who still thinks Osama attacked us, and why?

[mopaul]

[Renew Deal]

1. I think so.

Because he said so.

[mopaul]

5. when did he say that exactly? was it on one of his famous videos?

and why do you believe it? was it his voice for sure? do you speak farsi?

[pinto]

18. minor point: I don't think Osama speaks Farsi. He's Saudi, I figure Arabic

'least not as his primary language.

[oblivious]

21. The original Osama always denied it.

The fat, right-handed one with the gold ring who congratulated two of the hijackers who are still alive admitted it.

(The original was left-handed and didn't wear a ring.)

[Dover]

2. "...and why". There never was any hard evidence......

and FBI agents like O'Neil who had been tracking him and knew the most about his MO, were taken out of commission.

[justinsb]

3. Whether he did it or not is not the real question

he's said he did it. The question else is who else was involved, who else knew about it beforehand and the aformentioned 'why'

[FreedomAngel82]

13. When did he say it?

[justinsb]

17. In a few of the tapes he has released

he claimed responsibility. I don't doubt that he was involved, but as I said that isn't the real question to me. Whether or not the CIA was involved in 'fixing intelligence' is an interesting question, but knowing the answer doesn't really tell me what I want to know: What I want to know is who was involved, who asked them to do it, and why. Simply finding out the yes or no answer to the first question doesn't get me near to the needed information.

[maveric]

36. How do know those tapes are real?

bin Laden may have died a year before 9/11 for all we know.

[proiowadem]

4. All I know is....

Bush sr. was the head of the cia.
Osama was trained by the cia.
Repubs needed a "New Pearl Harbor"

[donheld]

45. Welcome to DU proiowadem

:hi:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

6. I KNOW, I KNOW (CALL ON ME, PLEASE!!!!!!!)

Osama attacked us because Saddam Hussein told him to because they hate us for our goodness and our freedom and our, uh, we got all this stuff they don't have, and, uh, we eat bacon, and then, uh, they hate us for our freedom (did I already say that?), and we have blue jeans and, uh, girls are dangerous but we have them, too, and they hate us for our breasts.

And they hate us for our liberty that has breasts, and like that.

(Did I win?)

[mopaul]

7. you win free jaegermeister shots all night

till you puke or pass out, whichever comes first.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

11. Thank you, thank you for this great honor

I'd like to thank my co-stars, all of whom deserve this so much more than I do.

And the director - oh, catch this kiss, baby - because you made me what I am today.

My agent and managers are the people who make it possible for me to try to be the best possible craftsperson I can be, and I love them very, very much.

To all the little people, the hair and makeup and wardrobe and script and best boys and gaffers and that odd old guy who sweeps up even when there's nothing on the floor, I'd like to say that you're a part of this wonderful award. I'd like to say it, but that would be bullshit because

IT'S ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!

<thud>

[Blue Belle]

20. Pssst... Pssst... you forgot to mention Liberty...

You need to fit liberty in your answer somewhere... AND they also hate us for McDonalds (Hell... I hate us for McDonalds).

:+

[OldLeftieLawyer]

26. Good catch

I fixed it. Thanks.

:bounce:

[Blue Belle]

29. I just read your correction...

:rofl:

[NoSheep]

40. u r a genius!

:+

[Goldmund]

8. I do

Because his cause and Al Qaeda profits from it. Also because he knew that Bush is a patsie of the military/oil/corporate complex and would also benefit from it -- and therefore would not seriously attempt to stop him.

[jokerman93]

9. I have no reason to believe

Osama had anything to do with it. There has been no investigation and no proof offered. I was simply told Osama did it -- by FOX News I think...

WHatever happened it ain't the official story I'm going to believe. That's for sure.

[timtom]

19. Amen to that, jokerman93!

You've stated my exact thoughts on this.

Furthermore, I remember that bin Laden said he DIDN'T do it. I found that startling, because this would have been a perfect opportunity to bolster his cause, by claiming complicity.

[Kraklen]

10. Sure.

He had the motive, he had the capability.

What kind of help he may have had is certainly up for speculation.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Nope

I've seen enough evidence to show it wasn't him who had something to do with this. It was too perfect for amateur fliers. Check out the doc "Loose Change." Dzkia has it and you can also get it at http://www.mininova.org in the documentary section under movies. It's real simple documentary that shows basic facts and makes you think for yourself. There's too much there to show me other wise. Also on CNN's site in the archives you can see an interview this guy did with BinLaden and he claimed not to know anything about 9/11 and a couple of the hijackers were seen a live like Mohammad Atta for example and a perfect passport was found on the grounds. Now how did that happen? How did a perfectly fine passport be on the ground and get through the fire and ashes and not have a scratch? Also Atta's father said he received a phone call from his son on September 12th. Plus another very clear sign is how they still haven't caught him and it's already been past 3,000 days and they're not even trying to catch him. But the doc "Loose Change" and other research helped me make my decision.

[wakeme2008]

14. Yes I believe he did it BUT

I also believe the WTC was blown up by BFEE because they wanted a big symbol of an attack and computer simps with planes did not show want they wanted...


yes I want my cake and eat it too.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. There's also other evidence

why they blew up the building. WTC7 was the bunker for Guiliani and the FBI and Neil Bush was security up until 9/11 (that day his contracted ended). Also Larry Silversteen made BUTT LOADS of money off of it. But definitley ask Dzkia for "Loose Change."

[cynatnite]

15. Osama and the bush regime both share the blame

Bin Laden financed it. That one hairy dude who was woke up and arrested was the one who thought it all up.

They're responsible. I'm a LIHOPer and I think this admin knew it was coming and didn't do a damn thing to stop it. Bush and his minions are as responsible as is Bin Laden and his henchmen.

[OrlandoGator]

22. What I want to know is how they knew it was al Qaeda within 2 hours.

n/t.

[Renew Deal]

25. I thought it was Al Queda as soon as it happened.

I thought, who would do this? There weren't many people on the list. They were my #1 suspect. But I know, that me me the conspiracy theorist. :eyes:

[OrlandoGator]

38. I thought it was al Qaeda immediately, too...

...but my question was how the authorities confirmed it so quickly. It seemed to me like they confirmed it quicker than the time required to analyze the passenger manifests.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

44. I thought it was another white boy veteran of the first Iraq BS war.

Not really, but just as likely. I wasn't surprised to hear Arab folks blamed though. As seen before in Oklahoma.

[Renew Deal]

49. Oklahoma City

That's what made me skeptical. I knew the media was pushing that line, but I think they remembered what was said after OKC as well.

[nonconformist]

23. Option C

Not sure.

I go back and forth on this.

One thing I'm convinced of is that at a minimum, it was LIHOP.

[bullimiami]

24. I dont think any of us knows enough to be confident in their guess.

too many unanswered questions, too many coverups, too many coincidences.


I do know that bushco have done all they could do to coverup everything. That makes me suspicious on the face of it. And motive? I dont know who had more to gain osama or bush.
I do know who has gained more, bush and friends ; hands down.

[Jack Rabbit]

27. I do

1. The Frat Boy received a briefing stating Osama was planning something about a month before the attacks; the briefing explicitly said that the plan involved hijacked airplanes.

2. Osama issued a fatwa urging his followers to kill Americans wherever they could be found.

3. Osama had done this sort of thing before; his modus operandi is coordinated attacks, such as on US embassies in two African capitals in a single day.

When I heard the second plane hit the WTC, the name "Osama bin Laden" entered my head and I have seen no reason to alter that theory.

If the Bushies were to just blame somebody for the attacks without proof, they would not have blamed Osama; they would have tried to pin it on Saddam. In fact, Rumsfeld wanted to start bombing Iraq in response to the attacks and told Richard Clarke, who was urging action in Afghanistan, that "there were no good targets in Afghanistan."

[gizmo1979]

28. This is why people think we are nuts.

Unless you have something set in stone ,you can't think osama didn't do it.We have the hijackers on tape they didn't cry bush is great as they crashed into the towers.No matter how bad you think the neocons are they aren't that warped.:crazy:

[mopaul]

32. nobody thinks YOU'RE nuts,it's just me

i'm the lone nut around here

[Jack Rabbit]

33. That reminds me of one other reason I think Osama did it

EDITED for typing

Well, I certainly don't think it was the neocons, mostly for the reason you state. I agree that they just are not that warped.

And even if they were that warped, the last two structures in the world into which they would slam hijacked jets would be the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

[gizmo1979]

34. Good point

More likely Berkely and the Golden gate bridge.

[H2O Man]

30. I do.

I try to keep an open mind. But I do not subscribe to either LIHOP or MIHOP. I believe that Usama bin Laden & friends attacked the USA on 9-11.

[gate of the sun]

31. I don't and haven't for some time

since early 2002 I've believed it was an in job by our government. People can say what they like but the government has offered no proof. Matter of fact many of the supposed bombers are alive and living. They promised us proof and they never gave it......funny how they knew right away who is was that did it but couldn't figure it out 48 hours earlier.....they knew it was going to happen.....I might be persuaded to believe in LIHOP but I tend to believe in MIHOP.

[LSK]

35. who is Osama??

This was the discussion on the radio BEFORE the 2nd Tower fell. I remember them talking about him VERY FAST.

[whistle]

37. Osama Bin Laden operatives, possibly, if the official story is...

...even remotely credible. However, it is clear that Iraqi's and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks. I am nothing beginning to believe more strongly than ever that the Arab persons identified as the terrorists on board the flights that day may not have been Al Quida operatives, but were either CIA or U.S. military black ops. The Bush administrations foot dragging in getting Osama Bin Laden by now, failure at rooting out and prosecuting top Al Quida leaders and their lies about Iraq to get the U.S entangled in that area, suggest that the BushCo agenda is something much different than what they have been telling the American public and the world. Time to really get out of Iraq and to get to the truth of what actually happened on 9-11 and prosecute the deceivers.

[Disturbed]

39. Neil Bush was security up until 9/11- Not factual.

Marvin Bush's company was and their contract expired Sept. 10th.

I feel that it was LIHOP but GW Bush was out of the loop on it. I believe that it was known that an attack was coming but not exactly where. The Bush Regime ignored it and didn't prepare the airlines for it. That still could mean gross negligence instead of straight out LIHOP. I have not read any convincing proof of LIHOP just a feeling as of now.

[stevans_41902]

42. I am not sure yet, although I saw part of "loose change" and i

thought seriously for the first time that Bush was behind the attacks. I WANT to believe it was Osama, but the news footage (or lack thereof) makes a compelling argument for LIHOP or MIHOP. I remember seeing the pictures of the field in Pennsylvania and thinking something looked "off" - duh - every other picture i had EVER seen of a plane crash, there was a plane still mostly in tact. All that was there was a hole in the ground. Hmmm... But I still have so many unanswered questions and the answers to them don't sound plausible. For instance, it has been speculated that the phone calls made to family members were faked, but I KNOW my mothers/fathers/boyfriends voice and I seriously doubt someone could fake their voices good enough to fool me. Also if it were different planes/missles that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon then where did all the people dissappear to? I doubt all of the victims families are in on the cover up.
Some more questions for people who think MIHOP:
do you think osama was behind the '93 bombing of the WTC, U.S.S. Cole, Madrid Train bombing, and how about the other attacks on america that osama was supposed to have executed when clinton was president but didn't happen b/c clinton prevented them? Just curious b/c i believe that osama has had a history of terror attacks. also, is there a video where osama says he wasn't responsible (in all of the videos i have seen he is admitting it.)

[Al-CIAda]

41. The war games...

The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
Testimony of Sentor Dayton and an interview with Dr. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret. USAF) by Micheal Kane. He discusses the war games planned that very morning at the exact time the event occured.
Powerful 15 min....must see imho

http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-08-04/dayton.html

[The Magistrate]

43. There Is No Doubt Of It, Sir

The jihadists had made their intent clear for years. No sound argument against the proposition has yet been presented, here or anywhere else. What can be accomplished by a few bold, determined people who hold their lives cheap has always been, and will always remain, the great imponderable of human history.

[donheld]

46. If not Osama then who?

Yo mama? :evilgrin: Bill Clinton convinced me.

Edit to add: that doesn't mean i don't think it wasn't a MIHOP/LIHOP. I think it probably was.

[Guaranteed]

47. He basically admitted it on video numerous times.

And, no, I don't have a damned link. Look on your own if you haven't seen them.

I won't be responding to argumentative bullshit here, just to head that right off. You hang around DU long enough and you see it coming even when you know you're right.

[Pastiche423]

48. Still?

Powell promised the world a "white paper" that would prove it was Osama.

I'm still waiting.

[wiggs]

50. Richard Clarke believes so...

...and he's not exactly an insider anymore.