonifaz is using Bush's failure to implement the IWR honestly as a reason for impeachment.

Too many morons believed the Rovemediaspin that IWR gave Bush a blank check when all along they should have blamed Bush for not ADHERING to the IWR.

Thankfully, people like Bonifaz can comprehend the truth about the document and use it AGAINST Bush, instead of those hotheads who use it only to attack Democrats.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

85. Naaah. It was for having the troops in Kuwait get nice tans.

I suppose his support for the occupation is so "the troops" can pass out more candy bars to the jubilant Iraqis who have been "liberated".

[TayTay]

31. AGain, with this stuff

Gawd, don't you ever listen to an explanation or does it just og in one ear and out the other.

In short go here and read: http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

[DS1]

32. IF I KNEW THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW I WOULD HAVE STILL VOTED FOR WAR

Says it all. He wants it both ways.

He's NOT biding his time, he's NOT waiting for the moment to strike, he's sitting on his ass and waiting to MAKE SURE this thing has traction before he touches it, doing otherwise might endanger his next run - and if you can't see that, you don't know shinola about John Kerry.

[mzmolly]

51. He was lied to, remember?

:hi:

However, anyone REALLY interested in the DSM would be streaming the hearings ~ not bitching about Kerry.

Now, I'm off to watch our Democrats kick some ass, and the US Constitutional process in action.

[DS1]

52. and said he'd vote on the lie after knowing it was a lie, just to appease

the right-wingers in the country.

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[Mass]

63. No, it is not worth arguing with you

People are entitled to their opinions, they are not entitled to their facts.

Good luck.

[mzmolly]

59. Here here! They're getting nervous, thus the flame bait and their buddies

to fan said flames.

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[mzmolly]

72. I don't care how many posts you have.

But I do think it's ironic that someone with so many posts would violate the user rules so blatently? I guess that's because your such a productive part of the community right?

I don't have time for the likes of you.

:hi:

[DS1]

74. likewise

:eyes:

[Mass]

71. I assume he was referring to Arizona

that has been debunked again and again, but why would he care?

[mzmolly]

56. Gosh, I don't recall that *specific* quote.

:eyes:

I do have many quotes from the LIARS if your interested in holding THEM accountable.

[ecstatic]

80. only gets fired up enough to vote against minorities

While the white appointees skate through?

[Mass]

124. Owens, Pryor, Bolton, Griffith, Leavitt ...

Guess they are minorities as well?

Who did he vote for that Boxer and Feingold did not vote for?

[blm]

137. WHAT THE HELL KINDA ACCUSATION IS THAT? That's freeper spin about Bush's

nominees being voted down for being minorities.

[LittleClarkie]

143. So was Bolton born a poor black child or something?

Or is he some little known minority that isn't readily apparent?

Big fan of Condi and Alberto, are we? Should we have given them a pass because they were such lovely shades of cocoa brown and tan?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. You forgot to mention his Nay vote for the war. Oh, wait..

[blm]

Then you know shinola about history.

You can't name ONE lawmaker who has effected government more positively than John Kerry has over the last 35 years.

NOONE in modern history has investigated and exposed more government corruption than Kerry.

That put a target on his back and the backs of his family for years. Would you have done the same?

[DS1]

30. Yes, but what has he done for me recently?

He lost his fire. Vietnam is over, his stupid campaign proved that, and his work during those hearings is old news.

Where's the Iran/Contra fire we saw in him?

[blm]

40. Where's BCCI that he worked on for 5 years? Where's his book on terror

THE NEW WAR that alerted the nation of the growing international problem back in 97?

Where was the SCHIP bill he drafted with Kennedy to extend healthcare to children of all states?

Diminsh him all you want if you think YOU'VE effected this country more positively than Kerry has. I think his only mistake was in not knowing the extent and seriousness of the rigged electronic voting machines. And not forcing the DNC to deal with that problem and the GOP media machine as soon as he won the primary.

Shamefully, NO Democrats pushed loudly for the close scrutiny of the machines themselves BEFORE the election. Some even claim that they knew about it and STILL did nothing to make an issue out of it before the election.

[DS1]

45. Then he puts his eyes on the Presidency, and hung his guts up at the

door. Later going on to sell out on millions of personally donated campaign dollars by 'losing' the election, and after waiting a searing 4 hrs, came out and said "Oh well, better luck next time, there's free hot dogs on the left" - Yeah, I still pissed about that.

FU John Edwards, FU voters, FU anyone else concerned with Democracy, I John Kerry probably won't be able to win so I won't even bother.

[Mass]

50. Dont bring Edwards in there, please

Had he chosen Clark, he would have won,

[DS1]

54. I get it, it's Edwards' fault Kerry lost

Obviously not dynamic enough, even when standing next to a plank

[Mass]

58. No, an empty suit.

IMHO, but it is my opinion and I normally avoid expressing it, except when I find people like you.

[blm]

55. You STILL don't know history. Kerry always pursued when he had EVIDENCE

in hand to pursue.

The moment he said he was contesting, the GOP would have had the machines deleted of all evidence en masse and within minutes. There was a better chance that evidence was able to be gathered.

[DS1]

62. always - used to

same thing to me

[blm]

67. That's YOUR problem.

.,

[CatWoman]

21. my, you are angry, aren't you?

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

28. Repukes are criminals and most Dems are lying down...hell, yes, I'm mad.

Kerry NEEDS to show the spine that he demonstrated during Vietnam and upon returning to the States. What happened to this backbone, I don't know.

Apparently, prolonged exposure to Washington and insider-Dems transforms most politicians into invertebrates.

WE NEED more people like Conyers, Durbin, Reid, and Boxer. And, LESS of Hillary, Kerry, Biden, and Ford.

JB

[Mass]

36. Kerry is a lot more like Durbin than like Ford

This is the most stupid thing I have seen in a very long time.

He has been acting a lot on the judges, Bolton, energy issues, social security, healthcare (in addition of being one of the two senators talking and voting against Rice in committee, one of the 18 senators filibustering Owens despite Byrd's and co compromise, ...).

[mzmolly]

81. Tune into the freaking hearings if your concerned.

DEMOCRATS are on their way to starting impeachment proceedings against * and your bitching about Kerry's timing?!

Speaks for itself.

[RetroLounge]

46. and apparently white

but the rest I'm not sure about...

RL

[mzmolly]

93. LOL

;)

[ibegurpard]

26. I don't care who is there and who is not.

Who decides to jump in and take credit and grandstand and who chooses to stay out of the limelight...as long as something is done to remove these power-hungry fascists from a position to be able to endanger our way of life then I will be satisfied.

[redqueen]

42. Catch up on your reading before you go shooting your mouth off.

Makes you look dumb if you don't.

[politicasista]

69. C.P.A.A.J.K.D.I.U.

Another flamebait, another nice long yawn. :boring:

[Eloriel]

70. But you FORGET --

once upon a time he "exposed" the BCCI. That, you may recall, ended up ruining the Bush Crime Family forever more. They were once quite a threat, but John Kerry singlehandedly took care of that he exposed them so damn good.

:sarcasm:

[LittleClarkie]

114. You make fun of fighting corruption?

You forgot to make fun of Iran/Contra as well.

Perhaps you'd like to also make fun of his COPS program. His work on Agent Orange perhaps? Then there's the children's health care bill he's working on. Wanna make fun of little kids for a while?

How about his Senate testimony? That's always good for a laugh, innit. Attrocities are such fun.

[blm]

131. Imagine if other Dems had backed him up during that 5 years he

worked on it, Eloriel. Instead, most elected Dems across the country stayed away from the whole BCCI issue. Imagine if just ONE other dynamic elected Democrat decided to pitch in and help. ANY one of them, at least a governor who cared enough about exposing corruption that he would work to get other governors on board with at least a letter of support, even.

You think about THAT. Where would this country be today if Kerry had MORE help then and less sarcasm from folks who think they're funny.

[LittleClarkie]

132. Instead they got mad because he went after a popular Democrat

who was wrapped up in the scandal as well. Party loyalty didn't stand in Kerry's way. That alone didn't make him popular. Folks since then have tried to say that it was his ambition, not his sense of fair play that made him do such things.

If that were the case, don't you think he would have actually gained politically? But no, he appears to have damaged himself. Even folks in his own party buy the meme that he is only out for himself.

There was a reason his nickname in the RW was "Live Shot". He had so much trouble getting coverage for his investigations that he's dive at any camera that was filming live so he'd have a chance to say something about the issues nobody wanted to support him on.

[pazarus]

you are completely right

Kerry should drop everything he's doing in the Senate to go attend this meeting in the House. In fact, he should be at every single event put on in the House, Senate, and around the world where you think he is needed best. He should put a direct phone line to your house so he can call and get directions if you think he's in the wrong place. His most important priority, after all, is making sure you don't dislike him no matter how little you pay attention. If he isn't in the spotlight at every moment, reading your script, he just isn't doing his job.

I assume you'll be angry when he brings it up in the Senate--you know, where he works--soon. Maybe he won't have enough Senators signed on, which will be his fault for not having a spine.

(edited for typos)

[ecstatic]

77. I stopped believing in him months ago... he is ALL talk! nt

[LuPeRcALiO]

82. is any senator?

Just askin...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

83. Well, he's a bit busy polishing his medals for his next "hero" act.

And, he's gotta get a new shotgun for the next goose safari. Not to mention the fundraising. Otherwise, he'd be there "reporting for duty".

[Jo March]

90. Where is your condemnation of Boxer, Kennedy, Dean

or Clark? They aren't there either.

Ever ask yourself why? Maybe it's because it's for HOUSE members and not Senators? Maybe because they are letting Conyers pave the way considering he has the half million signatures?

If you are going to bash Kerry, then bash all of the other Dem Senators and Dem leaders for not being there. Otherwise you are just a Kerry basher who will bad mouth Kerry no matter what he does.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

100. Boxer, Kennedy and Dean didn't vote for the war.

And, I have respect for them. For Kerry, I have only contempt. Ah, gee, can't the great hero stand a little bashing?

[Jo March]

104. The "hero" is not here

The OP not only insulted Kerry but insulted Kerry supporters as well. We are merely trying to set the record straight.

As far as voting for the war - you are saying that all Dem leaders who didn't vote for the war are now EXEMPT from any DSM related meetings? Is that how it goes now?

So, all Senators are excused from this House meeting and all Senators who didn't vote for the war and all Dem leaders who didn't vote for the war and anyone who isn't named John Kerry are all excused, right? Because John Kerry can do nothing right, ever, even if he single-handedly took down * and his cronies, he'd still be a punk in your eyes, right?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

109. Actually, I don't care if any of them go.

A punk? That about fits. Along with self-promoting politician who sold out and still supports the occupation of Iraq.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

116. Now wouldn't that make a pretty picture

I could work at the circus then. Come see the bearded lady.

Forgive me, you pushed the "Swift Vets for Truth" button. It's not a good button. You don't wanna push it again.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

119. You are forgiven.

Kerry voted for the war. He still supports the occupation. Do you regard that as "heroic"? I don't. I consider it the actions of a self-serving, cowardly, politician.

[karynnj]

He does not support the occupation and never has

He is against permanent bases (as he said in the first debate). He wanted to stabalize, reconstruct Iraq and then get out. He is most certainly not a coward - You say he was only brave in the past, but what great things have you done in real life. (I will freely admit I don't have a fraction of his bravery or determination.)

[LittleClarkie]

123. It was bringing his medals into it

that blew the top off of my head.

He and Dean and most of the leaders disagree. I don't call that cowardly. Not if they *honestly* disagree. There's enough background on Kerry for me to believe that he really thinks that terrorism is a thing worth fighting against, in an internation crime sort of way. So I think he's torn, not cowardly or self-serving.

The only suggestion I've ever seen that Kerry wasn't saying what he was really thinking about the war was an article in the Boston Globe, where one of his aides said Kerry couldn't figure out how to criticize the war during the campaign in a way that wouldn't dishonor the soldiers. He seems to believe that's something he did wrong in 1972. Maybe that comes from knowing McCain, I don't know.

We each just see something different I guess. I don't see a coward.

[theboss]

84. I have no dog in this fight

But why would a Senator be at a hearing in the House? That would be more insulting than anything else.

[Blue_In_AK]

91. Zzzzzzzzzzz zz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzz......

[bunkerbuster1]

108. Blame Kerry First!

win valuable prizes!

wottan assclown...

[Jacobin]

95. Good question, actually.

Didn't see any answers other than naana naana booboo from his supporters....as usual.

[redqueen]

98. You missed post #20, did ya?

It's okay... lots of people here just love to bitch WAY too fucking much.

[Jo March]

101. See post # 20, Jacobin

Go to the activist sites and see what Kerry is doing on this. He has drafted a letter and is trying to get other Senators to sign on and open an investigation that was stalled.

Kerry is not at the hearings because these are hearings for the HOUSE members and Kerry is a Senator. This show is all about Conyers and what he has done.

Also, there is no "naana naana booboo" from his supporters. We are giving you guys the facts - what Kerry actually said and what he is currently doing on the DSM. It's not our fault that you choose not to read what we are posting or if you choose to continue bashing Kerry for what you think he should be doing.

[paineinthearse]

106. Flame bait post - this is a HOUSE hearing.

I trust Kerry is working behind the scenes on the Senate side. His moment will come.

[RetroLounge]

110. Because he's not stupid enought to go to a house hearing

when he works in the senate.

You on the other hand...

RL

[Very very sad]

117. John Kerry is a turncoat liar

This is shocking what he's done.

[LittleClarkie]

121. And that would be....

What are you talking about?

[blm]

129. Why do you say that? Prove what you said.

Guess you missed all the posts about Kerry working the Senate with a letter of inquiry on DSM...a companion Senate letter to Conyers' congressional one.

If you really care about the issue, you'd have known it from the DSM activist sites.

[Name removed]

142. Deleted message

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[LittleClarkie]

144. Indeed because if Kerry is a turncoat liar

then everything he's said about Bush lately is untrue.

Hmm.

Nah.

[Skip Intro]

118. Oh Bullshit, Kerry Basher

FIrst, Kerry NEVER SAID (I've never seen it quoted despite requests) that he intended to make a floor statement. Unless you can provide a link, that part of your statement is bullshit.

Second, why would a Senator be at a House hearing? Were other Senators there?

Either Kerry did say he would make a floor statement and there were other Senators at the HOUSE hearings and I'm a fool, or neither of those things are true, and you are beyond full...

[LittleClarkie]

128. What would be the reaction of House folk

to Senators showing up at their hearings. We hear this call alot, but do House folk what Senators there? Like the Reps are second-hand politicians and the Senators are the real thing? So nothing means anything unless a Senator shows up?

Wouldn't that be insulting to the House?

[BeHereNow]

120. "I am a neocon...What is my strategic mind set?"

Well, first and foremost, I must divert the attention of the
the "liberal sheeple" who are expressing dissent against
my plan for hegemonic domination on the backs of the
US taxpayer. Hmmm, what to do, what to do?
I know! I will plant some fellow corporatists to create and CONTROL
the voice of my dissenting critics...
Hmmm...
Making a list, checking it twice, I'm gonna fool the people
'bout whose naughty and nice."

BHN

[LittleClarkie]

125. Could you come down offa that cloud

and explain what the hell you're trying to say?

[karynnj]

126. Care to explain?

[Mass]

130. Got it now

Though you were describing yourself. That would have been an accurate description.

[BeHereNow]

136. Hmmm, let me think...

Exactly what does this
rhetorical sting and run style remind me of?
Snippy slap and no evidence. Scotty, is that you?
PLEASE be sure to PM me when the four star
addresses anything that actually MATTERS on Faux news.
I can't wait!
I feel so hopeful!
Everyone knows the Dems are lining up for Faux snooze
anaylist jobs...myself included!
You're right of course... and on to me.
Uh-huh.
BHN
Edited for drunken head banging typos

[LittleClarkie]

139. Drunken haiku

Do please explain when you're head clears if you would.

It appears to be Clark rant... sorta. It appears to be unfair, as well. Let's see if it remains thus once you're straight again.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

141. What crap.

[BeHereNow]

145. Oh PLEEEZE, provide me with some links...

To lift this cloud of doubt.
I would MORE than welcome some evidence
that true dissenting voices had spoken to and affected
an actually change to the nightmare we are living...
Please?
And say, what WAS that about Kerry addressing the DSM
as of last FRIDAY?
Yeah, John Kerry who conceded without a
vote verification in 2004, just like Gore.
Not to worry, we have representation, right?
Right.
BHN

[LittleClarkie]

146. We will

as soon as you put down the bong.

[BeHereNow]

147. OOOh- now there is a reply!

Sorry. Wrong.
I don't have a bong, nor do I smoke what people
usually smoke in a bong.
I do actually read/research though, do you?
Just checking, since your one liner insulting retorts
are indicative of limited literary exposure and capacity.
BHN

[LittleClarkie]

150. You said you were drunk

It shows, just so you know. You are not making a ton of sense. If you want decent replies, you need to realize that we don't speak drunk. Please explain your cryptic posts or wait until you are sober to post.

[BeHereNow]

154. Please define "making sense."

Coming from someone who
blindly supports what does NOT,
under ANY circumstance make SENSE in the light
of logical thinking, I am most interested to
hear your sober view of our collective situation
as I have tired of viewing the world as it IS.
If that does not make sense to you, I am not surprised
in the least at this point.
BHN

[LittleClarkie]

155. Please explain

what I support that doesn't make sense. Be specific.

What collective situation. Will you answer the questions of the 5 or six people who have asked you what the flying fuck you're talking about. You haven't answered any of them yet.

You're drunk. Go to bed. Wake up in the morning. Then ask your questions.

[BeHereNow]

157. Actually, I am not drunk

at least not in the sense you are desperately clinging to.
My point?
My point?
WHERE were your heroes TODAY?
What part of that does not make sense to you?
BHN

[LittleClarkie]

159. Then why

did you edit one of your posts, explaining:

"Edited for drunken head banging typos"

No drunken?

Not desperate, unless it's desperation to figure out what the hell you've got a bug up your butt about. First it was snarky cryptic comments about Clark on Fox that you wouldn't explain. Now it's something about Kerry, even though he's been the only one besides Conyers to even bring up DSM until today when Reid brought it up as well.

[BeHereNow]

161. Uh-huh...Kerry brought it up and then what?

He brought it up.
That's all he did.
I could always point out the car crash on the side
of the road and keep on driving, eh?
No difference.
But keep on believing that "bringing it up"
is the same as DOING something about it.
Yep, Kerry and Clark are making some SERIOUSLY
aggressive moves on this matter-
Yep,
Yep,
No doubt about it!
They ARE, they ARE the voice of the shell shocked people!
Fear not!
BHN

[LittleClarkie]

163. Edited for drunken head banging typos

Are you or aren't you. If you are, then there is no point in trying to talk further, as you seem intent on hyper-ridicule rather than discussion.

[BeHereNow]

165. I am not drunk- I am PISSED.

Drunk in the sense that my head is spinning from
spin- spin from the networks, spin from the WH press whores
and at this point drunk from the nonsensical blind allegiance
from certain DUers to a myth that we have democratic
leaders representing us.
I can count the ones who actually do on ONE hand
and yet they are seldom acknowledged by the
blind leading the blind.
What part of that do you not understand?
Do you have ANY documentation of the darling
four star corporate tied Clark or Kerry supporting
Conyers? Waxman? Boxer? McKinney? The mighty BYRD?
Didn't think so-
BHN

[LuPeRcALiO]

158. satire of the OP, right?

gotta use that :sarcasm: smiley to let us know!

[BeHereNow]

122. Hey, not to worry! Clark will reveal it on Fox News!

And if you step over here, I will sell you this very rare
piece of the Brooklyn bridge from the trunk of my car...
BHN

[karynnj]

127. Care to explain?

I am seriously confused as to your points.

[kerrygoddess]

134. It's Congress members only

It's my understanding from his staff that he had some Senate meeting to attend.

It's Congress (not the Senate)who starts impeachment proceedings if I am thinking clearly.

[kerrygoddess]

135. WHY IS THIS KERRY BASHING THREAD ALLOWED TO CONTINUE?

WTF!!!!

When are all the fools bashing Kerry going to learn that you are HURTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

These threads should not be allowed to continue like this. It's freeper heaven to see this crap here!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

140. Because the Moderators for this thread have either gone to sleep, or.....

...they support the Kerry bashing. That's pretty sad, IMHO.

[kerrygoddess]

148. Yes it is.

This is part and parcel what is wrong with the Dem Party!

[BeHereNow]

151. or, or, or...

DU has not falied to notice that Kerry has
been absolutely INVISIBLE and SILENT on the DSM?
What WAS that promise to address it last Friday?
WHERE was Kerry today as Conyers entered the lions
den?
Oh shucks, how DARE anyone notice his, and the other so called
other champions of the party's absence.
Silly DUers for mentioning/questioning such things.
Ah me.
BHN

[LittleClarkie]

153. Why was this invisible and silent person

the first besides Conyers to mention DSM then.

And don't you think it's condescending to insist that Conyers needs to hold a Senator's hand while he does his work in the House? If a Senator doesn't show up, then the Reps are just playing government? How insulting to the House.

Reid was not absent on the issue today. Kerry hasn't been absent. Durbin has certainly not been absent on the issue of Gitmo, bless him?

Criticism is fine. But it's nice if the critic actually knows what he's talking about, and isn't speaking in drunken haiku.

[BeHereNow]

156. PLEEEZE? Give me some links?

I need some hope and you need
to stop using "drunk" as a legitimate
debate stance.
You have clung to ONE concept as a valid
reason to debunk my points.
WHAT does that remind me of?
Scotty?
Karl?
Sean?
Is that you Bill? Rush?

BHN

[LittleClarkie]

160. We've all been asking you what the hell you're talking about

until we get that clarification, there are no points to debunk. You're not being clear. We're asking you to speak more plainly. What's the problem?

You seem upset that Clark is on Fox, but you won't explain why you seem to have a problem with him.

Kerry is circulating a letter among his fellow Senators that he will then take to Bush. He has also promised a speech on the Senate floor, though Frist has been keeping the schedule quite full. An action alert can be found at www.downingstreetmemo.org if you'd like to call your Senator to encourage him to sign Kerry's letter as I have mine.

Here is a link to an earlier thread where Reid is talking about the memo. Dr. Fate, our loudest voice on the DSM as it relates to our Dem leaders, what quite pleased.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1860028

The Durbin issue is all over the board, so you can find that yourself. He's not backing down from calling Gitmo a gulag, I can tell you that.

[fedupinBushcountry]

162. Excuse me

It seems to me that you keep on putting the blinders on to the answers you have received.

Now hmmm let me see who does that remind me of...... :think:

[BeHereNow]

164. WHAT answers?

I have asked repeatedly for documentation
of actual change invoking actions or words-
so far there have been no answers to that request.
Guess I should not worry, eh?
No reason to question anyone who SAYS they represent
OUR interests although no documentation or proof of
that claim exists.

BHN

[pissed_American]

149. Kerry is a WEAK PHUCK

That`s why. Skull and Bones forever?

[LittleClarkie]

152. Do you have any concept

Of how making comments like that discredits both you and us as a whole? We need hard facts, not fantasy and speculation stitched out of thin air.

Because if we will do that to Kerry, then people can point to that idiocy when we criticize Bush and say, "See, they're delusional. Don't believe what they say."

[The Magistrate]

166. Locking

This is flame-bait, that has more than succeeded in that purpose.