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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:11 PM
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MoveOn wants to know if they should focus on getting our troops home !!!!
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 03:46 PM by helderheid
We believe it's time to stand up to President Bush and demand the Congress begin bringing our troops home while doing what we can to support a stable Iraq. But we want to know where you stand. Please vote now.



Dear MoveOn member,

Next week, President Bush is expected to give a speech in which, despite the chaos and car bombs and rising daily attacks by insurgents, he'll argue that everything is going well in Iraq and we should stay the course. It's clear that the president is out of touch with reality—as Republican Senator Chuck Hagel said, "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."

We believe that it's time to stand up to him and demand that Congress begin bringing our troops home, while doing what we can to support a stable Iraq. We got into this war the wrong way, and it's time to get out the right way.

But we want to know where you stand. Should we work together in a major campaign to get Democrats and Republicans in Congress on board with a responsible exit plan? Or should we focus on other issues, either in Iraq or here at home?

We won't move forward without a mandate from you. Vote now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/iraqsurvey/

For the last few years, the American public has been split on what to do about Iraq. Some folks have argued that it's our responsibility to stay there until a democratic, stable state emerges. Others believe that our presence fuels the insurgency, and that it's our duty to our men and women in uniform and to the Iraqi people to bring our troops home.

But in recent months, a major opinion shift has occurred: now more and more Americans believe that we've done what we can in Iraq, and that it's time to begin to come home.

Last week Rep. Walter Jones, the formerly pro-war Republican representative who coined the term "Freedom Fries," joined a bi-partisan group of legislators to call for a concrete plan to bring our men and women home from Iraq. The resolution introduced by him, fellow Republican Rep. Ron Paul and Democratic Congressmen Neil Abercrombie and Dennis Kucinich would require the president to put together a plan by the end of the year for bringing home all U.S. forces from Iraq—with troop withdrawal beginning no later than October 1, 2006.

Polling shows that nearly 60% of Americans say they oppose the Iraq war—including half who say it was a mistake. At the same time, Republican critics of the war grow by the day. Democrats are beginning to speak out. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Iraq a "grotesque mistake" and Senate Leader Harry Reid called Bush policy, "disconnected from the reality on the ground."

These changes signal that there is perhaps a unique moment to point out the problems in Iraq and end the war in a better way than we started—bringing our troops home safely and helping the Iraqis build a new post-Saddam life.

We want to know what you think. Please take a few minutes right now to let us know by completing the survey at the link below.
http://www.moveonpac.org/iraqsurvey/

Thanks for sharing your feedback.

–Eli Pariser
Executive Director, MoveOn PAC
Thursday, June 23rd, 2005

P.S. Here are some helpful resources about the current state of affairs in Iraq.

"Bush Shifts Focus to Iraq," Associated Press, June 16, 2005
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/16/bush.ap/

"Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll," The New York Times, June 17, 2005.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/politics/17poll.html

"N.C. congressmen supports timetable for withdrawal from Iraq." Associated Press, June 12, 2005.
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=759

PAID FOR BY MOVEON PAC
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.


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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:13 PM
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1. so far
Current Results: What should we do about Iraq?
Thanks for filling out the survey!

Current results

Should we work together to begin bringing the troops home, by supporting the Jones-Abercrombie resolution? (The resolution would require the president to put together a plan by the end of the year for bringing home all U.S. forces from Iraq with troop withdrawal beginning no later than October 1, 2006.)
83.5% I would support a campaign like that.
16.5% MoveOn should work on other priorities, or another approach to what's going on in Iraq.

Based on 20,774 votes.

This page updates every five minutes.
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ThumperDumper Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:18 PM
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4. Where's the third option?
I like the one some Democrats are working on NOW.
It's a threat to the Iraqi government to get their poop together or we're bringing the troops home.

.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:17 PM
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2. Work for impeachment. That will bring the troops home quicker.
Bush would bring them home really fast if he thought it would prevent impeachment.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:18 PM
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3. gooooood!
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:25 PM
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5. Me say stick with
DSM
stick with
BUSH lie
soldiers die
no soldiers should die for a lie

Force republican hands to withdraw the troops

Or they get whack silly in 2006

They are cracking
Disconnected from reality
Bring the troops home
Some even jumping boat

Keep attacking

OH tell moveon got new petition need 1 million signature
think by democracynow

thread in general discussion go sign it hehe
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:25 PM
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6. kick
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:27 PM
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7. Once Bush answer
DSM he better be ready for republicans to eat him alive
Impeachment call already make by Winsc Democrats I think
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:34 PM
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8. I agree
Where are you from Oversea?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:43 PM
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11. Malaysia
Now 5am lol being posting since 9.00 am
need sleep now.
Good morning to you I go to bed
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:44 PM
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12. sweet dreams!
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:47 PM
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14. Ok still trying to reply everyone who talk to me lol
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:39 PM
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9. is your name Clairity S..............?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:40 PM
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10. who wants to know??
;)
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:45 PM
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13. When I click on the link in your first post Moveon asks if my name is
Chairity S________.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:53 PM
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15. ooops
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:02 PM
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16. I redid the link! thanks for the heads up
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:13 PM
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17. Yeah, like MoveOn cares what we think!!
I'm still steaming over the fact that we voted at MoveOn houseparties last winter to focus on election reform -- clearly NOT what MoveOn wanted to hear. They promptly forgot all about that... even though it was people's #1 priority at the time.

They're really floundering, ever since the election.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:39 PM
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18. My response to them
I voted against the campaign (and am losing, according to the results!)

I'm conflicted; I've always opposed this illegal and immoral war. However, I still believe in the "Pottery Barn Rule" -- you break it, you fix it. Dubya and the neocons desperately wanted this war, and now they should have to rebuild Iraq. My heart breaks for our troops, but until they realize what their leadership has done (fixing intelligence to get this war) and start speaking out, I don't think we should be giving this administration a break by allowing them the easy way out.
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