I suspect Ed Schutz undercover GOP/NSA - I don't like him. He waves the

[dArKeR]

banner of pro-union and that's about all he has except sometimes calling Lush, "Druggie Limbaugh."

I heard him today, Monday, talking about "it's all Iraq". He talked as supporting the GOP (Whore/Liar) Bankruptcy Bill and the (Whore/Liar) Tort Bill.

I'm getting this BullShit feeling about him. As you might know I have this sixth sense. At first I liked him because of his voice. I thought it's really good to have someone who sounds like Lush. I honestly started as really liking him. Maybe because it was Air America whom I thought he was with? I don't see him listed on AA but he comes on at noon on the AA Portland station, 620am.

You have to admit. Franken and Rhodes both have sort-of nasal tone voices. I'm not sure what it's called. To me Shultz has the best voice but he's a traitor to his country.

I've completely changed my opinion. I don't trust him. I can feel it in my bones.

He's turned to the Dark Side of the Force!!!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. I'm not terribly fond of his "states' rights " defense of the civil war

either...right there with you..NOT a fan.

[SoCalDem]

2. He STARTED on the dark side

doesn't impress me much

[Dr Fate]

3. I like his show. I listen every day & never get that vibe.

Oh well- perception is everything.

As far as your 6th sense- do you see dead people?

[dArKeR]

14. LOL! That's one thing I never see! But I'm pretty good at picking

stocks!

[rucky]

4. Best voice? He always sounds drunk to me.

maybe that's when his GOP tendencies come through.

He's also passive-agressive as hell, and you should've heard him bag on dean.

At the very least, he's a DLC whore. then again, so's franken.

[dArKeR]

17. I had to say something good about him. I'd like to see facts about

Franken. I like him. But he's obviously connected somehow because right day one he's had "important guests".

[BlueEyedSon]

5. Bloviating DINO shill

[KoKo]

38. But don't we need the voices of all of them? Most of our elected Dems

are "Bloviating Dino Shill." But until we can throw them all out what can we do about it?

Schultz does have the WHOLE SPECTRUM of Dems on his show. Look up Congresswoman Louise Slaughter and see how she is fighting for the Progressive Dems...do a Google. Schultz has "showcased her" on his show many, many, many times over the Liberman's, and Bidens.

He's an "everyperson's, everyperson" and that's what he does best. Do I agree with everything he says...NO...but I see that his show does have a line up that includes the "everpersons" viewpoint. When that changes I will come here and diss him. Up to now...I just don't see it. :shrug:

[knowbody0]

6. he has debate skills like hannity's

he should STFU, and listen to his callers. instead he bashes them and screams "quote your source". a wind bag. i stayed tuned on my drive through our little red necked village today. everyone knows our "leaders" paid bounty for terrorist prisoners, no questions or proof necessary. the guy from Australia (David Hicks) for one, who has been imprisoned for three years without charges.

[kansasblue]

7. oh come on.

Maybe he's not pure. He's a mid western Dem like Nelson of Nebraska. But he's hitting the topics. He had a guy on from Wisconsin from a Dem group that voted for Impeachment. And he said that maybe there's something to that 'impeachment' thing. He's hitting Dem topics and he's middle of the road. It works.

[Dr Fate]

9. Ed the "traitor" just highlighted some Babs Boxer quotes...

I'm sure it was just to make us THINK he is a DEM!!!

I'll take allies where I can get them- I neve once got the idea Ed was a mole.

[Drewskie]

8. well...

Well what he is talking about right now is'nt exactly possitive for Bush: that the 1700 reported american casualties is far less than the actual number...and that pictures of coffins have'nt been allowed since "actual" number could then be estimated through counting. Guatanamo Bay, the torture, people there who should'nt be there... others who get out and return to the battlefield... not good for Bush either. Not sure what you want Schultz to say.

[Dr Fate]

13. Ed bashes Bush on Iraq DAILY. Somthing you rarely hear on TV.

We finally get a plain-talking, red-state radio voice saying it and every one turns against the guy.

Talk about looking a gift-horse in the mouth...

[babsbunny]

10. I try to listen to "Big Ed"

everyday. Today, I heard him yelling at one of us, a guy who called in about war Lords paying for prisoners, comman knowledge, doesn't he have anyone checking out the blogs daily? He is not going to last!

[MissWaverly]

11. I don't trust him either

He just shouts down anyone who mentions impeachment, I don't expect
a radio show host to be perfect, but I do think the purpose of "talk" radio is to give people a chance to discuss things, shout outs are what
the right is all about.

[Dr Fate]

16. He mostly just quotes John Conyers concerning impeachment.

Ed says we probably cant impeach at this point due to "the numbers"- but has never suggested the issue should not be pounded home.

Today he suggested we pay the Run-away bride to talk about the DSM!!!

Unlike the TV media or most DEM leaders, ED discusses the DSM daily.

Think of all the red-staters who would not know about the DSM if not for Ed.

[MissWaverly]

21. I understand what you are saying but

to keep saying impeachment "ain't going to happen" is irresponsible, it NEEDS to be discussed and the time is NOW. We can't just wait in the lobby while our government runs amok, if we wait until 2006 and it's "our turn", we may be having a nuclear winter by then.

[Dr Fate]

37. And yet he discusses the DSM daily.

He has interviewed Conyers even, and accused the media of hiding this story.

Ed is not for sweeping this under the rug as far as I can tell.

[MissWaverly]

40. I understand but these may be just crumbs while holding the line

if the end result is that people passively accept the current situation,
it will just be a wait and see until 06, I have heard him repeatedly say
that there's nothing to be done until 06. I think that the current situation is grave enough that we don't have the luxury of waiting. I don't care if this is RW spin or DLC sure win strategy, I think we are at a time in our country where we are on the brink of nuclear warfare & it's time to start thinking globally not what the best strategy is to pick up key seats in 06.

[Dr Fate]

41. But he allows the "I" word to be said over & over. How about CNN, NBC etc?

And he has had in depth, spin free coverage of the memos themselves.

See the difference?

Not every host has to be a Malloy or a Rhodes to be appealing & informative.

So Ed wants DEMs to win in 2006, huh? I could think of worse criticisms.

I dont think Ed is a GOP mole at all.

[MissWaverly]

48. Look here's what I am trying to say

Since November 04, many people want 06 to be the issue not NOW, which in ordinary times would be a good idea, however, at this time with this president, we are in a very dangerous situation, with a chance of nuclear involvement possible. We need people to be involved not shouted at, and told to wait to 06 when everything will happen, the time to be involved is NOW, we must change the frame, GWB must be on the defensive not the offensive, I do not want 9-11, THE SEQUEL, or the problem of the blue states resolved by a nuclear winter. We need people who will encourage people to THINK not shout at them.

[Dr Fate]

51. I agree with most of that. I still dont see Ed as the problem...

...especially with all the other REAL Pro-Bush media out there.

I'd rather folks be listening to Ed than any of the Repubs, Networks or even NPR.

I listen to Ed almost daily- I hardly ever hear him shouting at DEM callers and he generally hears out everyone & gives them time to speak...

[MissWaverly]

52. I hope so, if we can everyone focused that's a plus

I really believe that this is the most important time in our entire history, we now have nuclear weapons and it would be totally tragic if
we would start a nuclear World War III over oil and 2 stolen elections.

[dArKeR]

19. Franken is near perfect. Randi has her facts but I think she jumps on

her guests too often.

[MissWaverly]

28. I like the "Young Turks"

they have knowledgeable "rants" and they talk about the tremendous
pork that is in the budget. And I really like Brad Friedman, and I like the "Brad Blog" I think Brad has a real sense of humor, I wish he was on every day!

[dArKeR]

32. I don't know any of those guys. AA?

I'm really busy lately. All I can do to put this time in to save America on the DU.

[MissWaverly]

33. See below

http://bradblog.com/BradShow

BRAD SHOW OPEN THREAD for June 18th
Blog Along With Us
We're Being The Media -- Because Somebody Has To!!

If you have missed one of Brad's shows, WHAT were you THINKING, you can listen to it in 1 hour blocks by accessing the mp3 files while you
blog away here, it sounds like its being done in the trunk of his car, but he has a great sense of humor and great guests, including Bob Fitrakis.

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/YoungTurks.html

Young Turk (n), 1. A young progressive or insurgent member of an institution, movement, or political party.
2. A young person who rebels against authority or societal expectations. (American Heritage Dictionary)

The Young Turks, the first nationwide liberal talk show, is a funny, smart, irreverent and entertaining look at politics, sex, news, pop culture, current affairs and personal stories. (Some times these guys go over the top with raunchy conversation and I turn them off, but you can access their stuff at the link above.)

[zann725]

56. I don't trust him either. I try and listen, but...on a gut level...

I truly feel he's NOT one of us...no matter how he pretends to be so.

[MissWaverly]

66. it's not that he doesn't say the right code words

It's the attitude he has, I am here with the truth, and the rest of you are in my space, too often he will discard what someone says when he has
no facts to back up his position, a simple, send me an e-mail and I'll look into that would work better than jumping on the caller.

[Pharaoh]

12. yes I'm pushing to get him off

the 2 oclock spot in madison and get randi rhodes back in that time slot.........there is somethin not right with ed.......

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

15. ed's show was launched by the DLC

just look over his founders' list at democracy radio. they're all DINO guys.

that's why he's so hard on dean and acting like we all have to fall inline now regarding hillary as the nominee.

the guy is barely capable of discussing the issues and is a sham for the corporate wing of the party

[dArKeR]

20. That's the other thing I forgot. He's an all American just because he

fishes and does some other sports. Like he's trying to use sports to draw those "type" of people to listen to him/pay his bills.

[lonestarnot]

18. Will not defend him. Haven't figured him out. He says shit

that I don't like also, but doesn't everybody. He's too much of a slippery note for my pleasure.

[dArKeR]

22. I've been busy lately but used to listen to Franken and Rhodes a lot.

Never heard anything I didn't like from them.

I really trust Franken.

[lonestarnot]

23. Franken and Rhodes are trustworthy w/o a doubt!

[dArKeR]

25. I thought I was going out on a limb here. Even though I honestly don't

like this guy and I don't trust him at all. It seems he's blowing which ever way the money tree is bending.

I had no idea so many other people felt the same.

We should try to get him off and replaced by Rhodes!

[lonestarnot]

55. I think he would be better placed in a local broadcast ie Wyoming. LOL

[salinen]

24. He appeals to that

huntin', chewin', pick-up drivin' dem. Leave him be. We need those guys.

[dArKeR]

27. But we need to be a party of facts and honesty Not back room assassination

s and lies. That's why I like Franken and Rhodes. They back it up with facts.

I live in a terribly Redneck Christian Repuke area of OR. But there are many many many closet Liberals. Of the one's I've met we talked just a few seconds on Dean. I put out, "I'll support Dean in anything he says as long as he backs it up with some statistical facts." Everyone agreed. So why didn't Dean back it up? Every moral person in America knows it's true.

[KittyWampus]

29. Thank You. If Opening Poster Doesn't Like Ed Then DON'T LISTEN

these bash Ed the traitor threads are tiresome.

[dArKeR]

31. I've never seen a Bash Ed before. I would have posted there if I had.

Rule Numbe One on the DU;

Thou shalt not lie.

I'm really happy everyone is deciding this on their own! That's the best thing we could ever hope for!

[Pirate Smile]

26. He ended today's show by saying "yes, I do think he should be impeached".

I didn't hear the entire show and he has ticked me off before but we do need to reach people who aren't idealogical liberals. If he can help with that, good.

[dArKeR]

30. Yes, maybe you're right!

[LittleClarkie]

46. I heard it too

It was quick, right at the end.

He's more successful than AAR right now. I say give him a chance.

[Horse with no Name]

34. Personally I think he is just a media creation

I have known many air personalities throughout the years who were "transformed" into something they weren't because it sold advertising and that is ALL it is about.
My guess is that he is still a conservative but one who was willing to talk about the other side for a buck.
He was chosen SPECIFICALLY because of his Rush-like style--yet the conservatives do NOT need another Rush, so he decided to shill for the other side.
I don't think he is believable, however, he does hit some of our issues on our side every now and again, so it isn't all bad I suppose.

[dweller]

35. as post #26 said

he ended the show with 'yes i do think he should be impeached'. He was in doubt about Pakistanis being paid for Gitmo prisoners, he rec'd an email that stated facts, read it and said what sounded like he was ready to accept the facts afterall.

My take, i listen to Big Ed daily. I don't always agree with him, but then do again agree alot also. But i can think of many folk who would find it hard to accept alot of what is happening as we see it here, and hearing Big Ed doubting, and then sloooowly coming around may make it easier for them to question their own beliefs about what is going on. And eventually coming to face the facts and speaking up ... and we DO need those folks. They wouldn't listen to me, but they will to Big Ed.

Easiest thing to do tho, is to not listen to him if you don't like what he says. He still has a great big middle of 'Merka audience.

dp

edit to add: he also was skeptical about the # of dead soldiers before today, and he had a call from a former intelligence member of the services (i've forgotten which one) that has returned from Iraq. He pointed out the # of KIA does NOT include all of the soldiers wounded and sent to German/US hospitals that died later, and that the #'s were far higher. Ed treated him with great respect, and thanked him for supplying the info. The caller pointed out the soldiers there were unaware of how or what we are hearing here, and how disillusioned they are being there.

[KoKo]

36. I totally disagree. Schultz is a great asset to Democrats because he

doesn't come across as FLYING HIGH THE LIBERAL FLAG...like Randi, Franken and others do.

The audience he will capture is the audience we will need. So, I think he's an asset in the Democratic Stable of the NEW MEDIA.

I'm glad that "Clear Channel" picked him up. They could see he was the Rush Antidote and they knew that Rush's number were going to go down given that there's a NEW AWARENESS of BUSH LIES...in the US...So they went with the Money Schultz would bring in. Good for us...and good for Clear Channel. As the tide turns the Corporate Whores "follow where the audience and the big $$$$$$$$'s are.

Capitalism at it's best. Isn't it? :shrug: And "Ownership Society" makes it even better. :evilgrin:

[Dr Fate]

42. As a DEM who campaigned in Georgia, I agree. Ed is a great voice...

We need a country talking, golfing, NASCAR watching, hunting & fishing guy like Ed.

He is pro Union and Liberal on all the FP & economic issues- what do DUers want from this guy?-

Perhaps if he spoke with a high-class lisp and talked about academia & "feelings"- would that make him more aceptable???

[BringEmOn]

39. I listened once, when he first started...

He was playing sound clips of black politicians and yucking in up like a redneck hick. I thought I had tuned into one of the local KKK stations.

Anyway, I guess he's reaching the mushy middle, racist, 12 oz. aluminum pumping crowd.

[dArKeR]

45. Nice pic!

[Zuni]

43. I may not agree on a lot of things with him

but his show could well convert moderate GOPers and conservative leaning independents

[lady lib]

47. Exactly! This what I wrote in another thread.

For sure he's not a Randi Rhodes or a Mike Malloy. He spent years as a conservative radio host, had a conversion thanks to his 2nd wife, and is now (what I would consider) a moderate Dem. I might not agree with him on everything (I don't even come close) and I have no interest in football, golf, hunting, or fishing. But he gets great guests on a daily basis, and there are a lot of Independents and Republicans who are sitting on the fence and they need SOMEONE who speaks their language and knows where they're coming from - Ed is that someone.

[MadisonProgressive]

62. Someones got to do the real SHIT work - we should be thankful!

[LittleClarkie]

44. He's a newly minted Dem who still has a Repub thought process

That's my take. I like him. He's my one progressive voice in the Milwaukee area.

And he just said the "I" word today. How could that be bad, I ask you.

[AgadorSparticus]

49. another bash ed thread. sorry you don't like him. different strokes...

he's not my favorite (i love Randi and Malloy) but he's better than nothing which is the choice in many places. but i think he's great for bringing us diversity and that is always needed.

[Drewskie]

50. ...

Bernie Ward is my favorite radio guy, but he is on so late in San Fran I almost never get to hear him. In terms of Schultz, he is a meat head on certain issues while better on others. He is good at ripping Bush & Co which is the main thing. I don't listen to that much radio really, unless I'm in a vehicle... it's time consuming and distracting.

[Cha]

53. Maybe he was already

there? I don't trust him as far as I could throw the focker!

[Drewskie]

54. Oh...

I listen Malloy, the KGO San Fransisco guys occasionally, and Ed during the day occasionally and that's about it. I did'nt care for the broadcasts of Franken/Rhodes, and, know what? Have'nt listened to a milli-second of them in months... Rather than listen to a broadcaster you hate you might want to change the station...

[dArKeR]

58. What a strange set of listening tastes! Franken probably has the

most entertaining political show in history! Rhodes, though rough, is full of FACTS, current and past history, which she gives sources for. If someone didn't like Franken, I'd suggest they'd go to Master Yoda for counseling and they'd hopefully return to humanity from the Dark Side of the Force.

[podnoi]

57. Maybe not GOP, but enabler of GOP mindset

I used to listen to him when there was nothing else. He has changed. He takes us back now. I am convinced if we allow him and the DLC we just end up with Fascist lite. Can you really have Democracy without real change? Republican lite is what we had under Clinton. Personally I liked Clinton, but he showed how using the existing paradigm does not work. They just gain more control in a more subtle way.

[sadiesworld]

59. "He waves the banner of pro-union and that's about all he has..."

That's quite a lot, IMHO. OTOH, I've only heard him once (on c-span) and I did feel a few hairs bristle on the back of my neck...

If he is what he purports to be, i.e., a rough version of the economic populist--bully for him. If he is some deep plant set up to betray the left at a crucial point--uh oh.

:shrug:

Edit to add: His schtick (from what I am hearing) seems to upset the red-state-gun-totin'-God-fearin'-conservative-vs-the-blue-state-latte-lovin'-metrosexual-liberal stereotypes which are the stock-in-trade of the elites. Would TPTB allow such a thing? I love it, but I don't completely trust it. :tinfoilhat:

[LibDemAlways]

60. Ed's show is on AA in LA from 12 -3.

Before AA there were only a couple of NPR stations in LA along with listener-sponsored KPFK which broadcasts Democracy Now along with an ever-changing mishmash of new age-y stuff. We desperately needed a commercial, visible progressive presence on the radio. Now we've got one. Ed is far from perfect. He is abrasive and not terribly well-informed. But he is folksy and doesn't screen calls, which means he gets the opportunity to publically berate some pretty moronic wingnuts. With Ed you've got to look at the glass as half full and look at the bigger picture. He ain't much, but he's better than nothing.

[dArKeR]

63. Shouldn't be be saying the things he says on a FOX radio station in the

South? I don't trust him so why is he on Air America?

But I see your point of nothing else being aired in Redneck fascist/racist areas of the country.

[barbaraann]

61. He didn't know who Bob LaFolette was.

A few days ago a caller mentioned LaFolette and Ed didn't know who he was. (turn-of-the-century Republican populist from Wisconsin)

I just checked wikipedia and there isn't an entry for Bob LaFolette, there's hardly anything on the internet, and I didn't get any results when I did a search on amazon.com in the Books category. :-(

On the whole, I would have to say Ed is better than nothing but still a recovering rightie.

[dArKeR]

64. I listened to him say he didn't know who was Zell Miller when a caller

asked a question. I almost choked. (It was about 2 months ago and I'm 70% the caller asked about Zell Miller.)

[barbaraann]

65. Whoa, that's even worse.

However, he is VERY well informed about sports! :eyes: