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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:42 PM
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Enough Of The Damn Learned Helplessness Already! Stop Conceding Defeat!!!
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 04:47 PM by DistressedAmerican
(Posted this in another thread but, it is long overdue around here. so, I am making it a thread of its own.)

All of this damn learned helplessness is one reason we have been getting our asses kicked.

I am so fucking sick of hearing how we will never make progress! "Oh, the media will just bury it.", " Rove is too damn well connected.", Etc.

As long as you conceded defeat rather than trying to energize the movement, you have already lost and are working to demoralize the rest of us!

Who does that help? The movement? No! Bushco? Yes!

ROVE IS NOT ALL POWERFUL! BUSHCO CAN'T PULL THIS SHIT FOREVER! THEY WILL BE STOPPED AND IT IS PEOPLE LIKE US THAT GET THE JOB DONE! NEVER FORGET THAT!

Stop rolling over like freaking pussies and fight these bastards. I will NEVER concede defeat (and if I did, I wouldn't advertise the fact)!

Now is the time to show spine people! The "we are powerless" crowd may as well go work for the repugs. They are doing just as much harm from the inside!

On Edit: Sure we have been beaten like dogs for years now. But, are YOU going to roll over and play dead or are you READY to bite back after all this time?

Rant off.



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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:45 PM
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1. Thank you, Distressed...
Exactly how I feel. I get sick of reading all these whiny threads about how we don't stand a chance. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:53 PM
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6. One-on-one creative honest interaction on the issues.
And shine the light on them. Talk about what they are doing and how it works with Corporate Media to deliver endless circuses but NO BREAD.

We have to talk about their LIES: such as "There isn't enough to go around for everyone (Forget those 'loaves and fishes'). There i$ not enough for everyone, so some MUST accept LESS. You deserve whatever you have and if you have nothing it is because you deserve nothing . . . "
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:05 PM
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7. Every Defeatist Post I See From this Day Forward Will Get The Same Reply
STOP ROLLING OVER!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:45 PM
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2. APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!
and recommended!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:45 PM
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3. Fight, if we get knocked down, we get back up and fight again
I am so glad to see MSM all over Karl. I do however question Mr. Rove's motives.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:22 PM
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12. 2006 Motives.... there are people that will believe this fuck...
Shout it from the rooftops ... LIAR LIAR!

RED ROVER RED ROVER SEND GANNON RIGHT OVER!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:46 PM
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4. All things change. Shine the light on him. People are becoming more
aware of him and his sock-puppets, like the Fristarian Evangel-cartel-campaign-machine.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:48 PM
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5. I've said the same myself countless times, big kick!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:08 PM
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8. Well, sure, okay.I guess. Why not?
I'll keep biting back.

You make the point about Rove very well. Sometimes we seem to act as our own "paid operatives" of the WH. (No need to infiltrate us, we'll demoralize ourselves, thank you very much!)

From the looks of that poster you have there, It looks like Uncle Sam would be all for gay marriage...
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:19 PM
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9. Glad you put this up as a separate post, DA!
It's really sad, how MANY DUers seem to have a single response to EVERY opportunity that presents itself:



WAKE UP, PEOPLE! THIS IS HAPPENING NOW!
d
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:16 PM
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15. Man! Another Great Animation! Good to see the great work of yours!
I'm glad we finally hooked up!
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 12:52 AM
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20. RIIIIGHT back atcha!
KICK!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:49 PM
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10. ThankYou ThankYou ThankYou ThankYou!!!!
I posted a hopeful thread a fews days ago in GD & it just got trashed by the prophets of doom. So much so that I checked to see how many posts the nay-sayers had. Sadly, all appeared to be long-time DUers.

Fear-mongering is not the exclusive domain of the RW. We do more to sabotage ourselves by this behavior than the Repugs could ever do.

Thanks for this post--it is sorely needed around here!
:applause: :headbang:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:12 AM
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21. Kick!
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:11 PM
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11. History is on your side.
The universe always seems to eventually wake up.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:20 PM
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13. NO Tyrant Prospers Forever And It Is Always The PEOPLE That
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 08:20 PM by DistressedAmerican
bring them down!

That is one of the many lessons I take from history!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:46 PM
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14. Kicker!
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:26 PM
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16. Super KICK! Cajones all around...
I'm sick a tired of hearing Dem excuses for NOT KICKING SOME ASS. We need to fight hard, dirty, and for keeps...not this bullshit "careful and considered" approach excuse I keep on hearing regarding some of our leaders. These folks either need to step aside or grow some political balls QUICKLY.

JB
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:37 PM
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17. Damn right! eom
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:57 PM
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18. Kick!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:20 PM
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19. ...
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:17 AM
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22. Howard Dean is taking the message home!
Support the full spread fund-raise.

http://www.dccc.org
http://www.democrats.org This whole month and beyond the DNC will match every donation in order to sweep the corrupt out of office.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:26 AM
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23. Good For You
Good post. I am from the "never surrender" school of life. If having MS has taught me anything, it's that giving up is the surest way to fail.
The Professor
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:29 AM
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24. I couldn't agree more..
.... that's why I applaud certain players in the game, those who haven't thrown in the towel.

Bush and Rove's "power" is derived from smoke and mirrors, and people are starting to see the men behind the curtain.

No one who is omnipotent could possibly create the debacle that is the Iraq war, the debacle that is our economy, the debacles hurting America on a daily basis.

They are already wounded, this is the time to ratchet up the fight, not abandon it. And trust me on this - when the adminsitration starts destructing before your eyes, and it will, it WILL BE COVERED BY THE MEDIA.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:44 AM
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25. Bravo!
Evidently, great minds think alike....this from Oliver Willis
www.oliverwillis.com

It’s Time To Stand
June 23rd, 2005 | 9:35 pm

I am not one of the people who feels Karl Rove is a political genius. I think he’s a talented political operative with a good dose of luck on his side. That said, does anyone believe the flag amendment and his attack on the Democrats just happened out of coincidence? Rove’s legacy will be tied to George W. Bush and right now he sees his great triumph, Bush’s re-election, currently stuck in the second term blahs. The few legislative achievements he’s got are paybacks to his supporters, but not the sort of transformative work Presidents want written in their obituaries.

The Republican party stands for nothing if they aren’t demonizing the Democratic party as anti-American. They did it when Bill Clinton was President, and they’ve done it since the moment George Bush obtained the White House. That is what they’re doing now. They’ve got nothing more than passing legislation that does nothing to actually help America, preferring instead to gin up the slack jawed folks who are their most ardent supporters with a neverending river of bigotry, hate, and bile. To date the left has become their enablers, preferring to play to some form of mythical “moderation” while these idiots defecate on our national foundations. Many Democrats (including myself in the past) have preferred the path of least resistance, trying to appeal to the mythical center while at the same time ignoring our core values.

We have to stop this now. In order to preserve this nation, we must stop giving in to the Republicans and their hatred of America’s diversity of race, thought, ideology, and values. In the early part of the 20th century, those who championed racist hatred were in the majority. For many, the “right” thing politically would have been to walk in lockstep with the klan and their ilk. But they were wrong, and the people who supported them were wrong. We have to stand up for the right things, even if you’re in the minority, even if you’re not doing the politically expedient thing, because standing up for what’s right is the moral thing to do.

To the Hillary Clintons, Harry Reids, John Edwardses, Joe Bidens, and other leaders of our side - it is time to draw a line in the sand. It is time, at long last, to cease with the smiles and the well-wishes and to make clear that the time to declare open political warfare on these people is long past due.

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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:54 AM
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26. Very Good Little Read! We Need More Oliver's!!!
Think I'll add a link for him on my website. I really like the folks that are still fighting these pigs.

No more rolling over, no more defeatism!

Power to the people (for a change)!
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:06 AM
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27. Oliver works for Media Matters with David Brock
and has appeared on C-Span, among other programs.

He is always on target, and I have him bookmarked to read daily. Link him if you can!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:19 AM
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28. Will Do. I Am Making Some Updates Right Now!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:45 AM
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29. Morning Kick! FIGHT, FIGHT,FIGHT!!!
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 09:31 AM
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30. This morning, I have noticed
on 3 different news programs: the repuke talking point on this is that Dems, in attacking rove, are trying to deflect attention from Durbin's APOLOGY. Some of the talking heads used the word "APOLOGY" over and over. A few days ago, they were saying Durbin's "REMARKS."

Perception is everything. repukes know that to the sheeple, the reference to the APOLOGY make Dems look

WEAK WEAK WEAK WEAK!

Obviously, we must stop APPEARING weak, wimpy and conciliatory. Obviously, that is what rove was trying to accomplish in the first place. Psychology is everything with non-thinking sheeple.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:12 AM
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31. Fuck Rove And Fuck The Sheep! Well, Rove Is Already Fucking The Sheep!
Unthinking, mindless drones are ripe for manupulation.

We WILL STOP THEM!!!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 12:58 PM
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32. Kick!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 01:41 PM
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33. ...
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 01:56 PM
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34. Vive La Revolution!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:29 PM
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35. One Last Kicker. I Hope Read It And Took It To Heart!
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