DSM: Blogs for *: "BRING IT ON"

[paineinthearse]

This blog was singled out by MSNBC during its DSM coverage.

http://www.blogsforbush.com/

By Mark Noonan at 06:24 AM

We had heard that it was John Kerry who was going to bring up the so-called "Downing Street Memo" as part of a Democratic program to stir the political pot...I suspected that Kerry wouldn't actually do it, viewing the issue as one for the freako-far left and Kerry was just throwing them a bone. Problem with thrown bones, however, is that rabid leftists are all over them. This news story details how Democrats want an official inquiry to determine if President Bush misled Congress into supporting the liberation of Iraq. My guess is that none of these Democrats are urging that the inquiry include President Clinton, who did sign the 1998 law enjoining the United States to seek the liberation of Iraq.

There is no possibility of a meeting of the minds between pro- and anti-Administration forces. The left has absolutely convinced itself that President Bush stole the election of 2000, engineered the 9/11 attacks, misled us into liberating Iraq and then stole the election of 2004 to cap it all off - this is absolutely absurd, but it is what the left believes.

While not quite out of the bag, the word "impeachment" is in the air - mostly in the fevered air of leftwing Democrats, but as leftwing Democrats control the Democratic Party, it only stands to reason that before long we will see senior members of the Democratic Party call for the impeachment of the President. We have reached the breaking point in American political life - while we still may pull back from the abyss, it is becoming ever more clear that we are in a (thus far) non-violent civil war for the soul of the United States. On one side stand those of us who live in the real world, on the other side those who live in a sick, anti-American fantasy world with themselves cast as saviours of humanity.

I say to the left - "bring it on"; there's nothing you can do to us which will sway us from our course. We are doing the right thing, we will win this War on Terrorism in spite of you - and, furthermore, we will reform this country in accordance with conservative principles. A few week-kneed people may fall by the wayside, but the overwhelming majority are ready for a fight to the finish.

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[irancontra]

1. pure pukeheads. they's just scurrred.

[trotsky]

2. Very telling quote

"A few week-kneed people may fall by the wayside"

They're preparing themselves for defections.

[tk2kewl]

3. At least Noonan was right about one thing...

On one side stand those of us who live in the real world, on the other side those who live in a sick, anti-American fantasy world with themselves cast as saviours of humanity.

[fooj]

4. Yep. Righteous indignation...

:banghead: Too much of the kool-aid!


peace.

[formercia]

32. I guess they took the wrong color pill

and washed it down with a big glass of Kool-Aid.

[AuntiBush]

5. They're SO FAR out of the Mainstream Now... these are the few left.

According to local Republican Radio Call-In shows, Internet & XM Conservative Radio, callers from all over the nation are "fed-up" with Bush's lies. I'm hearing a totally different sound on my end.

Even local Republican voters I know personally have been "fed-up" for sometime now. And they're a huge vocal group, nationwide.

Blogs for Bush are nothing more then armchair Anti-Americans. They say it themselves with remarks like "(thus far) non-violent civil war," to statements like "ready to fight to the finish" for "conservative principles."

Who the heck do they think they are? They do not speak for the rest of Americans. They don't speak for the Republicans I know.

So, there ya go, * bloggers!

[Guckert]

6. You have to be pretty stealth to get your comment on. they are screening.

I will see if my post makes it.

[Guckert]

7. My comment

Taguba:

Exactly, We only impeach for oral sex between consenting adults. Lying about reasons for war is sissy stuff compared to that. Just think of how many kids Clinton killed when his little swimmers died on the floor of the white house. that pales in comparison to the 1600+ kids dead in Iraq. Can't these libs add?? It's our Oil anyway. "Let Freedom Reign"

[Just Me]

11. OMG!! ROTFLMAO

:rofl: Did your post stay put?

I admire those who can stomach even going to those places.

[Amonester]

13. Good irony. Tell us how long it will stay there. ;-)

Very sadly though, the 1600+ # is now at 1700+...

:cry:

[Guckert]

16. Gone, but here is my new one.

Guckert:

Why do these America haters despise torture?? we need waterboarding and light sticks in the anus to get the info out of them to save Billions of Americans. If a couple get killed or "enlightened" needlessly, or if a little urine "unintentionally" gets on a Quran, so be it. Our Freedom and Liberty are a stake here. I guess Durbin forgot about the Lemon Chicken with rice pilaf and two fruits when he made his comparison. These godless terrorists and Dems need to remember that we run the world and we make the rules.

[Amonester]

23. ~ LOL ~ .... it seems they're so stupid that they

"forgot" to remove your username!

:headbang:

[Mythsaje]

8. Anti-American forces?

Oh, yes, that's right. Anyone who believes the President should be held accountable for deliberate deception, who believes that America shouldn't abandon its moral authority, who believes that the will of the people over the will of the corporations, is obviously anti-American.

These people make me sick. :puke:

Lying sack of hound droppings.

[tk2kewl]

9. My comment posted there in response

At least Noonan is right about one thing...
"On one side stand those of us who live in the real world, on the other side those who live in a sick, anti-American fantasy world with themselves cast as saviours of humanity."

He is just wrong about which side has its basis in reality and which side is subverting the principles of US Constitution.

The Republican Party has ceased to be a conservative voice and has become an Orwellian authoritative regime, controlled be the religious extremists, corporations and the ultra-rich.

[Frederik]

10. He's got one thing right

"We have reached the breaking point in American political life - while we still may pull back from the abyss, it is becoming ever more clear that we are in a (thus far) non-violent civil war for the soul of the United States. On one side stand those of us who live in the real world, on the other side those who live in a sick, anti-American fantasy world with themselves cast as saviours of humanity."

Spot on.

[Terran]

12. "We will win this War on Terrorism"

Yeah, that's living in the real world alright, Sparky.

It's really no wonder these cretins hated Clinton so much; they had nothing to occupy their little minds between the time the USSR fell apart and the time Chimpy came to power. 9/11 was the best thing ever to happen to them, as well as to Bush himself.

[aden_nak]

14. So, unjustified impeachment is the edge of the abyss?

Does he even KNOW what he is saying?

Well, yeah, of course he does. Does he care that he's a rabid idiot, is the question.

[lala_rawraw]

15. Bringing it on, bringing it... just make

Sure to put all of your purchased foot soldiers, hired talking heads, dirty tricksters, and so forth away... play it fair: fact against fact. Ready? Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paineinthearse]

17. You are one of our pre-eminent foot soldiers

With a HUGE boot!

[lala_rawraw]

18. and a bloody nose...

[killbotfactory]

19. Dear Conservative

Nobody likes you.

Go away

[Jack Rabbit]

20. I must not be part of the Left by Mr. Noonan's definition

The left has absolutely convinced itself that President Bush stole the election of 2000, engineered the 9/11 attacks, misled us into liberating Iraq and then stole the election of 2004 to cap it all off . . . .

Taking those one at a time:

President Bush stole the election of 2000 . . .

I plead guilty. I regard this as a solid historical fact that is no more in dispute than the proposition the Soviets and Nazis invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

Florida voters were illegally purged from the voter rolls because their raced matched and they had names similar to someone convicted of a felony in another state. This is election fraud. However, it didn't work. Even with thousands of voters purged, Gore won a narrow victory in Florida, as a press-sponsored recount showed. The Republicans had a 500-vote lead and used judicial manipulate to protect it. They also had plans in place to disregard the will of the voters, if it turned out not to have gone their way, and award Florida's electoral votes to Bush by an act of the state legislature, and, if that were disputed, but turning back a challenge under the byzantine provisions of the Twelfth Amendment.

The election was stolen. Mr. Bush was not elected legitimately President of the United States in 2000. Mr. Noonan and all others who deny the theft should just get over it.

. . . engineered the 9/11 attacks . . .

I resent this. Osama bin Laden engineered the 9/11 attacks. I don't think Mr. Bush or his lieutenants gave the matter the attention it deserved until after September 11. That certainly means that I reject MIHOP conspiracies; and, since I don't regard this as a conscious decision to allow the worst to happen in order to prop up a failing presidency, I don't regard myself as embracing LIHOP theories, either.

. . . misled us into liberating Iraq . . .

Mr. Noonan loads the issue with the word liberating. I don't believe that it is a liberation when an Iraqi regime is replaced with a classic colonial arrangement featuring a foreign dictator lording it over the natives, making contracts with foreign business to rebuild the country, saddling them with debt and privatizing national industries, all without the consent of the Iraqi people. Saddam's gang of murderers was replaced with Bush and Bremer's gang of thieves. That's not a liberation. Transfer of power to puppet regimes with little authority -- and none to revoke Mr. Bremer's odious decrees -- does not change the situation. Today, Iraq is not a free and sovereign nation.

While we're on that line, such a regime can only be maintained by instilling fear into the population. Thus, the war crimes in Fallujah and the crimes against humanity at Abu Ghraib, which is only one outlet in Mr. Bush's network of gulags in which the use of torture and humiliating punishment was approved at the highest levels of government. Mr. Noonan left that out. I am convinced Bush and some of his top aides, especially Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Gonzales, have conspired to deny prisoners of war and other protected persons their rights under the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment; accordingly, I maintain that Mr. Bush is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Now on to the point. Did Mr. Bush mislead us? No serious person can any longer say that he did not. Bush and his people made the decision to independent of facts to justify the action; they knew that the case against Saddam based on weapons of mass destructions and ties to al Qaida was, in the words of the Downing Street document of July 23, 2002, "thin"; for this reason facts about Saddam's military capabilities were fabricated and intelligence reports were dissembled ("intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy").

Bush and his people lied. There is no other way to read this.

. . . and then stole the election of 2004 . . . .

Perhaps or perhaps not. Officially, he won the popular election by four million votes. However, with the use of unaccountable touch screen voting machines manufactured by his political allies, this figure is suspect. Furthermore, irregularities including voter intimidation and the willful under-supplying of historically Democratic-leaning precincts in key battleground states, especially Florida and Ohio, leave one to wonder whether the election was free and fair.

Also, exit polls, which are accepted as reliable in places like Ukraine, are dismissed in the US when they show that Senator Kerry was headed to a narrow victory, yet Bush won with a vote beyond the margin of error. Dr. Mitofsky, who directed the exit polls, has suggested several explanations, but I personally find them unconvincing.

I won't categorically state that the election of 2004 was stolen, as was the election of 2000, but I regard it as an open question.

Nevertheless, the question is of little relevance. Because the election of 2000 was stolen and Mr. Bush's campaign was based on his illegitimate possession of the bully pulpit, his victory in 2004 is also illegitimate. Mr. Bush came to power illegitimately and, for that reason, he can never be regarded as President of the United States. No American, military or civilian, owes Mr. Bush any allegiance. We only advocate his impeachment and removal and that of Mr. Cheney as well to humor stalwarts such as Mr. Noonan.

That's two out of four. Maybe two and a half. Perhaps we should ask Mr. Noonan if I still qualify as Left.

[paineinthearse]

21. I'd rather ignore the idjut

but know we must read the crap in order to help us get the truth out to the great unwashed masses.

[Jack Rabbit]

25. I can see from the comments on the piece what the RW spin is on this

1. The 9/11 commission said there was no attempt to influence intelligence.

Wrong. The Commission said that it found evidence of it; that's not surprising because they didn't didn't look for it. For the commissioners to make such a "finding" borders on whitewashing. Falling back on this argument is desperation.

Sir Richard Dearlove wasn't looking for it, either. However, he found that the Bush regime had a "thin" case based on WMDs and ties to al Qaida, "(b)ut the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." We may infer from that that intelligence analysts were being influence to write things that weren't justified and that intelligence reports were dissembled, even that facts were fabricated. All of this has been reported, even prior to the invasion.

The DSM simply confirms what many of us surmised long ago: the Bushies were lying and lying deliberately.

2. Some people, such as Rush Limbaugh (a reliable source, that) predicted that Democrats would attempt to impeach Bush using Abu Ghraib, the "Guantanamo non-story" and the failure to find WMDs as a pretext.

This is so weak it isn't even really an argument.

It Rush was wrong about that, it would have just been another piece of hyperbole he tossed out to his minions like raw meat for consumption. That's probably what he thought it was at the time. He does it all the time.

However, if an impeachment resolution is introduced, those are perfectly valid reasons to remove Mr. Bush from office. Frankly, I can't think of a greater betrayal of trust he could have committed than lying about reasons for going to war when he knew that there were no legal justifications for going to war at all. It's a lot more serious than a tacky affair with an intern.

There are two separate sets of charges here. I refer to one as war crimes, that is, charges arising out of planning and executing an unprovoked war of aggression; and the other as crimes against humanity, which involves the denial of rights of prisoners of war and other protected persons under the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the use of illegal interrogation techniques under the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

These charges are actually much more serious than those made against Nixon in 1974. For one thing, Nixon was able to carry out his crimes with the assistance of just a handful of people, all members of White House and campaign staff; in addition to White House staff, such as Counsel Gonzales, National Security Adviser Rice and even Mr. Cheney and members of his staff, Bush needed the help of cabinet officers such as Rumsfeld and Powell and other high level members of the executive branch, and even some high ranking members of the military.

The breadth of these charges is remarkable. These may be the most wide-ranging and serious charges made against the leadership of one nation in almost sixty years. It's not just Bush who should be impeached, but Cheney and three cabinet officers. After that, there are a barrel full of people should be prosecuted under the War Crimes Act of 1996; if the federal government is unable or unwilling to prosecute, then an international tribunal should be convened for that purpose.

The ironic thing is that this is about the way they went about removing, of all people, Saddam Hussein, who was himself a brutal tyrant held in low esteem by the entire world. Saddam is another figure who comes to mind when one utters the phrase war criminal. In most circumstances, undermining Saddam and bringing the world crashing down on his head would have been something to celebrate. Yet the neoconservatives managed to do this in a way that left the world more dangerous, left Iraq poorer and brought discredit to themselves.

And we thought Bush was an idiot. That had to take genius.

[paineinthearse]

37. And we thought Bush was an idiot. That had to take genius.

* IS an idiot. Take away his ear piece/wire and his handlers and he would be an incoherent babbling mass of protoplasm.

[radar]

22. Skimmed the links...

And I didn't see anything resembling "Join the Military." No calls for the site's patriotic readers to do more than cheer from the rear.

"...nothing you can do to us which will sway us from our course. We are doing the right thing, we will win this War on Terrorism in spite of you - and, furthermore, we will reform this country..."

Must be the "royal we" he refers to.

http://www.goarmy.com/

http://www.marines.com/default.asp

[paineinthearse]

36. Hey Noonan, let's see your DD-214 nt

[Rex]

24. Mark Noonan is an idiot.

You can take away all the rhetoric and everything else in his worthless article and the truth would still be there - we didn't go into Iraq to 'liberate' the people, we went into Iraq to find WMD.

Hey Mark, get a life.

[calimary]

26. Bring 'em on, 'eh? Be careful what you ask for, my friends.

The overwhelming majority will start to make themselves seen and heard, and felt, on OUR side, not this noonan guy's.

[Independent_Liberal]

27. Whatever you say Bushbots!

Bring it on!

[converted_democrat]

28. Is Mark Noonan related to that bitch Peggy Noonan ? N\T

[Warren DeMontague]

29. Maybe he's related to world-class caddy Danny Noonan

You know, the Zen poet Basho once wrote.. the shortest distance between two points, is a straight line...

...in the opposite direction, Danny.

[converted_democrat]

33. Ha.... I love caddyshack!!! Peggy Noonan is a crazy R-winger just

wondered if they were related. You know keepin it all in the family!

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Yeah, I liked how Peggy Noonan took time off from her normal gig

i.e. rewriting the gipper's history in her quasi-sexual hero worship style-- last week to wax indignant about Woodward and Bernstein, and how they were personally responsible for the Cambodian Genocide. She's definitely another big fucking crackhead.

[tgnyc]

30. It's been brought,

muthafucka!

[Chichiri]

31. Chichiri's Response to Noonan

Fuck you too.

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. Who are they going to get to fight their civil war for them?

All 6 of the DC Freepers?