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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:23 AM
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Rove Plays Politics With 9/11 Attacks, Again
From Light Up The Darkness--see original post for multiple links on background information


Rove Plays Politics With 9/11 Attacks, Again
23 June 2005

The New York Times quotes Karl Rove as saying, "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

So much deceit is present in this single sentence.

The first part, regarding conservatives preparing for war, is technically true, but deceiving. Conservatives prepared for war not against the attackers, but instead took advantage of the attack to pursue their long term goals, such as the invasion of Iraq. This was the new Pearl Harbor which neoconservatives such as those in the Project For The New American Century had been waiting for, knowing such an event would be necessary to pursue their goals.

The second part regarding liberals is even more untrue. Yes, liberals wanted to prepare indictments, but supported a combination of criminal and military responses as appropriate. The line about offering therapy in nonsense. Liberals did acknowledge the need to understand the attackers in order to prevent further attacks, but that was not in place of military action.

The nation appeared to be standing together immediately post 9/11. Liberals were willing to back George Bush in any military response to the attacks. After all, it had been the Democrats who attempted to go after Bin Laden during the Clinton years despite opposition from the Republicans. It was the Clinton Administration which provided plans to deal with al Qaeda, which the Bush Administration ignored.

The difference was that liberals wanted to take action against the threat, while conservatives used 9/11 to further than political goals, resulting in a course which has increased our vulnerability to terrorist attacks. For that reason alone, the current crop of Republicans is unfit for national leadership.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1132
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:29 AM
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1. Rove has his head up his ass
Obviously talking to the bottom of the gene pool.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:36 AM
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6. In a sense I disagree
I don't disagree with your disgust for Rove, but I wouldn't put it has having his head up his ass. This gives the impresson he doesn't know what he is doing.

Rove knows very well what he is doing. That makes him very dangerous.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:49 AM
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8. I agree. He is very dangerous
and amoral as well.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:33 AM
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2. Why Now? Because they have nothing left
in their arsenal that can attempt to garner any public support and try to force the Congressional GOP (particularly the senate) back in line.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:50 AM
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9. Scotty and Shrub trotted out 9/11 in the past couple days, too.
Must be the new talking point.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:21 AM
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11. The push back should be as follows:
tie the DSM - and the KNOWN actions (the bombing... the shift of military budget and planning resources away from Afghanistan in early 2002 and towards Iraq)... to begin to paint a very REAL picture...

The war on terror was not related to Iraq - it was in competition with it - per resources, per administration and pentagon interest... they were so hot to go to iraq (and the DSMs point to this) that they drew down on the WoT to go to iraq.

Sorta neutralizes their talking points.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:05 AM
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13. They even had to do the Flag burning issue.. distract from DSM!
but the drumbeat goes on! .. the drip drip as even COnyers called it!
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:33 AM
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3. Well, in one sense, he's correct about this being our weak spot.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 09:37 AM by iconoclastic cat
I mean, I think when they say, "liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," they are really talking about liberals' response to attacks of any sort. The Repubs are bloodthirsty bullies, but due to our nature, we feel bad about knocking them on their asses--and too often, we apologize for smacking them. We know it's wrong to attack, to verbally slander someone for political gain, or to commit fraud to win, but the Repubs do not. We don't get it, because we are by nature sympathetic. This is why we end up being punked so often.

I should add, too, that nothing arouses a bully's contempt like being apologized to for kicking his or her ass.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:33 AM
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4. "liberals wanted to take action against the threat, while conservatives...
used 9/11 to further their political goals"
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:34 AM
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5. Good commentary.
Bush's brain is clearly running out of ideas so he's going back to the old playbook.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:37 AM
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7. Unfortunately that play book has worked well for them
Hopefully information such as the DSM and considerable informaiton on how we are at a greater danger due to their inept actions will change public opinion.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:04 AM
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10. Using Rove's ILLOGIC, then...
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 10:05 AM by Village Idiot
It is preferable to ATTACK terrorists, despite the KNOWN, DEMONSTRABLE INCONTRAVERTABLE FACT that these actions inflame terrorism, increase terrorist numbers and the severity of their attacks, than it is to attempt to address the fundemental inequalities and political/military interference that CREATES terrorism.

Little wonder the "War on Terra" is losing ground.

What a fucking clod.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:01 AM
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12. its the DSM.. even Rove himself is out distracting personally..
I think they feel the heat! that little weasel... we will get him someday!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:07 AM
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14. He's channeling Joseph Goebbels again.
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