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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:59 PM
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OMG...... Bush may "BYPASS" the Senate to get Bolton in the UN
Rice: Bush May Bypass Senate on Bolton By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jun 20,10:35 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is keeping open the possibility that President Bush will bypass the Senate to get John R. Bolton installed as U.N. ambassador temporarily if Democrats persist in holding up a confirmation vote.


White House press secretary Scott McClellan did not rule out that Bush would consider a recess appointment if the Senate does not approve Bolton's nomination. He blamed the Democrats for "obstructing progress" by stalling a vote on Bolton.

"We continue to urge the Senate to let him have an up or down vote on the floor," McClellan said Monday. "It's unfortunate that the democratic leadership continues to block his nomination, particularly when he has majority support. It is critical that we get him in place."

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050620/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/un_ambassador_6

What planet are we on...?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:04 PM
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1. LOL, the White House admits
they can't get Bolton appointed any other way. Got to admire your power and popularity there, blivet**. Quack!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:04 PM
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2. What's unfortunate is the lack of cooperation from the WH in getting
the documents requested and making them available to the senators. What are they hiding?

peace.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:06 PM
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3. funny....Condliar Rice doesn't mention any documents.....hmmmmm
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:07 PM
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5.  I like to call her Condiliesalot Rice
Has a nice ring to it!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:17 PM
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11. Bolton's the one who fixed the Iraq intel, and they're hiding the proof
They want him and only him because he's one of the original neo-cons: Specifically, the fifth one to sign the 1997 letter to Clinton asking to invade Iraq. Try it at www.newamericancentury.org. Pee your pants.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:18 PM
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13. BINGO
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:54 PM
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20. Maybe it has something to do with him getting diplomatic immunity?
From what i've heard tons of diplomats are spies becasue they have that immunity.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:18 PM
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14. My guess: Bolton involved with outing Plame...
The Democrats want to see who Bolton collected information on. I'm thinking that one of the victims of Bolton's gatherings is Valarie Plame. Hence, no documents.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:47 AM
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37. I agree
The more you look over the evidence the more it seems to suggest that Bolton had access to the Plame case.

Wilson states: to the CIA was exactly the same as what President Bush said in his 2003 State of the Union address: there was evidence that Iraq had tried to buy uranium in Africa.

Bush looks like an asshole using forged documents in his State of the Union address.

Waxman alleges Bolton played a part in promoting the Niger-Uranium story in State Department reports, despite rejection of that evidence by CIA and State Department intelligence analysts.

Waxman then argues that not only did Bolton and his people then try and conceal Bolton's role in pushing the Niger-Uranium agenda by marking the material "sensitive but unclassified" and blocking it in case of a Freedom of Information Act request, the State Department actually LIED TO CONGRESS about John Bolton's role.


http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/Documents/20050301112122-90349.pdf


One can conclude that in his typical (shaggy dog look alike) rage he outed Wilson's wife in retaliation

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:06 PM
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4. Great: they have admitted defeat on the Bolton nomination.
Recess appointments are an embarassment and a sign of weakness. But more importantly, what crap is in the Bolton documents that is so devastating that they cannot release them?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:10 PM
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7. In truth? Probably not a lot.
But it's a slippery slope argument. They release these documents, why not others? Well, it's because THOSE documents are dirty. See where I'm going with this?

Instead, they stonewall everything. There is something to be said for consistency.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:04 AM
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39. No I think Bolton was a key player
In the fraud and deception campaign before we went to war. He appears to have been the enforcer, and that is what these documents will show. He kept the minions in line by making examples out of a few people. But indeed that is just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows where a full investigation into what the Cabal has been up to since 2000 (and earlier) would lead?

The Bolton nomination was a blunder. It opened the door to an investigation that would start the process of uncovering the truth. We now know at least one place to start looking for the documents that will start sending key players to jail.

I think they drank their own koolaide after they put Bush across the finish line in 2004. They did not expect any resistence from what they perceived to be a weak and demoralized and leadership-compromised Democratic Party.

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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:07 PM
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6. Of course he will. With Bu$h it's "my way or the Hershey Highway".
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:40 PM
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30. Yup
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:11 PM
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8. These Filthy Bastards
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 03:13 PM by ThomWV
Don't these filthy bastards, and Bush in particular, understand that they degrade the honor of the United States of America in putting that man forward to the UN? To do it by trickery is a slap in the face to Americans and to the world. Isn't there a single god damned thing about this country, its people, or its institutions that hey respect? For Christ's sake, this is our public face to the world. How on earth can they present as our Representative any man or woman about whom there so much as a hint of a question about his or her integrity?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:13 PM
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9. subsitute "bastards" and put in RW Mafia $$$ and you have a
better fit.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:55 PM
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21. You sound like a Malloy fan!
one of his signature phrases : "filthy bastards!"
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:00 PM
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22. Nope, Never Listened
I have never listened to Mr. Malloy. Guess I should. I try to catch Thom Hartmann a couple of times a week if I get the chance and of course I listen on line later.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:09 PM
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24. Thom Hartmann is one of my favorites!
But, if you want in-your-face anti-Bushler rhetoric, I recommend Malloy. :D



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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:26 AM
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35. Well.
I love TH too...he's so calm and has such a command of history that is very impressive.

MM is more rage-driven. Lots of invective. Turns a lot of people off. But not me. I think our party needs some rage. Sad but in our country confrontation is the way to win.

You could check him out, download one of his shows at http://www.airamericaplace.com
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:14 PM
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10. Recess appt would put him in until January 2007...
plenty of time to force resolutions on Iran so we can attack
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:18 PM
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12. Conyers and Boxer have to raise holy hell if they do.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:25 PM
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15. if a Dem Admin did this "the press would go apeshit"
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:24 PM
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27. Can you imagine the screaming and wretching?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:30 PM
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16. Yes just read that and made a dup post will delete.
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:34 PM
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17. Their love of democracy just shines, doesn't it?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:43 PM
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18. it's soooo hypocritical
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:52 PM
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19. "It is critical that we get him in place".
In place for what? Airstrikes?

They need Bolton in place so they can start formal hostilities with Iran and end the covert hostilities currently taking place.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7896BBD4-28AB-48BA-A949-2096A02F864D.htm
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:03 PM
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23. If he pulls this bullshit move
Then he should never get another confirmation, I don't care if he's nominating someone to pick up dogshit, you pull this shit, that's it. Fuck you you ugly son of a bitch.
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Patty Diana Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:26 PM
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25. who needs advice and consent when ya got bush and he talks to god
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:30 PM
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26. Play the new repuke drinking game!
Warning: Do not play before driving or o-perating heavy machinery.

The rules are simple: Every time a repuke says "up or down vote", you take a drink.

After Snuffleupagus or whatever show is over, you may vomit as necessary. :puke:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:30 PM
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28. Gee- big surpirse! He's going to use a recess appointment
That's how he dissed the Dems before with Pryor (and like a bunch of battered women- when the time came to be assertive, they just gave in and said- well, they've changed- they'll never abuse me- or threaten my filibuster again).

How much longer must we wait before they learn?

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:45 PM
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31. Exactly, just like
all the other goons he put where he wanted them..They should all be bounced in the slammer NOW.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:35 PM
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29. When Congress becomes irrelevant, the voice of the people,
what's left of it, is gone. We are no longer free. I can hear the jackboots coming in the distance.


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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:53 PM
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32. The Democrats are obstructing?
Where the fuck are the papers they have asked the White House to give them so they have ALL FACTS about this nomination before they vore?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:00 PM
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33. Good
When Bolton screws up and becomes a total embarrassment Bush won't be able to blame anybody else. And as far as a Bolton agenda, they're ready for him at the UN. The knives are out for him, but it will be done so subtlety he won't even see it coming. My prediction is that by the end of the year Bush will be sorry he ever put him up to the job.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:12 PM
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34. I know I'm the only one...I don't think so
There is too much work to do at the UN and without Senate support it would be embarrassing and difficult. We'll see....my crystal ball says NO
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:33 AM
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36. And six weeks ago, Bolton was a shoe-in
We're beating the Bush administration like a government mule on this one, and they don't like it a bit. The media keep bringing up the "recess appointment" nonsense, but how would the administration justify a recess appointment for a post they deem so critical? If the UN ambassador is going to have any credibility at all, that person MUST be confirmed by the Senate.

If Bolton goes to the UN on an interim basis, he will not be able to do anything, and the naked contempt the Bush administration has for the UN will be unmistakable, even for the flaks and the mouthpieces of the Echo Chamber. If the Bush administration is serious about "reform" in the UN (whatever that means), they have to have a true ambassador there, not a partisan hack who can't get Senate confirmation.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:53 AM
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38. Oh, please don't tell me you're SHOCKED about this-
Bush has been licking his chops waiting for this, so he can show how "tough" and "manly" and "strong" he is.
I don't know enough about congressional procedure but if there is ANY way to prevent a recess appointment our side had better fucking step up.
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