People, you need to stop linking to tbrnews.org. That it gets linked

[geek tragedy]

here is an absolute fucking disgrace.

Tbrnews.org is run by Holocaust-deniers and Neo-Nazis on the far far far far right.

Be a smart liberal--don't use them as a news source.

Its reports on Jeff Gannon and gay orgies at the WH were a lie.

Its reports about thousands of unreported dead soldiers are lies.

If it's not rebranded from another site, it's a pack of damn lies.

They are fascist propagandists, and one should assume that all of their "reportig" is pure fiction.

[NMDemDist2]

1. a word to the wise is sufficient, thanks geek n/t

[spindoctor]

2. Amen!

:kick:

[OneBlueSky]

3. absolutely . . . most of the stuff on that site is pure fiction . . . n/t

.

[Tace]

4. This From Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/5/4/15748/99064

WARNING: Beware the "Voice from the White House"
by jbalazs
Wed May 4th, 2005 at 12:07:48 PDT

I have seen reference occasionally to "news" reports that apparently come from a White House insider. These reports are titled "The Voice of the White House" and are being put out there by TBRNews. The latest installement is all about Gannon (as are many previous postings).

According to TBR News, this "source" is "a reporter with access to the White House and Presidential press briefings." I began reading some of these reports from when they began back in March of 2004 and, while they are entertaining and sometimes convincing, something smelled bad. So I started to dig....

[geek tragedy]

5. The best that can be said for them is that they are clever Nazi liars.

This latest "7000 missing dead" hoax should remind all good progressives that they need to investigate a source before relying upon it.

[Gay Green]

28. Sounds like they want to...

...discredit Gannon/Guckert and the left-leaning bloggers with the same things.

• Discredit Gannon as the centre of all these fictitious sexual goings-on at the WH
  
  
• Discredit the bloggers by revealing they were all hoaxes.

[geek tragedy]

34. Don't forget pure homophobia. The Nazis hate homosexuals. eom

[salin]

6. never heard of it - tbr? what is it?

[geek tragedy]

7. It's the course behind all of the hoax theories stating that

there are 7000 troops who have died because of the Iraq war but haven't been counted.

[salin]

9. I haven't seen that claim, nor have I seen reference to

"tbr"

It would seem that a claim of 7000 dead (but unaccounted for?) troops would be an anti bush claim... but the points made in the OP read as if it comes from a pro bush group. Odd. Think I am glad that I am unfamiliar with the site and their claims.

[geek tragedy]

18. I don't get into the specific motivations of Nazi liars. I just know that

their general intent is evil and that liberals and progressives should NEVER align ourselves with them or express approval of them.

[charlie]

31. TBR is being cited

with some credulity as the source for the claim by people who ought to know better:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/jim-lampley/the-ultimate-deception_2838.html

[salin]

33. followed the link in the blog post

and then to the site then to the links on the site - (only two links) one to "Bender Publishing" - which has a heck of a lot of stuff on the third reich - uniforms... how to distinguish real 3rd reich elite helmets as opposed to the flood on the market of fakes... ugh.

I always check the "links" to sites to get a read on the perspective. Again ugh.

Thanks for the pointer.

And, btw, :hi: Always good to see you!

[charlie]

35. Hiya

Thanks salin, I'm pleased to see you again, too! Back online after a relocation, I'm hunkered over a laptop perched on a box in my empty living room. Hopefully my furniture will be here soon, so I can read DU without my back and behind aching :hi:

[salin]

40. hope that

the move is a good one for you and that you and your furniture are quickly reuinited!

[LuPeRcALiO]

8. please give it a rest.

There's no excuse for this war no matter where the criticism comes from.

[donco6]

10. No, quotations from unreliable sources are bad form.

And it is important.

[LuPeRcALiO]

12. there IS an excuse for this war?

Please share.

[Name removed]

13. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LuPeRcALiO]

15. ignoring the truth

is the point of this thread.

[geek tragedy]

17. What makes you think that NAZIS and HOLOCAUST DENIERS

have the truth?

Why on earth should liberals be quoting NAZIS?

Smart liberals distrust anything that NAZI PROPAGANDISTS have to say.

[LuPeRcALiO]

19. Dana Milbank

just exposed the meaning of that claim in the Washington Post.

[geek tragedy]

24. What does Dana Milbank have to do with Neo-Nazis? n/t

[bettyellen]

20. go discredit yourself if you want, but many here appreciate the heads up.

if you don't have a problem keeping company with those folk, that's on you.

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[geek tragedy]

25. Do you keep company with the folks behind tbrnews.org?

They actually ARE anti-semites. They deny the Holocaust happened.

If you want to throw away the right to call yourself a progressive by aligning yourself with the fascist right, go right ahead.

[bettyellen]

26. the site has holcaust deniers.... and you say they're being smeared?!?

dude, that is anti-semiitism. and it's on that web site, and if you want to link with it, i and others might then guess you might agree, or not give a shit about blatant anti-semitism or bullshit whire power attempts to rewrite history.
hey, if you're fine with it, you're fine with it. 'nuff said.

[LuPeRcALiO]

32. No I didn't say that

obviously.

[bettyellen]

36. you defend the website as legit....

and then tried to make it about a bunch of other people who have nothing to do with it, other than they have been smeared.
were you not implying the site itself was also smeared? if not, what did that list of people have to do with the website we were talking about? why list these people if they have nothing to do with the arguement at hand? i thought that this smear comment was how you chose to defend those nazi lovers by comparing them to legitmately good people?

[LuPeRcALiO]

38. Didn't do that either.

I'm talking about the article. You keep talking about the website.

Bye. :hi:

[geek tragedy]

42. The article was written by the asshole running the site.

If one doesn't believe the author, one doesn't believe the article.

When an article is based exclusively on the 'original reporting' of a Neo-Nazi propaganda outfit, one can safely conclude that it's nothing more than a pack of lies.

Until there is PROOF provided by that author, the only rational thing to do is conclude that the story is a lie.

[LuPeRcALiO]

43. The article is by Brian Harring.

It's discussed in a blog by Jim Lampley appearing on Ariana Huffington's website. Are they Nazi Holocaust deniers too?

[tx_dem41]

44. Nope....it makes them fools for not checking their sources.

and being in league with white supremacists.

Here's what Morris Dees and SPLC has to say about them:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=477

"Several key white supremacists signed on, including former Klan leader Don Black, who runs the neo-Nazi Web site stormfront.org; Willis Carto, publisher of The Barnes Review; Sam Dickson of the ccc; Ed Fields, publisher of the white-supremacist newspaper The Truth at Last; and National Alliance leaders David Pringle and Kevin Strom."


Info from wikipedia about TBR and their owner...a lovely guy :eyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Review

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto

[geek tragedy]

51. No, they're just stupid and careless for linking to it.

The ONLY rational approach is to assume that everything there is a damn lie. If they can't PROVE something, they're lying about it.

If they claim that they have proof that they don't reveal, they're lying.

If you want to trust the word of Holocaust deniers, go right ahead.

[bettyellen]

45. you did so right here: "no matter where the criticism comes from."

that's you saying it doesn't matter at all to you what this site's embarrassing history is.
other people here prefer to "consider the source". obviously, you don't.
see ya.

[LuPeRcALiO]

47. nope.

The criticism is coming from the article, which has a byline, not the website. It happens to appear on a website that according to Geek Tragedy "rebrands" assorted articles.

They also reprint articles from ABC News, Agence France Presse, BBC, Boston Globe, CBS News, Chicago Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, CNN, Council on Foreign Relations, Financial Times, Human Events, Jerusalem Post, Los Angeles Times, MSNBC, The Nation, The New York Times, Newsweek, New York Press, Tom Paine, Reuters, Whitehouse.org, Time, Toronto Globe & Mail, Daily Mirror, Evening Standard, The Guardian, The London Times, and The Washington Post.

Should we "ignore" the information in all those articles because the articles are carried on this site?

[bettyellen]

48. rewrite, rebrand, you want to keep defending the site.....

that really your perogative. if i found something there myself, i'd think it smart to go back to the original source. just knowing it's filtered through an unreliable souece with connections to anti-semetic organizations is enough to make me wary.
but i guess i give a shit about using reliable sources, so you have another approach. if they're good enough for you, fine. but please stop defending them and then denying it.
you like them as a source, that says plenty. :shrug:

[The Magistrate]

49. The Problem With That, Sir

Is that article is not picked up from anywhere: Mr. Herring seems to be the "domestic intelligence reporter" for the site, a conclusion much in the article itself supports. That means the article is, in fact, the product of an ultra-reactionary Anti-Semite. Such people have a pretty poor track record where telling the truth about anything is concerned....

[kliljedahl]

11. Never heard of it, what's it stand for?

The Bullshit Report?


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[geek tragedy]

52. The Barnes Review. Google it---but make sure to hold your nose

while doing so.

[UTUSN]

14. Except for the 9 Words following "The Neocons or" It Could Be Posted Here

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1660.htm

America’s Enemies!

There are three entities who represent the most dangerous enemies to American liberties since George III.

They are:

1. The Neocons or Likudists who owe their personal allegiance to another country and now completely control our foreign policy. They lied and deceived us into the Iraq war and are demanding that more and more American soldiers die to preserve their own country and ideals.

2. The Christian Evangelical right who is trying to force the United States into becoming a theocracy under their rule. They know in their hearts that they alone can restructure a secular humanist America into their idea of Heaven on Earth.

3. George W. Bush who is the worst president in the history of the United States and who is directly responsible for the huge death tolls in Iraq, is determined to rule the United States until God puts a stop to him and is even more determined to force the American people into obedient, Christian and self-sacrificing lemmings.

Recommended reading

We gather information, on a daily basis, from many websites. There are a number of publications that are well worth viewing for their intelligent reporting of national and international news. All of those sources, listed below, are daily newspapers with the exception of the Asia Times. The latter is a very well written site with in-depth articles that are worth reading.

The New York Times: www.nytimes.com
The Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com
The Christian Science Monitor: www.csmonitor.com
The Guardian: www.guardian.co.uk
Seattle Post-Intelligencer: www.seattlepi.nwsource.com
Asia Times www.atimes.com

Note: Very little of the information in this edition of TBR news has come from the mainline American media. It is just not there. Most of it has come from foreign sources and the Internet. Most of our sources can be seen on the main page.

The Voice of the White House

June 16, 2005: “Your articles on the short-changed DoD death lists are not making you very many friends inside the Beltway. If this ever get out to the masses of Americans, there will be serious trouble. I have heard Bush say that there is no way anyone is going to dictate to him and his policy is to remain in Iraq as long as he feels it is necessary, come what may. This leaves his toadies to cover up the growing criticism over this ill-advised project . All the polls, and increasingly the media, are pointing out that the public is growing very unhappy with this Iraq business and Bush’s ratings are rapidly tanking. The media, timid as ever, is slowly beginning to realize the way the wind is blowing and are starting to trim their corporate sails.

In defiance of the Amnesty International severe criticism of Guantanamo Gulag, the people here refuse to consider doing away with it. Under increasing public scrutiny and criticism, Rumsfeld , Cheney and Bush absolutely refuse to budge an inch on any of this. This is typical of the inflexibility of the administration and without a doubt, given the upcoming Mid-Term elections, Congress is growing restive, fearful that an outraged voter base might chuck them out…pry them away from the money pot…and you are seeing more and more moderate Republicans moving away from the far right wing of their party and, like Clinton, towards the center. Pretty soon, all Bush and his bully boys will have left are a handful of nuts like Santorum, DeLay and a few others and this will not constitute any kind of a governing majority. I have seen this before and from comments I have heard from nervous Republican lawmakers, a consummation devoutly to be wished. Congerss has passed stem cell legislation against Bush’s wishes and has now begun to pick away at the notorious Patriot Act, let along tampering with his budget demands. All beginnings are difficult but hopefully the tide will turn.”

********UNQUOTE*******

[geek tragedy]

16. They're Nazis, and only fascists and unbelievably stupid liberals

trust them.

[UTUSN]

21. Well, I'd Never Heard of Them, Much Less Trust Them

Am just pointing out what I said. I trust I'm not the "unbelievably stupid liberals" referenced.

[geek tragedy]

23. Never said you were. n/t

[UTUSN]

46. Kick for Thank-you n/t

[Irreverend IX]

27. TBRNews and the left

Does anyone remember the thread at Stormfront where they were talking about going into Free Republic to attract new members? That was freaky in and of itself, but some of the other posters on there were talking about the importance of recruiting on the left as well as the right. If there are neo-Nazis trying to pander to liberals, it could explain some of these TBRNews stories.

[geek tragedy]

30. Try doing a search in the 911 forum for fascist right/Holocaust denial

organizations, individuals, or websites like the American Free Press, Tbrnews.org, thetruthseeker.co.uk, and John Kaminski.

There is very clearly an attempt to infiltrate the left by these Reich-wingers.

[oblivious]

39. If someone links those sites, it doesn't mean they are regular readers.

I see you mentioned thethruthseeker. I know nothing about this site, but yesterday I was not at the computer with my files on it, so I did a quick google to get a John Pilger quote I had remembered. That was the first link I found with the quote I wanted.

It doesn't mean anything. I had never visited the site before. It just happened to have the quote I wanted. Example below, post 15.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1561157#1561295

[geek tragedy]

41. The point is that they rebrand material that leftists may be looking for

for or make stuff up that leftists would find useful.

They also change the wording on articles in an attempt to disinform people.

[charlie]

29. They've always been junk

Remember their first big splash, the "insider" memos circulated amongst the top echelon at a "major" media outfit? The smoking gun that proved news cycles were orchestrated from the White House? Remember the execs acting like snickering fratboys, giddy with the kewlness of getting away with THE killer prank? Memos larded with needless exposition, so anyone outside their circle could get up to speed on The Story Thus Far at a glance?

That site has always published homebrew crap.

[Gay Green]

37. Their website colors are

brownshirt tan and blood red. That should be enough of a giveaway.

[Swede]

50. Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

This is one of those times.

[The Magistrate]

53. indeed, Sir

Generally the enemy of your enemy is just your next enemy, or even a worse enemy....