"the RICH got RICHER & the POOR got RICHER" - Randi Rhodes

[bpilgrim]

during the clinton economy and she is bashing dem callers again... :eyes:

wtf is she smoking :shrug:



peace

[bicentennial_baby]

1. context?

[bpilgrim]

3. in ref: to the CLINTON ECONOMY

she loves the big dog i know but i wish she would get her facts straight.

peace

[bicentennial_baby]

5. Wow, what bs

Guess she doesn't know too many people who are actually poor...Ah, life in a bubble.

[bpilgrim]

9. the well to do always fall that BS

but i thought randi knew better :shrug:

peace

[UdoKier]

8. She worships Clinton too much.

Working-class and poor people made slight gains in earning power for about 2 years under Clinton, which was better than the 25-year trend of them losing earning power (those gains were immediately erased by Dumbya), but the gains were modest, and during that same period, household debt for most families soared. Unemployment was low, but it's supposedly low now, too....

A more progressive president with a little less vulnerability on "personal issues" could have undoubtedly achieved more for working people.

That being said, Clinton was an incredibly charismatic politician, and that counts for a lot in a party with a high percentage of nebbishes (sorry, but you KNOW it's true.)

[bpilgrim]

14. true

the only BIG 'accomplishments' of the Clinton era were for BIG BIZ.

peace

[BlueEyedSon]

2. The Clinton economy was a rising tide that lifted ALL boats.

[bpilgrim]

6. the GAP between the RICH & POOR grew under Clinton

and continues to this very day

peace

[redqueen]

7. The gap grew, but that does not mean the poor did not do better.

He could have done more, but he did raise the min. wage.

[bpilgrim]

12. show me the numbers that show the poor doing better over the past 30 years

it has simply got worse & continues to do so.

welcome to the third world America

Grotesque Inequality

Corporate Globalization and the Global Gap Between Rich and Poor

by Robert Weissman
Multinational Monitor magazine, July / August 2003

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Third_World/Grotesque_Inequality.html

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[redqueen]

18. Check the Census data...

Change in Mean Real Household Income, By Quintile

*sigh*

[bpilgrim]

19. nevermind

peace

[redqueen]

20. The table is shown on this site

http://www.paulkienitz.net/reagan-vs-clinton.html

[TahitiNut]

16. Employee Compensation was at a modern-day LOW during Clinton/Gore

The Millenium Economy saw a recovery ... then Chimperor Codpiece arrived.

[redqueen]

21. It's complicated enough without all the "as a percentage of"s

See the link above for a table showing the income change under Clinton's watch. Speaking strictly of earnings, the poor did improve their position.

[TahitiNut]

22. It's not complicated at all.

It shows the share of what's produced and the share of all income that employees (i.e. managers and workers on payrolls) received compensation for creating.

What it does is remove all questions of inflation/deflation and over/under employment from seeing the degree to which employees are compensated for the wealth they create.

It's not enough to merely look at the net change in eight years. The first term for Clinton/Gore was horrible compared to the second term.

So, what happened???

The increase in the minimum wage is one thing that happened!!

[redqueen]

24. Can you be more clear?

Are you saying the increase in the minimum wage was a good thing or a bad thing?

[Larkspur]

11. The income gap actually started growing during the Reagan Admin

and coincides with the waning of unions. The income gap was the narrowest in the 1950's.

[bpilgrim]

13. since the 70's BIG BIZZ has been getting MORE & MORE

and NOW it is so bad we are on the TIPPING POINT.

Clinton was the best republican prez of my lifetime.

peace

[TahitiNut]

15. No. The income gap was the narrowest in the 60's.

Clinton/Gore was poor for income equity ... while Bush I was HORRIBLE.

[TheDebbieDee]

10. I'm with you, BlueEyedSon......

The Clinton administration lifted MY boat really high!

I was hopeful for the future of myself and my two children.

Now, we have an administration that's so incompetent they can't even get us all flu shots! So heartless that they attempted to kick start the economy by starting a war.

[lonestarnot]

4. What are you smoking? peace.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Here's some good he did.

Clinton Policies

Tried to get Universal Health Care
National Health Care Costs rising at 10% per annum. Cut to 3%
Deficit Reduction Package
Crime Bill
100,000 cops on street—crime down down down
Welfare Reform-- Mend do not end. GOP helped bit time
80% increase in child welfare payments
Job Growth-Record 236,000 per month. (Reagan/Bush 167,000)
Largest percentage of Americans working in history
Largest Home Ownership in history
Record number of small business formations
Tax Cut for 15 million working families
Family and Medical Leave Act
Defense Reinvest and Conversion—Bush enjoying weapons created by Clinton
Direct loan programs for students
Guts to put promises in a book "Putting People First"-58 promises in book. Took action on 56 in first two years.
Second best record in history for getting legislation through Congress in first to years. LBJ number one.
Reinvented Government—cut payroll
Fewest number of civilians on federal payroll in 36 years
Attacked cop killing nasty rifle association.
Attacked the cancer inducing tobacco industry
Promoted a global effort to ban abusive forms of child labor
Loan 12.8 Billion to Mexico. Made 800 Million profit. Kept Mexico afloat.
Wash. Post kept list of campaign promises. 162. Took action on 96% in first two years.
Took on prejudice toward other Americans in military
Took on his own Southern Baptist Church
Hard smart work in Middle East and Bosnia-Kosovo
Honored with all of the following:
Dove of Peace Award
Rabin-Peres Peace Award
Gandhi Peace Award
Order of Good Hope Award
Nominated for Nobel Peace Award
Northern Ireland Peace Agreement
Lifeaholics of America Award for Quarter Century "Working for a Life Not Just A Living".
First President to visit Northern Ireland
Cleanup of Toxic sites. Record
Increasing weekly earnings
Shoo Shoo Saddam get away from Kuwait
Stopping Haitians from drowning enroute to freedom
First to visit South Africa
First to make a determined effort to help the African continent come together and grow together
Taxing top 1.2% of very wealthy to get Zoom Zoom Boom economy
Stopping Republicans in the House from raiding Medicare of 181 Billion
Stopping Republicans raid on Medicaid
Stopping Republicans raid on education
Stopping Republicans attack on environment
Largest increase in Education funding since GI Bill
Increased funding for Head Start
Nafta.. A success until the Peso went south
Submitting 8 budgets close to rate of inflation
Brady Bill
Gaat
Assault Weapons Ban
Telling Japan "You take our auto parts or we will apply tariffs on you
California Desert Protection
Forest Management Plan for Northwest
Restoration of Florida Everglades
Preservation of land in Utah
Major increase in funding for homeless
Motor Voter Act
Lobbying Reform Effort. Handshake with Newt who reneged
Pressure to get Campaign Finance Reform.
National Export Strategy. Unbelievable success.
Over 250 Trade pacts
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Pact
Summit of Americas
Super 301
Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty.
Bottom Up Review of Military
Agreement with Cuba to stop flow of immigrants to USA.
Ameri-Corps
Reduced Nuclear Threat Around the World
Community Banking Act
FEMA used as an active participant and a leader in disaster relief
Tax on well off social security beneficiaries
100,000 new teachers effort
5,000 new classroom effort
50% of classes thru K-12 on internet
Fourth Graders improvement on world tests
Lifetime Learning Opportunity Program
Controls on Spending and Borrowing
Pension Protection Act of 1994
Record high consumer confidence
Very, very, very low Misery Index
National Agenda on Racial Prejudices
First to get African-American unemployment under 10%
Balanced Budget
Record Corporate profits
Record Bank profits
Record Savings and Loan profits
Never whining despite non-sop smears and attacks
Not having a Mean Bone in his body per Historian David Maraniss
Not knowing how to hate
Classing others as "opponents" not "enemies"
Inviting your attackers to the White House functions
Inviting your defeated opponent Bob Dole to visit troops at Christmas
A national attack on hate crimes
Fighting to protect "legal" immigrants from Republicans in the House.
Fighting hard for Fast Track legislation
Kennedy and Kassenbaum Portability of Insurance
Lowest interest rates in 30 years
Allowing millions of homeowners to refinance home loans at lower (much) rates
Lowest unemployment in 25 years
Lowest inflation in 25 years
Lowest welfare rolls in 27 years
Lowest crime Rates in 25 years
First balanced budget sent to Congress in 29 years
Protecting worker pensions (repeat?)
Opposed ban on "Late Term Abortions"
A stock market which passed a 1,000 mark six times
Greatest growth in federal revenues in history
Played Saxophone and Smoked Peace Pipe, instead of beating War Drums like____.
One of History's all time workers for Peace
President in a year when Fortune Magazine classified it as "Greatest Economy in the History of the world"
Popularity jump in the midst of a scandal.
President with highest peacetime popularity in Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe.
Highest popularity of any president at end of fifth year in office
One of the most highly regarded First Lady in History.
One of the most highly regarded Vice-President in History

[friesianrider]

23. Good list...

But I was very disappointed with his comments on the DSM on ...Letterman was it?

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Me too. I have moved to the RADICAL left of

Mr. "Centrist" Clinton. I loved him when he was prez, but he and Hillary are just too damn moderate for me. I'm sick to death of "making nice" with repukes. THAT is how we got in the situation we are in AND evoting machines. :( Clinton knew damn good and well what was in the DSM. The DLC must have told him to play it cool. THAT sucks.

[friesianrider]

26. I agree.

The time to be nice to these scumbags is over. What exactly are we hoping to get out of it, that we can rest assured we WILL get when the time comes?

I love Bill - really I do - but it is high time to fight fire with fire.