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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:51 PM
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The problem I have with impeachment...
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 05:51 PM by liberalpress
...is President Dick Cheney. So what, you say.. get 'em both! Exsqwueeze me, but President Dennis Hastert?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:51 PM
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1. Take back congress and you get President Pelosi.
It's an improvement.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:53 PM
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3. So before we do this impeachment thang...
...we gotta wait til 2006 and hope like hell Diebold doesn't get us.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:54 PM
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4. You're quite a pessimist.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:56 PM
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7. I wasn't till Diebold stole it in '04
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:52 PM
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2. arrrggh
I just ran out of the room screaming! The great thing about Nixon was that Agnew had previously been run out of town on a rail.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:55 PM
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5. Right. I've been thinking about that, too...
Gerald Ford wasn't much, but could you have imagined President Agnew?? Aggghhhhhhhh.....
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N_James Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:55 PM
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6. Impeachment is not possible
There's too strong of a GOP majority in Congress. Maybe some would be pressured to vote for impeachment, but I doubt there would be enough of them. What we can do is discredit the Bush Administration so much that voters wouldn't take it anymore, and paving the way for the 2006 and 2008 elections.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:00 PM
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8. either would strap the GOP to a terrible legacy in 2008....
Remember when Nixon left office, we got Ford, but the GOP's name was mud, at least for a while. Impeachment would be a resounding vote of no confidence in the entire neocon agenda, and it would bring them down in the next election or two. Then it would be up to another party, presumably the dems, to capitalize on that advantage and learn from the mistakes that have brought us to the edge of fascism so quickly. I don't know if the current dem leadership is up to that task, but ANY blow to the GOP would be welcome at this point.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:08 PM
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11. The GOP's name was mud, but I
personally never connected with Carter's overt souther-baptistness, his drawl, or his wonderful talk about a post-industrial economy.

Then the dems were ousted--I'm not sure blackbox voting can be blamed on this one--for 12 years. Reagan for 8, Bush I for 4.

We went from a major blow to Nixonian politics to Reaganism in 4. Ouch.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:17 PM
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12. yeah, that's why I emphasized the importance...
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 06:19 PM by mike_c
...of capitalizing on the advantage to create real reforms that would prevent the party of greed from scrabbling back into power in another election cycle. You're right-- Carter was not up to that, despite my unbounded respect for him. He was simply not the right president for that time, and Reagan's election proves the point, IMO.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:47 PM
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17. i liked Carter
and if you recall, it was the same dirty dealings of the people in power right now that cost Carter a second term. you know, - hostage deals, iran-contra, etc.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:05 PM
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9. Senselessbrenner will not allow investigation
So, we can't even begin proceedings until 2007 when a new, hopefully Democratic, Congress convenes. If that happens we will have a majority leader, Nancy Pelosi, who will be second in line.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:06 PM
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10. The impeachment process would include the VP and a few others...
They are all guilty of this evilness.

Unfortunately, it might end before Hassert - he would take over.

Unless we can prove election fraud (we all know it - it too would take a smoking voting machine) and mandate a new election. Unprecented...
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:23 PM
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13. Impeachments properly done can tie the neo-cons in
knots for years. If the criminal was appointed, no need to impeach. Just arrest them for war crimes.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:26 PM
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14. The good thing about President Dick Cheney:
10% approval ratings.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:26 PM
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15. My problem - and this is sad to say but true I fear
Is that the uninformed sheeple of Amurka will assume that any attempt to impeach the chimperor will be based more on a desire to retaliate for Clinton's impeachment than on his actual malfeasance, which they don't really know about anyway.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:42 PM
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16. Actual impeachment is simply the icing
the investigation and deliberation is the key.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:13 PM
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18. Prez Cheney is what we have now.
I have done a 180 on this. A flip flop, if you will. Bring down Bush and you bring down Cheney and the cabinet. Because they are ALL in this together and none can distance themselves. Cheney's foul fingerprints are all over the fixed intelligence, that is why Ray McGovern pointed out his unprecedented trips to the CIA to cook the data. They will all go down. What will be left will be under investigation and turmoil will reign. The executive branch will be in complete disarray.

What will happen following impeachment? Lets find out!
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