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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:32 PM
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I got tomb-stoned!
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 10:34 PM by Maestro
From a freakin' computer hardware site that had an open political forum. I was gnashing it out with some freepers. When one found out I was from DU because I mentioned it, he really went on a tirade. Anyhow, this was my response to him. I don't know if he got tomb-stoned too, but it doesn't matter. There are a ton of good hardware sites out there. I can live without this one. His last response to me listed a bunch of sites that he told me I should read before debating him as if he were some master debater (there is a joke in there, right?).
______________________

No, thanks. I've checked out many conservative places on the web and they strike me as nothing more than cultish, self-righteous, narrow-minded, simple minded, neo-con trash. But hey since you are here, explain this to me.

1) Economy is a shambles and your cult leader has saddled generations with a huge deficit, in part, because of a war that was not necessary.




2) The wars, one justified and unfinished; the other a complete waste of lives and money, but in the conservative warped mind it was okay because Saddam was bad, and supported terrorism and had WMD's or the mere potential to do all of this. Where are the WMD’s? Wait, they were never there and now the Downing Street Memos prove that the * Cabal was going to war no matter what. So far $200,000,000,000 and almost 2,000 lives have been wasted. For what? Please tell me! And now Condasleeza says that we have to expect a generational commitment in Iraq! Wonderful. Open your damn eyes! Your leader does nothing expect repeat the same old shit! His latest radio address could have been written a year ago. He goes on about how the economy is improving, blah, blah, blah and then he pulls out the trump card. He talks about the “terrarists” and 9-11 and it seemed that he even tried to link, yet again, Saddam to 9-11. Is he really this stupid? Does he think I am? Obviously, you are, but he is insulting the 52 million of us that didn’t vote for him. Oh well, you have to keep the populace scared, don’t ya? How do like this pic of daddy Dick?


It's easy scare people with a poor mind like this:

3) The ever creeping influence of religion in government. This is frightening. Not everyone subscribes to the form of Christianity that Shrub has hijacked. It is unjust to represent people from such varied religious and non-religious backgrounds with such heavy handed and "morally" religious manner. Shrub is not religious. He uses it to pander for votes. He is just as bad as Usama bin Forgotten for usurping Islam. Let me remind you of something. The First Amendment to the Constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” This is first, not free speech or press, but the desire to never, ever establish or prohibit any and all religions. So at home and in your churches, worship as you see fit, but it public institutions like schools and courts, stay the hell out! Let me say that again. This government cannot even seem to support any religion at the exclusion of others. So Frist and Pat Robertson and James Dobson and Ralph Reed and all your other friends that support these radical mullahs need to read the First Amendment!

4) Underfunding social programs, most importantly education, and placing stupid yearly progress goals that are impossible to meet in some situations because his education "advisers" aren't even educators. Hell Reid Lyon, who is pushing the reading agenda, was a former Army grunt and spent two years as a teacher and Shrub sees him as some sort of reading guru. He's an idiot. I know how to teach reading because I am teacher and studied how to be a teacher, but Shrub continues to spit in our face. What other demands are unreasonable? How about this...if special education children do not take an on-grade-level exam, the school is penalized. What? Really? Yes, really, the Shrub admin are such idiots that they don't understand that special education children work at below grade level for a reason while specially trained teachers work to get them up to level over time. See www.susanohanian.org for more info or www.alfiekohn.org .

5) The environment is being destroyed and not one person seems to care about the world in which we will live in 50 years and even worse the one in which my kids will live. Just go here if you dare and peruse through the links. http://www.saveourenvironment.org/about.html Truth hurts, uh? But you don’t care because your type is an egotistical, “I’m only worried about myself, here and now type.” It’s not surprising for your feeble mind. You have no forward thinking.

6) Government telling me what to do and where to go. Big government encroaching into my personal territory. Has it ocurred to any of your repube friends that the repube party once stood for small government and now it is pushing big government bureaucracy? And why the hell did the government work so hard to involve itself in the Schiavo case? It was a tragic family matter. Do you remember butthead Frist’s diagnosis that Terri was responding to stimuli? He was completely wrong as were every one of your “culture of life” freaks. She was blind and her poor brain and shrunk to half the normal size of a person’s brain. She was not there!

Oh and let’s talk gay marriage. Why the hell are you repukes so scared of gays? I really think that you repukes that protest so much are so gay and you hate yourselves for it so you attack other gays. You gay gay bashers hide behind some cloak of hetero marriage defenders but how in God’s name is banning gay marriage going to stop the high divorce rate among men and women?

I could go on, but I am tired. Feel free to spew your rhetoric. I didn’t come here to debate the likes of you but you can't think for yourself anyway. You like an image so you support it without actually seeing the big picture (It’s that narrow-minded thing again). That is all. I actually care about something a bit more profound. Go back home and live in your bubble.

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So did I go too far? Some of the images I got from right here at DU! I posted them before in responses to right wingers at my church and now at this computer site. Oh well.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:38 PM
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1. It is hardwork
Hardwork

Trying plotting a US ...Goodwill or reputation chart

Bloody Hardwork.....

Well D.Trump should look at this and comment

" YOU ARE FIRED"
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:42 PM
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5. Hardwork™
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:52 PM
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37. I wish it were that easy to get rid of the Chimp.
:shrug:
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:07 PM
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50. "as if he were some master debater"??
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 11:08 PM by johnfunk
More like:

...as if he were some master  de bater

Hope the clarification helps :headbang:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:27 PM
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52. I knew there was a joke in there somewhere!
:rofl:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:38 PM
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2. bravo Maestro
I'm sure it fell on deaf ears, but they're good to practice on
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
28. Thanks. You're probably right,
but it felt good writing it. ;)
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:39 PM
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3. You used too many big words.
Perhaps something along the lines of "My Pet Goat" would have worked better for this cultist.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:47 PM
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12. That is funny!
:rofl:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:24 PM
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30. You forgot to tell them that you were SERIES, and the info was HUGH!!!
:)
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:33 PM
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32. If hadn't got tomb-stoned,
I would have swiped your sig and put it as mine there. Man, that would have cheesed them off. Love the sig, btw!
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:35 PM
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34. They do have their own way of speaking,
don't they?
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:48 AM
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18. LOL!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:39 PM
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4. That chart tells it all....no further discussion required about
Republican fiscal responsibility. They hate it when you introduce reality into the argument.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:44 PM
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9. And the thing is, that chart comes from the government.
Someone from DU posted it last year and I kept it. I've used it before on some other people, mainly from my church. It doesn't seem to impress them. I'm not sure why.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:20 PM
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41. Showed that same chart to Repubs at my work
Real kool-aide drinkers. Saying it was all left wing bs. I pointed out that it was from the non-partisan CBO. Didn't matter to them.

Again, they are part of the 30% who believe that Bush would never lie and that he is truly a "man of God."
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:43 PM
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48. Doesn't surprise me.
I don't know what else to do with drunk kool-aid drinkers and to think that they think he is a man of God is laughable if it weren't so sad.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:42 PM
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6. They'll never read all that and they need smaller words and shorter
sentences. That sounds mean, but seriously. It's true.

Good job anyway. :hi:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:46 PM
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11. So I was tomb-stoned for the images?
It's a freaking political forum but I guess I made one too many personal jabs. :shrug:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:56 PM
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15. Sounds like the admins
are bushtards.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:58 PM
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17. Not just the mods.
Most of the members apparently which is strange. If I am not mistaken, it is hardware site based in England. The guys I was debating were all Americans from what I could tell. I guess they perceived some of what I said as a personal attack. And it was! I just have no patience for these freaks any more.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:42 PM
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7. Yeah, that was a bit shrill.
I never feel like having those conversations. Especially with people who refuse to feel any empathy whatsoever. They have no capacity for self-reflection, and they will never, ever care.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:43 PM
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8. You did well my friend the truth always hurts a false reality.
n/t
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:46 PM
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10. You got to somebody over there.
Sorry I can't hear his answer.

--IMM
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:47 PM
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13. Too many words for a Freeper
You made their head go BOOM! :)
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:50 PM
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14. My God, that chart. n/t
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:56 PM
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16. I didn't make that crap up either.
It's from the CBO! It's disgusting! Freepers just like to ignore it. I even had one guy tell that our economy works better when it is debt laden.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:55 AM
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19. But, but, but...
Uh, uh, uh, Clinton got a blowjob. And, uh.... *waves flag*

Great post! Damn shame it got you banned there. Mind if I swipe that graph?
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:58 AM
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21. Go right ahead.
I had swiped from someone else here at DU who had probably swiped from someone else. ;)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:46 AM
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23. And as I swiped it, I saw I already had a copy of this
I swiped long ago! :)
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:22 PM
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29. We probably swiped it from the same person.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:57 AM
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20. "gay gay bashers"
That's fucking classic.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:59 AM
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22. I'm glad you caught that.
I was thinking that too many would see that as a typo or something. ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:33 AM
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24. No te sofoques por pequeneses
(I can't spell in Spanish either!)
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:12 AM
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27. No me preocupo mucho.
Don't worry. I don't sweat the small stuff. ;)
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:04 AM
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25. Too far? Oh, not at all! It is/was wonderful! I'm bookmarking it to use
in the future, if you don't mind!?

Dayum! I wish I was as fast on my feet as some of you guys are around here! I get mad & get stupid - I don't think of the erudite arguments till after I've left the fray. Keep siccing 'em, Maestro!
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:10 AM
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26. Sure. Go right ahead.
Most of the info, I pieced together from DU anyhow. ;)
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:33 PM
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31. brilliant
and thank you.

I will be using parts of it myself, if it's alright with you.

Well done! :thumbsup:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:34 PM
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33. Go right ahead.
The more the merrier!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:35 PM
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35. Why haven't more people nominated this thread? It's fantastic!
Hehehehehehe
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:38 PM
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36. Please do.
I'd be humbled and honored.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:52 PM
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38. Did Maestro...I am honored to do so on your behalf...
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:04 PM
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39. Hehe!
Thanks. :)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:07 PM
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40. WAY TO GO
Absolutely beautiful

Bet it felt good writing it too :)
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:28 PM
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53. Thanks
And if felt reeeaaaalllll guuuuuuuuuuud!
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:37 PM
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42. Someone should update that graph.
Projected 2003 is outdated plus unscientific.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:31 PM
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45. It's a pretty old pic.
Hopefully someone smarter than me can get chart the new more up-to-date info from the CBO. The chart is from the CBO. What is unscientific out of curiosity?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:38 PM
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46. Whenever I used it, they always took aim at the "projected" part.
They think that it is unscientific. It would help if it were stated in more of a concrete way, but the graphic was made before 2003.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:42 PM
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47. I think I might go the CBO
and try to look up some newer figures. I wonder how that graph was made?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:59 PM
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49. You could probably do it in Microsoft Excel.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 11:00 PM by Massacure
I don't know if you have that program or not. If you could find me source data I could probably make the graph when I muster up the spare time.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:26 PM
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51. Oh yes. I have it.
Look at what I found here.

Goldman-Sachs on OMB’s Deficit Estimates

“The Office of Management and Budget has perfected the art of under-promising and outperforming in terms of its near-term budget deficit forecasts. For example, in its semiannual review, the OMB lowered its deficit forecast for fiscal 2004 to $445 billion from $521 billion. This creates the impression that the deficit is narrowing when, in fact, it will be up sharply from the $375-billion imbalance of a year earlier. This process is likely to continue in October, when the fiscal 2004 deficit turns out to be lower than the current OMB forecast.

“In contrast, the OMB’s longer term forecasts — a deficit that falls in half in five years — appear to be too optimistic for two reasons. First, spending will almost certainly be higher than projected, both due to the added funds needed for Afghanistan and Iraq and because the assumed freeze in real domestic discretionary spending has no historical precedent. Second, some of the tax law changes sought by the administration, such as relief from the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), are not built into the current projections.”

Source: Goldman Sachs, “US Economic Analyst,” August 6, 2004, p. 3


From this site. http://www.cbpp.org/9-7-04bud-sum.htm
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:46 PM
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43. Great work, but I'm sure he couldn't read that many words at one time.
Next time you'll have to make it shorter. Just say something like, "You're a fucking idiot and so are your stupid friends." Then, when you get tomb-stoned, you wouldn't have given away so much effort for somebody who will never get it anyway.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:31 PM
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44. I love that first graph - I sending it to a couple RWers!!
Thanks!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:41 PM
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54. Thx for the graph; it's the kind of thing that works with independents (nt
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:18 AM
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55. Woah
Clinton can you do this for my company I mean I love that graph.... dont worry I get you 10 Monica as fringe benefits for the job.

A+++ for finacial management and he got fired.

When is that dumb new CEO going to get fired...
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:26 AM
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56. tomb-stoned...
do you get an icon by your username or something?


BTW "... as if he were some master debater (there is a joke in there, right?)."

Absolutely. Every forum has one or two masters who should get a friggin' gold medal for their amazing abilities.

:puke:


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:33 AM
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57. Feel free to use my pix when smashing the empty skull of a winger
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:44 AM
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58. Too bad I didn't have these before I got banned.
But now I do.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 12:46 PM
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59. Those are terrific! Especially the zombie one. nt
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