I'm ignorant - what is MIHOP?

[helderheid]

[davidinalameda]

1. they sell pancakes there

:bounce:

[helderheid]

2. I thought so!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Made it happen... 9/11

[Goldmund]

4. Google is your friend

http://www.mihop.com/

[BlueEyedSon]

9. LOL, looks like google is a *tricky* friend!

[King Coal]

5. It is an acronym for "Made it Happen On Purpose".

[helderheid]

8. THANK YOU

DU is my friend too so neener neener google heads! ;)

[babylonsister]

11. Made it happen aka engineered, vs. LIHOP, let it

happen aka allowed, enabled

[BlueEyedSon]

6. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. I will teach you to fish:

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://www.google.com/

[King Coal]

13. Don't give him a foot to chew on.

[catnhatnh]

16. Give a man a beer,he drinks for 5 minutes,

Show him the fridge and he can drink all day....

[Javaman]

17. Give a man a beer and he drinks for 5 minutes...

Show a man a urinal and he pees for 10

[davidinalameda]

18. and pisses for the next hour

remember--you don't really drink beer, you only borrow it

[BlueEyedSon]

20. I was being serious (and helpful)!

[leftofthedial]

7. okay, I'll bite

Made It Happen On Purpose

the neocon cabal engineered the 9-11 attacks.

[SteppingRazor]

10. MIHOP is

The belief -- still largely unfounded, from the massive amounts I've read on it -- that Bush and Co. not only knew about the 9/11 attacks and let it happen (a.k.a. LIHOP), but actually engineered the attacks themselves and Made It Happen On Purpose.

[helderheid]

12. I appreciate all y'alls

[sabra]

14. was that a test? :-)

[helderheid]

15. heheheh

I failed. I was looking for a cheat sheet. :)

[Endangered Specie]

19. A particularlaly fringe and unsupported conspiracy theory...

MIHOP = Made It happen on purpose, proposing that Bushand co engineered, orchastrated the 9/11 attacks as a massive cover up, similiar to the Reichstag fire. As a result, there are many (some conflicting) pieces of 'evidence' presented, mostly speculation, questions, little substantial proof, or 'proof' that is doctored, 'data' is often misinterpreted or manufactured. Oh yes, and people who dont agree with it are often ridiculed as being Bush supporters or freepers by its supporters.

FOr instance, the wild theory that the planes had a 'clearly viewable' missile pod, for what purpose the answers are conflicting. But evidence is submitted in the form of a few low quality pictures (some of whose, the quality is less than the original), wheres higher quality picutres that clearly show nothing attatched to the plane are convientently left out.

There are dozens if not hundreds of things like these, the trouble is most people who 'speculate' on this have insufficient engineering expertise, and usually claim the real experts are somehow coersed, and every one who doesnt accept it is labeled as some sort of 'pawn' or 'government agent' responsible for quelling dissent of the TRUTH! :eyes:

[screembloodymurder]

21. "You don't know nothin" dwannnng

Building #7 was demolished. I don't need proof, I saw it go down and I know a demolition when I see one.

[Endangered Specie]

27. Sure you do...

(see my point about people claiming to be experts in the field, that and how they don't even 'need' proof:eyes:, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof)

heres what some experts have to say:
(NIST): http://wtc.nist.gov/
(building 7): http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf
(ASCE): www.asce.org, I cant get the site to load atm, but there is a ton of stuff in there.
(Icivilengineer): http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/report.php
(of course, by citing a 'goverment' or 'corporate' source, I will now be called part of conspiracy).

[BlueEyedSon]

22. For instance, that the Air Force stood down when they normally

would have intercepted the planes in minutes.

Or, that the Secret Service felt no need to get the POTUS away from a poorly protected public photo-op.

Or that WTC7 mysteriously imploded like a rigged demolition.

Or that the alleged hijackers we already under (officially and artificially weakened) FBI scrutiny.

Or that the Aug 6 PDB pretty much laid out UBL's plans.....

[Endangered Specie]

29. ...

Or, that the Secret Service felt no need to get the POTUS away from a poorly protected public photo-op.
(I seem to recall him being shuffled off in a plane into a hideout base not long after)

Or that WTC7 mysteriously imploded like a rigged demolition.
(how was it mysterious, and how can you tell the difference between rigged demolition and structural failure, both of which result in similiar happenings)

Or that the alleged hijackers we already under (officially and artificially weakened) FBI scrutiny.
for people who were seen on carema and heard on radio, thats more than "alleged" if you ask me.

Or that the Aug 6 PDB pretty much laid out UBL's plans.....
(Mein Kampf was availabile for years and spelled it out alot more clearer, but very few listened until it was too late, anf of course the memo itself states that UBL is the one planning 9/11!)

[SteppingRazor]

23. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

Popular Mechanics did a great article dispelling nearly every major MIHOP claim a couple of months ago. I gotta have a link around here somewhere...

Ah! Here ya go.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

[Al-CIAda]

25. Chertoff's nephews report? Oh, ok....

The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
Testimony of Sentor Dayton and an interview with Dr. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret. USAF) by Micheal Kane. He discusses the war games planned that very morning at the exact time the event occured.
Powerful 15 min....must see imho

http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-08-04/dayton.html

[JackRiddler]

26. Pop Mech

took on a bunch of strawmen.

Their treatment of the NORAD claims was particularly odious, complete with a lie that there had been no interception attempts in the previous years (when in fact there had been 67 just in nine months).

Here's the Pop Mech debunking's best debunking:
Jim Hoffmann
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

[Endangered Specie]

30. I believe SNOPES has one on the pentagon.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[JackRiddler]

24. strawman argument

"The pod" is the province of a tiny, late-comer fringe to the 9/11 Truth movement who get play mainly thanks to the need for a strawman among would-be debunkers.

The evidence for 9/11 as inside job (and never mind the acronyms, since letting it happen "on purpose" is equivalent to "making it happen") is far greater than the pack of contradictions, gaping holes and lies presented as the Official Conspiracy Theory by the likes of the 9/11 Commission. You want the real evidence, not the "poison pills," go check out:

www.Justicefor911.org (you have to read the whole complaint)
www.911Truth.org

See ya!

[Endangered Specie]

28. The whole 9/11 truth movement is a tiny fringe!

(less than 8000 signatures) lol... I cant count how many 'pod' threads Ive seen in the 9/11 forum.

Btw, the names of those websites alone are designed to appeal to emotion, "Truth" and "Justice" are hardly words you will find in any serious engineering or science work.

[JackRiddler]

31. A tiny fringe?

That happens to encompass half of all New Yorkers? Come over here and talk with people, you will discover that the Zogby poll results were no anomaly:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040830120349841

Half of New Yorkers Believe U.S. Leaders†Had†
Foreknowledge of Impending 9/11†Attacks and†
"Consciously Failed" To Act;

66% Call For New†Probe of Unanswered†Questions
by Congress†or New York's†Attorney General,
New Zogby†International†Poll Reveals

You are confusing the media/govt. line ("fringe element") with reality. If they don't cover it, it must not exist, right?

What if this same set of questions as from the Zogby poll were held for the whole country? You think it would be any less than 20 percent saying it was an inside job?

And how do you think it will shake out in the rest of the world? Have you travelled lately and asked people what they think about 9/11?

Of course, numbers do not make for truth. Why don't you come up with arguments to counter what's offered on that site? In the complaint, that is...

Justicefor911.org

[LiberalAndProud]

32. My Hop? Never heard of it.

/nt