How much longer can the "neo-cons" escape responsibility ?

[kentuck]

Operating from their PNAC writings and strategy, there is a group of incompetent, dangerous thinkers that have this nation on the brink of disaster. Disaster, both on international and domestic fronts. They have had the ear of this Administration and the puppet-boy in the WH since the very first day. It is they that have pushed the idea of a democracy in the Middle East, which up to this point has been disastrous. We have no idea how it might be in the future. Anarchy is OK with this bunch because it will evolve into democracy. They are like the band on the Titantic.

Lest we forget, we had Little Billy Kristol of the Weekly Standard, who was one of the first to put the idea into writing. He sought the advice and counsel of Richard Perle, longtime neo-con, almost god-father to the rest. Add Wolfowitz and Cheney to the equation and you have the volatile mixture of dangerous personalities that brought our nation to the point it is today. Let us not forget those that stirred the pot and ladled on the syrup to those willing to obey...

[LoZoccolo]

1. Problem is...

1. No one knows who they are.
2. People think we're crazy when we try to introduce the subject.
3. As a result, you can't get them to read anything about them to back it up.

For this reason, they can do whatever and it's just over the radar of just about everyone. You can have a world domination conspiracy, and no one here will bother to even pay attention to it.

I think maybe we could bring up that they lied about the reasons for going to war, and when people are like "but why would they lie?" then they'd be interested.

[boxster]

2. I think that a lot will depend

on how much control they continue to have over the next few years. Right now, they control most of the media, so they control the "spin" on nearly everything. Obviously, it's not complete control, as the current polls would show. Bushit only works when they are successful at snowballing the public. That ability is fading.

They've already started the US on a path of economic and social destruction, and that's only after a couple of years. If Bush gets re-elected and continues to push fiscal irresponsibility and global isolationism, the results could take decades to fix. His ridiculous tax cuts were so incredibly irresponsible, it's difficult to fathom.

It also depends on the American public. Obviously, a great number of people are apathetic and/or blind. Why 50% of the public still supports this idiot is beyond me. Though, I never understood why anyone voted for him in the first place.

More importantly, the Democrats in Congress need to quit kissing Bush's butt and capitulating to his demands. Partisan politics is apparently the only game in town, and if the Republicans are going to blindly follow Bush, then the Democrats need to be a united front against him. That's starting, but they need to keep at it from now until election-time. Obviously, they're a minority, but a vocal minority is better than accepting things as they have been.

[Resistance Is Futile]

3. Probably never

Remind me -- how much time did Nixon spend in jail?

A big part of the raeson why the reTHUG crowd have become so brazen in their efforts to dismantle democracy is that their dirty tricks campaigns never result in prosecutions. Nixon escaped Watergate. Reagan and his henchmen effectively escaped Iran-Contra. Scarfe was never widely outed for funding the vendetta against Clinton. Linda Trip was not substantively punished for illegally recording telephone calls. No one was ever punished for bringing in a rent-a-mob to disrupt the 2000 recounts. Follow this pattern and it is clear that no one will be substantively punished for the corruption and nepotism under Chimpy.



As a point of order, PNAC is a foreign-policy unthinktank. They aren't particularly interested in domestic issues. Neocons with a domestic agenda generally congregate under the banners of the American Enterprise Insitute (AEI) and the Heritage Foundation.

[boxster]

4. Excellent points.

The power that these guys yield is scary. They spent $60 million trying to impeach Clinton for having sex, yet they lie, cheat, and steal, and nothing comes of it. In the Bush Admin, it's a sure way to promotion.

[Touchdown]

5. Never.

50 years from now, after they've destroyed democracy and restored feudalist aristocracy, they'll still blame Bill Clinton for all the new Oliver Twists they've created.