your PETA contributions at work (graphic photo)

[NoKillShelterGuy]

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/ for the latest...

[Balbus]

1. Any kind of story behind this picture?

I can't read his hat but it doesn't look like it says anything about PETA... :shrug:

[NoKillShelterGuy]

4. It's a police officer

fishing animal bodies out of the dumpster where they were discarded by the two PETA "activists" who are facing all of those felony animal cruelty charges.

[Caoimhe]

6. so...

There are bad apples in every bunch. Are you trying to make a wider political point against PETA?

[NoKillShelterGuy]

9. Ingrid seems to be defending them

and the only two parts I can see that she is upset with is the fact that they were disposed of in a dumpster, and that the PETA employees got caught.

[deutsey]

5. I heard something about a couple PETA activists dumping

dogs into a dumpster. They had promised to find homes for the animals.

I'm not a PETA supporter, but I hardly think this kind of thing is policy for them.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

12. The euthanasia part is policy

the getting caught and charged is not.

[deutsey]

17. I have no idea whether what you're saying is true or not

Personally, I don't support PETA. I believe in treating animals and people ethically, but I find PETA to be too extreme.

So you apparently know more about what their policies are concerning euthanasia than I do.

Do you have a link to a reliable source for this?

[NoKillShelterGuy]

20. Look on the PETA website...

at http://www.peta.org Go to their search function and type "feral". The first link will contain this quote:

"Because of the huge number of feral cats and the severe shortage of good homes, the difficulty of socialization, and the dangers lurking where most feral cats live, it may be necessary and the most compassionate choice to euthanize feral cats. You can ask your veterinarian to do this or, if your local shelter uses an injection of sodium pentobarbital, take the cats there. Please do not allow the prospect of euthanasia to deter you from trapping cats. If you leave them where they are, they will almost certainly die a painful death. A painless injection is far kinder than any fate that feral cats will meet if left to survive on their own."

They believe that it is better to kill them outright than to let them live their lives, even if they have been neutered.

[deutsey]

40. Eh?

:shrug:

I don't read this quote the way you do, apparently. I have no problem with what this says. Feral cats are a huge problem in some areas. It may, indeed, be necessary in some instances to put them down, as the quote you cite says.

I had to help our vet put our pet dog down a few years ago. It was very fast and humane and put him out of his suffering. I saw nothing wrong with the process itself.

But, anyway, I don't have horse (or a cat or a dog) in this race, so I'm not going to argue the point further.

Thanks for the info.

[bettyellen]

2. hmmmm....

:popcorn:

[indy_azcat]

18. scoot over.

:popcorn:

[Caoimhe]

3. What is it?

I can't tell from the photo what that even is??

[NoKillShelterGuy]

7. It's a recently killed dog in a plastic bag

be glad they didn't show the 7 puppies they found in the dumpster.

[Caoimhe]

10. I was recently walking in the woods

and came upon a bunch of plastic garbage bags.. with dead dogs in them. People can be real pigs.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

11. I agree.

was it a PETA dump site?

[indy_azcat]

8. PETA duo charged with 62 felonies

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/articles/2005/06/18/news/news1.txt

AHOSKIE - In a story that first broke Thursday on the R-C News-Herald's website, there are more questions than answers of why a pair of animal rights activists would allegedly take part in something they adamantly oppose - unethical treatment of animals.

A month-long investigation into animal cruelty resulted in the arrests of a pair of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) workers.

On Wednesday, the Ahoskie Police charged Andrew Benjamin Cook, 24, of 504 Tree Top Street, Virginia Beach, Va. and Adria Joy Hinkle, 27, of 1602 Claremont Ave., Norfolk, Va. with 31 felony counts each of animal cruelty and eight misdemeanor counts each of illegal disposal of dead animals.

[China_cat]

27. This is not the first time they've been caught.

It's not the first time they've admitted to doing this. It IS the first time they're being held accountable for their hypocrisy.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

PETA's Dirty Secret

Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.

PETA kills animals. By the thousands.

From July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.


Read the rest at the link.

[livinginphotographs]

29. You do realize what that link is, right?

Why don't you quote worldnetdaily while you're at it.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

31. Ingrid and PETA

don't deny that they euthanize most of the animals that they take in.

[livinginphotographs]

35. I knew many people who worked for PETA.

None of them euthanized any animals who weren't sick or feral (and for the record, I do disagree with their policy of euthanizing animals simply for being homeless).

And the Center for Consumer Freedom is not an organization I consider reputable.

[pie]

13. This is Inflammatory Bullshit

Just because two morticians are caught
porking the dead does not mean all morticians
pork the dead.

PETA strives to maintain the highest standards.
Their aim is true. The great majority of PETA associates are
among the most caring in the rescue community.
I should know.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

14. Have you read Ingrid's response?

All she said she would be shocked by is the part about them being put in the dumpster.

BTW, Ingrid has very nice things to say about the woman who worked for her for several years before she was arrested on 31 counts of felony animal cruelty.

[DFWdem]

15. That logic sounds familiar

Isn't that the same excuse the Bush administration used to explain the "few bad apples" at Abu Ghraib?

[Skip Intro]

16. Oh brother

:eyes:

[friesianrider]

19. Horrible...but....

I do support MOST of what PETA does - but definitely not all. I think this is definitely a case of "a few bad apples" in the group, and I'll continue to support PETA (although not as much as local no-kill shelters in my area, along with the SPCA).

[NoKillShelterGuy]

22. Have you read Ingrid's statement on this matter?

The only parts she seems to have a problem with is the fact that they were thrown in a dumpster, and the fact that her employees were caught literally red-handed.

[Beaverhausen]

24. the fact is some animals have to be euthanized

There are some that are unadoptable and there are simply too many strays and "unwanted" animals. Sometimes humanely euthanizing them is the only solution.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

26. OK, so explain the "highly adoptable" dead puppies and kittens

that they did not even try to place. The animals were not taken to a PETA vet to be triaged, they were indiscriminately slaughtered.

[friesianrider]

44. The real "solution" is every person NEUTERING their pets...

Period. If you don't dedicate half your life to showing and researching the breed of dog/cat you own, I'm sorry but you are unethically breeding. THAT is the real problem that leads to euthanasia.

[friesianrider]

42. No, I haven't...

But my statement still stands. I'd like to thoroughly read her statement before passing any sort of judgment.

[Skip Intro]

21. So we are to assume that PETA has roving groups

of pet KILLERS throughout the country, loading vans with live animals, then killing and dumping them?

Either that or a couple of twisted fucks (who should be in jail) happened to work for PETA.

Which is more plausible?

Lamest attempt I've seen in a while to attack PETA.

Try again.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

23. See this:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/articles/2005/06/18/news/news4.txt

"Ms. Hinkle is a deeply kind person who is devoted to animal care and protection"

""I cannot begin to imagine Ms. Hinkle ever being cruel to any animal and I know for a fact that cruelty to animals tears her apart. She has only ever tried to help animals in North Carolina and is deeply upset by this incident," Newkirk noted."

Ingrid seems to not think that this was the action of "a couple of twisted fucks". She is defending them in the media. PETA also arranged legal counsel for them, and somebody put up $70,000 bond for the pair.

[Beaverhausen]

25. what about this part of the article?

Newkirk said that while PETA has been able to find good homes for dogs and cats picked-up from North Carolina animal shelters, those animals often have conditions like Parvo virus or contagious mange and are not generally socialized or attractive to people, most of whom are looking for small, cute, housebroken puppies without medical problems.

"I cannot comment on Ms. Hinkle's legal situation, but I believe that it will become clear that Ms. Hinkle has only spared animals suffering, not caused it," Newkirk said. "It is not PETA policy to place animals in a dumpster and if that happened we are appalled. For that reason, we have suspended Ms. Hinkle from her duties while we conduct our own investigation and hear from the authorities in N.C. We have faith that the truth will come out and that this case will be resolved without harm to two good people."

[NoKillShelterGuy]

28. Well, if it was only old or vicious dogs

she would have a point. The fact is that at least seven young puppies and two young kittens were slaughtered too. The vet that turned the mother cat and kittens over to the PETA people stated that they were "highly adoptable". Neither of the PETA employees are vets, but they killed them anyway.

Hinkle was suspended not for killing the adoptable puppies and kittens, but because she got caught throwing their bodies into a dumpster.

[Beaverhausen]

43. Do you know if those puppies or kittens had any health issues?

You can't think PETA goes around indiscriminantly killing animals.

Seriously- do you?

[Skip Intro]

39. you know

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"I cannot comment on Ms. Hinkle's legal situation, but I believe that it will become clear that Ms. Hinkle has only spared animals suffering, not caused it," Newkirk said. "It is not PETA policy to place animals in a dumpster and if that happened we are appalled. For that reason, we have suspended Ms. Hinkle from her duties while we conduct our own investigation and hear from the authorities in N.C. We have faith that the truth will come out and that this case will be resolved without harm to two good people."
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If Ms. Hinkle was involved in killing and dumping those dogs, she should be in jail, whether she was "just a ride along" or not. Unless, there are some facts that are yet to come about this that would make the situation something other than what it appears.


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At a Friday afternoon press conference in Norfolk, PETA addressed its presence in North Carolina and discussed why it risks "public relations hell" to provide not only free spay and neuter services to combat the overpopulation crisis of unwanted dogs and cats, but free euthanasia services for impoverished counties and citizens.

"There is a fate worse than death, which our staff sees on a daily basis," Newkirk concluded. "We will share (at the press conference) our never-before-seen photographs and documents publicly to show that for some animals in North Carolina, there is no kinder option than euthanasia."
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I'm surprised she brought up the euthanisia issue here. I do know that euthanasia is sometimes better than continuing to live in agony (many loving pet owners face this fact every day). fyi - I do not support the "feral cats better off euthanised" position of PETA. But I do support much of what PETA does, raising awareness of the plight of animals, too often at the hands of man.

Is your only problem with PETA its stance on euthanasia?

[livinginphotographs]

30. Dude, your profile is still disabled.

Do you need some help setting it up? I would be more than happy to help...

[NoKillShelterGuy]

33. So? What is your point?

eom

[livinginphotographs]

36. I think you know.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

38. No, I do not know.

what, exactly, are you saying?

[livinginphotographs]

32. Your diet at work.

http://www.meatyourmeat.com

See, I can post flamebait too.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

34. Is threadjacking all you have?

That is kind of sad.

[livinginphotographs]

37. I replied and replied in the other thread.

I was ignored so the trolls could go elsewhere to keep posting unsubstantiated bullshit.

And someone posting 100% grade-A flamebait whining about threadjacking? Oh, that's hilarious.

[NoKillShelterGuy]

41. Which parts of this story are "unsubstantiated"?

the 62 felonies and 16 misdemeanors? Are you saying the photo is faked? Are Ingrid's comments forged?

Please, do tell, what part of this is "unsubstantiated".

[pinto]

45. Locking.

This seems to be posted as flamebait and not as a topic for discussion. Previous long thread was locked this AM.