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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:59 PM
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remember the dead men in the cargo containers in Afganistan?

"Did U.S. Forces Allow a Massacre of 3,000 Taliban Prisoners to Occur?" BuzzFlash asks Jamie Doran, Producer-Director of "Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death"

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/09/23_doran.html

This riveting documentary charges that American forces were present at and permitted the massacre of approximately 3,000 Taliban prisoners. Although it has been shown in Europe, "Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death" has received virtual little distribution or air time in the United States.

"Afghan Massacre" tells of how American Special Forces took control of the operation, re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried.

And it details how the Pentagon lied to the world in order to cover up its role in the greatest atrocity of the entire Afghan War. This is the documentary they did not want you to see.

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Interview:

Everyone, as you know from the film, forgets about the other seven and a half thousand prisoners. The world’s media is obsessed with John Walker Lindh. When he’s captured, they get their interviews or they get their clips, and then off they go, and everyone disappears. No one bothered asking what happened to the other seven and a half thousand Taliban. And this, of course, was the key to my story.
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Doran also said: One of my witnesses was told, "Get rid of them. Just get them out of here before satellite pictures can be taken."





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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:19 PM
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1. Not to be flip but whenever Chimp talks about "Mass Graves" I get cold
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:20 PM by KoKo01
chills wondering if it's the mass graves of folks we murdered.......Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Iraq......

It's quite frightening to have someone like Chimp telling the UN how Noble and Unselfish America is in aiding the whole world.....knowing all the time that he and his father.....are responsible for who knows what atrocities. I don't know how he wasn't booed out of the UN by some countries for his hypocracy in his speech before the UN today!
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:09 PM
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8. Question for you...
If Bush I and Chimp are guilty of "atrocities," do you think Clinton is, too?

For the record, I supported Gulf War I and the overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:13 PM
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11. Clinton was guilty of not supporting democracy in East Timor
at the very least. But that's another story.

To what lengths would you be willing to go to oust the Taliban?
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:17 PM
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13. I think the means we utilized were appropriate.
I do not have any substantive objections to the way the campaign against the Taliban was waged.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:44 PM
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15. I had no problem with getting rid of the Taliban, either
I did have a problem with cluster bombing one of the poorest cities on earth, but I wanted the people of Afganistan to be liberated. We should have finished the job we started there. The Taliban were trouble from the day they took over. Perhaps Clinton should have taken more steps to get rid of them, but he didn't send them foreign aid the way Bush did.
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:00 PM
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16. What foreign aid?
Link? I have heard about this...I'm pretty sure it's a myth.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:11 PM
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9. Atrocities
wondering if it's the mass graves of folks we murdered.......Gulf War I

Robert Jay Lifton claims that Timothy McVeigh's "job" during the first Gulf War was to shoot any individuals remaining alive before huge bulldozers shoveled them into mass graves. Lifton's point is that military service can warp your thinking, but his claim (taken from McVeigh's own statements) also verifies that indeed the U.S. is responsible for mass graves. Of course no one will ever autopsy those remains to find out exactly when they were killed. Could be ours, could be theirs... and the world hates us because we are free?
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:16 PM
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12. Oh well if Robert Jay Lifton says it, it must be true.
"shoot any individuals remaining alive before huge bulldozers shoveled them into mass graves."

I'm sorry, there is simply no way this sort of thing is condoned by our military leadership.

And I've read two books about McVeigh, including the one that was done by those two Buffalo reporters who were granted exclusive access to him shortly before his death, and they didn't mention anything like this. Pure fantasy propagated by anti-military types.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:39 PM
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2. If you have the opportunity, don't hesitate to see the documentary
it's just under an hour long, but very hard hitting. You will not be disappointed. Great investigative work by Jamie Doran, a true journalist who risked his life to make this film.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:43 PM
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3. Saw it on world link tv, it's very disturbing to say the least...
Also the fact that 2 or 3 eye witnesses to the massacre have been murdered makes it all the more disturbing.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:54 PM
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4. If you are a brown skinned foreign speaking person
you do not matter to Bush & Co.:(
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:12 PM
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10. Seriously, this kind of thinking is unproductive.
I opposed the war for any number of reasons, but can we please be adults and dispense with the notion that Bush was so sanguine about invading Iraq because of the Arabs' skin color. I'm just so tired of this meme about how Americans are less hesitant to drop bombs on brown people than others. Hello, we killed a hell of a lot of civilians in the Balkans and they were white. Is Clinton a war criminal because of that? Was his administration racist? Of course not.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:57 PM
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5. Two ways to see this excellent, disturbing film
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 02:10 PM by IkeWarnedUs
Available on streaming media, either Windows Media Player 9 or RealOne Player:

http://www.acftv.com/streaming/wmedia.asp?stream_id=4

(on edit, I appologize, this is just a 5 minute trailer)


Or you can buy the video:

http://www.acftv.com/products.asp?catid=5
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:01 PM
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6. Damn. This is new to me. I saw the 5 min. preview linked to
on Buzz flash. Is the entire documentary available on the net?

Makes me ill.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:05 PM
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7. I saw this on our local public access station (WYOU, Madison)
It's very incriminating. I doubt it would ever show on US network or cable TV (other than public access).

Many people died to bring us that information. It's our responsibility to make sure it gets out, and their sacrifices weren't for nothing.
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