An honest question regarding MIHOP

[Must_B_Free]

Some time ago there were some terrorist attacks in Saudi arabia; I think it was a bombing?

The Saudi official blamed it on Zionists and the us media kind of laughed it off.

I guess my question is Who is the US really being manipulated by? Because both Randi and Michael Moore blame Saudis and seem to want that to be our next target; however this seems at odds to me with the Likud sympathetic Israel spy ring in the Pentagon, the Likud infested NeoCons and the bad information and policy and ultimately the Iraq war that they fostered.

So who is the real bad guy and who are we really being maniulated by? Who really did 911? Saudi or Likud? The circumstantial evidence points to Saudi, but what abou the NeoCons?

And, in consideration of that answer, if it is really Neocon zionists, then are people like Randi And Michael Moore disingenuous in blaming it on Saudi Arabia?

The only thing I am certain of is that the US is the big sleeping pawn in this global war.

[bpilgrim]

1. the neoCONs did 911 - n/t

peace

[Must_B_Free]

2. In that case, I predict that the leftwing swing

will be fostered and we will "discover" that we need to attack Saudi Arabia and steal all of their oil too.

Thus the Neocons use both the right and the left swings of the pendulum to capture BOTH leading reserves of oil in the world and solve the "muslim problem" for Likud in the process...

[bpilgrim]

4. the neoCONs did it, so the 'left wing swing' will be to prosecute them

as it has always been if we use DU as a sample of left-wing attitudes.

however, the elites will always be after the OIL, same as it ever was.

peace

[pie]

3. I'll second that

[Endangered Specie]

5. Ive never fully understood the need many people have to

see a giant global conspiracy of some wacky form or another. I suspect its because such tragic and 'earth shattering' events as 9/11 (other examples being assasinations, pearl harbor, pyramids etc...), the human mind wants to think that only a very large power is responsible for such dramatic events in life (such as why people want to believe that Kennedy was shot by some larger menacing force at work, rather than some crackpot with an old rifle). Unfortunately, big things can be caused by small people.

[JackRiddler]

6. do note that your post

in no way deals with facts. Pure rhetoric with pop-psych bulldada.

"The human mind wants to think that only a very large power is responsible..."

Oh really? Then how come so many human minds think exactly like you do, that it's NEVER a conspiracy? (And this despite the existence of conspiracy law?)

Obviously, "big things can be caused by small people." (Why do you say "unfortunately," and why do you call them small?) Can they also be caused by "big people" on occasion? If so, you have said nothing. De nada. Pathetic cliches.

There is such a thing as macrocriminality by states. States have engineered terror attacks, big lies and wars of aggression before.

Therefore, "dismissal in advance of inquiry" remains the surest way to never learn anything.

I invite those of you who haven't to inquire:

Justicefor911.org
911Truth.org

[Endangered Specie]

7. my post wasnt just a little observation of human behavoir...

you can take it or leave it, human behavoir and patterns are interesting to me.

Ive never stated that I 'never' believe in any conspriacy, I just dont buy the ones that have little to no evidence.

I invite people to read what some experts in engineering have done:
http://www.asce.org/responds/index.cfm
and of course, the government propoganda machine :eyes: NIST.
icivilengineer and the Pop mechanics article are also ok.

[bpilgrim]

9. WTC7 collapse ----------------- ------------------- > FLASH

http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=51&pos=0

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Endangered Specie]

11. and this proves what? the building fell down?

The structure failed in the lower floors that wouldnt be seen in that.

[bpilgrim]

12. the building fell in its own foot print, as only CD can do

CLEAN COLLAPSE vs DIRTY COLLAPSE

only 2 types of collapses come under the CLEAN category...

1. design
2. CD

that's it

all the other types come in under the DIRTY category.

peace

[bpilgrim]

8. Ive never fully understood the need many people have to...

see everything that happens as just by chance, when we all know that the elite scheme all the time and have been involved in many huge and evil plots throughout history, and then criticize others for questioning them?

maybe their ignorance makes them feel safer somehow :shrug:

peace

[Rex]

10. The people who endorsed PNAC did it.

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