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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:05 AM
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Clark/Lieberman ticket
First, I'm a Dean supporter.
One of the things that is worrying me about Clark is who he would select as his running mate if he wins the nomination. I mean if this guy is surrounded by Ex-Gore 'people' and Clintoites, it sounds to me like there would be a good chance Lieberman gets on the ticket with him.
If that happens....I will be pissed!! :mad:

What do you guys think??
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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1. I think it's awfully early
to be getting bunged up about the VP pick for a candidate who just got in one full year before the pick has to be made.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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2. No, I doubt he would pick Lieberman
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:11 AM by CMT
if anything the General would have to try to pick a liberal who would appeal to the left wing of the party. He has enough centrist support, he needs someone who will make the left want to work for the ticket--and Joe ain't that guy.

Given the Clinton connection I wouldn't be surprised if he selected Hillary Clinton to be on the ticket with him.
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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:11 AM
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10. I agree
Clark alone should gather enough centrist support...you and I know that...but that doesn't mean the DLC and it's supporters would reason it out like that...I'm worried...
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:14 AM
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14. She won't be VP
Trust me. And Lieberman would add absolutely nothing to the ticket. Dean, Kerry and Gephardt would, however.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:46 AM
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30. Gep would probably do nicely, since Gep is from the
midwest and is polling nicely in a head to head against bush.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:16 AM
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18. Edwards Edwards Edwards
Kerry and Dean would almost certainly back the ticket, securing New England perhaps including New Hampshire. New York and California would be mortal locks, along with Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Clark would hopefully be able to land Arkansas, Edwards hopefully brings home the Carolinas and West Virginia, and the battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio will be up to the unions.

Last I heard, Edwards doesn't have a job after the race is run.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:26 AM
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26. Yes
Edwards would be a good contrast too--youthful with a young family. A southern/southern ticket like Clinton/Gore. Plenty of time for Edwards to stump without worrying about a senate race of his own.

I think Edwards will probably be on the short list for Clark, Kerry, Gep, and Dean.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:33 AM
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28. I hadn't considered Edwards
he'd be good, too.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:53 AM
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31. Don't disagree, but you're off a bit
You said Wisconsin was a mortal lock, it isn't. WI, IO, NM, OR, and PA are and will be the top targets of the GOP of the states that officially went for Gore.

Edwards would bring into play(on the top of the ticket or for Clark to reinforce) NC, FL, TN, WV, and AR. Maybe even VA and GA, but NOT SC. Although his birthstate, it'll be out of reach for a while.

Edwards would also make a good Atty General. He is the only candidate with serious DOJ reform proposal or any DOJ reform proposal at all.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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3. That is my concern
One major concern is this possibility...I want to think that he would'nt, but I just don't know.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:12 AM
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11. If he gets the nomination he'll likely pick one of his closest
challengers because that would help unite the party. I'm guessing that would be Kerry or Dean. Or perhaps Gephardt. Adding Lieberman to the ticket would make no sense because he's generated zero grass-roots support. And why would Lieberman even want to be someone's VP - again? I wouldn't worry. This is a scenario I can't see happening.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:15 AM
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I hope you're right
I'd love a Clark/Dean ticket, and I'll be perfectly happy with a Dean/Clark ticket as well...may the best man win! (cause we all know the best man in this case sure as hell isn't * !) :toast:
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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:08 AM
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4. ugh - I sure hope not
It would be like having Wilford Brimley as Vice President. But seriously, I wonder if the Gore/Clinton people working for Clark now really care about Lieberman any more. I mean, if they did, wouldn't they just support him directly?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:09 AM
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5. That would certainly win in Newsweek polls
:puke:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:09 AM
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6. If that's the ticket, I'll move to Canada
Because that would pretty much prove some of the allegations that have been made recently about Clark being a Puke-lite DLC puppet. Allegations which I'm trying NOT to believe for the moment.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:09 AM
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7. More than a little miffed...
I would be a bit upset too. Joe is bad for everyone. Republican lite is not a solution.
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:10 AM
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8. Lieberman was no help to Gore
Could Clark be stupid enough to repeat that mistake?
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:11 AM
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9. Graham or Gep
if we can't get a Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean ticket. Get all those Union votes, some more southern votes, etc. Anyone Dem but Lieberman.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:13 AM
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12. North/South
What you need to win an election is a Northerner / Southerner ticket. A la Kennedy / Johnson. Ted Rall did a really good editorial a while back on this subject.
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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:15 AM
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16. yeah...
Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:17 AM
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19. That's why Dean or Kerry make the most sense
Lieberman's a northerner, too, obviously, but he won't be the asset Dean or Kerry will.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:14 AM
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13. My own fear is that if Clark gets the nod, he'll briefly
forget to keep pretending he's a Democrat, and reflexively pick Dick Cheney as his running mate. I've fired off a couple of e-mails to Karl Rove so that he can program Clark not to make that mistake, but you never know for sure.
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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:15 AM
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15. ha ha
Yes, it's difficult to keep things running smoothly when the whole Clark campaign is being run by evil robots ;)
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:16 AM
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17. I'm afraid Dean is going to pick
Noam Chomsky.

Oh, he's not stupid is he? Neither is Wesley Clark.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:32 AM
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27. LOL!
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Dubyawatchers Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:21 AM
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20. Forget it
I can't remember the specific details, but clark and lieberman
have had "words" in the past over things. I don't think there's any way they could get together.
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WesWing2004 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:22 AM
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21. NOT!!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:23 AM
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22. never never never !!!! lieberman! i would vote a clark/nader before
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:25 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
your suggested ticket!...jays'us
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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:25 AM
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24. now that's a stretch....
we will never see that ticket...and I'm not really sure if that's a 'lock'...
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:26 AM
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25. Now that would be interesting..
*chuckled out loud at that* ;)
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:24 AM
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23. I'm an Edwards supporter, but I swear if the ticket was Clark/Edwards
I would be comfortable.

Very comfortable.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:45 AM
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29. I guess you didn't hear Lieberman diss Clark yesterday.
Worry not. Lieberman won't be on anybody's list for V.P.
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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:03 PM
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33. no i didn't...
I hope you are right...NO Lieberman!
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:02 PM
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32. Only a Dean supporter
Would suggest a Clark/Lieberman ticket. Report to the Dean's office for your reward.

All this worry about Clark coming from the Dean camp has me worried, haven't any of you people asked yourself....if Clark is so bad, why does Dean want him as VP?

It couldn't be just to take him out of the race could it, I mean if he is that bad for the party, why would you want him as your mate?



CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
Retyred IN FLA.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:11 PM
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34. That Newsweek article said Clark got fired up...
when Dean's camp linked their talks about the VP slot. It said Clark started putting a staff together that day. That was a desperation move that backfired on Dean.

The only thing that will kill Clark is if he totally bombs during the debates. He of course will excel when it comes to the national security issues. Nobody sounds better than Clark when it comes to discussing defense. His only challenge is to put over the domestic side. If he sounds at all credible, he's in.
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