One More take on the CA recall decision

[Perky]

Seems to me that what the Ninth Circuit was saying is that the issue of disenfenchisement is not yet ripe. Meaning while it may be a valid concern in punch-card counties they can's assume facts not in evidence.

Therefore my guess is that the ACLU can appeal to SCOTUS...but my guess is that they will say effectively the same thing.

So...here is the question:

Let's say Gray loses in a squeaker and Arnold wins the 2nd vote (albeit meaningless since Gray won) in a squeaker.. Arnold sues on the same basis as the ACLU. How many DUers say that Arnold's complaints are not valid. ANd He and the ACLU should both drop the Lawsuit?

Disenfranchisement is Disenfanchisement regardless if Blue or Red right?

What if Gray loses in a squeaker and Cruz wins? Should the Repukes ask the coursts to invalidate the results?

This has got to back to SCOTUS regardless right? Lest we be hypocrites ourselves. I think even if Gray wins we all should support a Scotus review. Right?

Or is this about winning more than it is about Equal Protection under the law?

[mitchtv]

1. it's not going to SCOTUS per CNN

If Arnold wins with less votes than Davis/NO . No appeals just Recall 2

[Perky]

2. IIF THAT IS TRUE...

ACLU et.al are a bunch of wimps.. Maybe they are just waiting until after the election is settled. If they don't then it is the height of hypocrisy!

[Perky]

3. IIF THAT IS TRUE...

ACLU et.al are a bunch of wimps.. Maybe they are just waiting until after the election is settled. If they don't then it is the height of hypocrisy!

[mitchtv]

4. waste of time and money

bush V. Gore is only for republicans

[haymaker]

5. Fuckin' save it!

It has been widely held that the election should go on regardless of the machines, if only BECAUSE this recall comes before March 2004. Bush v. Gore was bullshit and nobody is going to support it with regard to this case because it is bullshit.

The real lawsuit will come if there is a close election. And in that event, the 3 judge panel will have been vindicated because they said that these problems could be avoided by changing the machines. Perhaps the ACLU is waiting for that event.

You scenarios are bullshit, nothing has happened yet and you are trying to bash the ACLU and are inventing election results that allow you to call us hypocrits. Phony attempt at supporting fair elections.

The case is valid, more urban voters (likely Democrats) will have their votes thrown out again. It is the same as it ever was, one side wants votes to count, the other doesn't, I know which side you are on.

[Perky]

6. I am merly suggesting...

That regardless of the outcome(s) The ACLU case has merit on its own,...and that if Someone wins or loses by less than 40,000 votes the case ought to contunue.


If the ACLU drops the case if Gray wins by 30,000 is that not Hypocritical.

If Arnold loses by 25,0000 should he not have the right to sue on the same basis?

[Larry Gude]

7. What's the real issue here?

Hi folks,

#1 The re-call is Constitutional under California law. I think it an abomination and I haven't read much of any good about Davis but it is theirs. Do Californians want it gone, the re-call as political nuke? I don't see good reason as to how a very small minority (1 mil signatures I think?) can take the opinion of the majority in an election and essentially say (a la Windows) are you SURE you want to do that?

#2 If the punch cards are so damn bad, do Californians want a state wide standard for voting equipment?

This whole ACLU suit has only added to the farce, IMO. If it is legitimate in terms of dis-enfranchisement, then don't we have to also go down the black hole of the validity of the LAST election?

As an aside, anyone know what, if anything, Florida has down about state wide voting standards?

[Perky]

8. Exact;ly....the SCOTUS Nightmare

Gray barely loses but Arnold barely loses to Cruz by say 5,000 votes.


How many Justices can dance on the head od a pin?

[newyawker99]

12. Hi Larry Gude!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[StopThief]

9. Wouldn't be an issue under any scenario if the Supreme. . . .

Court follows Bush v. Gore. In Bush v. Gore the issue was different standards in judging ballots ina manual recount. Florida had no statewide standards, so different counties were handling similar ballots using different standards. There would be no issue in California, because there are statewide standards in place. Bush v. Gore would not apply.

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[Democat]

11. Some low post counts and Dem/ACLU bashing in this thread

:)

[Perky]

13. What Bashing?

My only point was that to not take thie underying complaint forward when the issue is in full bloom regardless of outcome is wimpy and potentially hypocritical.


What is wrong with that?