I need a good counter quote... a repugs quoted me this ..

[southernleftylady]

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged." Abraham Lincoln

[nickgutierrez]

1. "Those who would sacrifice liberty...

...to gain a little security deserve neither liberty nor security." (Probably not the exact quote) - Ben Franklin

[Coexist]

20. here is the quote - I have it on my fridge!

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both".

[veteran_for_peace]

2. Use this quote

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[democracyindanger]

3. "Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever

he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure...."

- Abraham Lincoln, criticizing Polk's 'preemptive' invasion of Mexico

[lectrobyte]

4. I'd ask them about *'s "Bring it on" crack and why he hasn't been arrested

exiled or hanged yet...

[Stirk]

5. Well! I guess we should've been rid of all these Republicans during

Kosovo then, eh?

[PATRICK]

6. Who has done more damage to

the military, national security, troop saftey and morale than the chickenhawks who abrogated ALL power over this war unto themselves? The Democrats are to be faulted in so much as they trusted and went along with the real criminals- the Bush White House. And should say so. This sword cuts the other way sharper- when wielded.

[MooPie]

7. Go here.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo57.html

[jimshoes]

8. Repeat this line to him...

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government",

Ask him if he recognizes it.

[walldude]

9. Here's a counter..

Uh, when and where did Lincoln say this? Can you prove it? Smells like a bullshit quote to me...

[AllegroRondo]

14. If you google it,

that phrase is all over conservative websites and message boards

but not a single hit from a 'famous quotes' or history page.

hmmmmm.

[AllegroRondo]

21. You're right, its BULLSHIT

quotationspage.com - NOTHING
brainyquote.com - NOTHING
famous-quotations.com - NOTHING
www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/quotes.html - NOTHING
www.quotationreference.com - NOTHING


call him on it. Its a fake quote.
Challenge him to find one reference to it in a biography or 'famous quotations' website.

[understandinglife]

10. "Presidents who start illegal wars, authorize torture and kill countless

... human beings, including our brave soldiers, should be sent to jail for the remainder of their lives."

Members of Congress, from left to right, Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), and Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) head down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House, June 16, to deliver petitions demanding President Bush tell the truth on Downing Street Memo evidence that he lied to sell the Iraq war to the American people. http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/7266/1/275/

"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - One question, my fellow Americans, "Why is Bush not already in jail?"

[NewJeffCT]

11. somebody had a bunch of quotes from Republicans about Bosnia

I have no idea who it was, though. It was on DU last year - somebody even had it as their sig line.

[underpants]

12. “We can support our troops without supporting the president”

-Trent Lott

oh and BTW ask this person to find the word "troop" or "troops" in what Durbin said

[kliljedahl]

13. This from TR

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Patriotism means to stand by the country, it does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official". - Theodore Roosevelt


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Vickers]

15. "Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous..."

"...of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."

William O. Douglas

[NewJeffCT]

16. Tom DeLay on Bosnia

"The President now needs to show leadership, consistently and with great clarity, from devising an exit strategy to developing favorable rules of engagement, from defining the criteria of success to detailing the timetables of operations. We have learned the hard way in this country that muddled military missions lacking clear leadership hurt our national credibility while putting our troops in harm's way."

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/10/edi04072.html

[NewJeffCT]

More DeLay on Bosnia

“This is war.” Washington Post, 4/14/99

“The Kosovo operation is different and oxymoronic. It is a ‘peace war’ waged by ‘peace hawks’ pursuing a dovish social agenda. Peace hawks are global idealists and former anti-war activists, including the youthful Bill Clinton.” Floor Statement, 4/15/99

“Instead of sending in ground troops, we should pull out the forces we now have in the region. Mr. Speaker, I do not think we should send ground troops to Kosovo and I do not think we should be bombing in the Balkans, and I do not think that NATO should be destroyed by changing its mission into a humanitarian invasion force.” Floor Statement, 4/28/99

http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/002434.html

[NewJeffCT]

18. More DeLay on Bosnia

“This is war.” Washington Post, 4/14/99

“The Kosovo operation is different and oxymoronic. It is a ‘peace war’ waged by ‘peace hawks’ pursuing a dovish social agenda. Peace hawks are global idealists and former anti-war activists, including the youthful Bill Clinton.” Floor Statement, 4/15/99

“Instead of sending in ground troops, we should pull out the forces we now have in the region. Mr. Speaker, I do not think we should send ground troops to Kosovo and I do not think we should be bombing in the Balkans, and I do not think that NATO should be destroyed by changing its mission into a humanitarian invasion force.” Floor Statement, 4/28/99

http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/002434.html

[NewJeffCT]

22. Phil Gramm

Texas Sen. Phil Gramm insisted that the Kosovo war "should not have been fought the President never made a convincing case for putting the lives of Americans at risk in a war where we have no vital national interest at stake."

http://slate.msn.com/id/35721/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Here's one that should stupify the bird brain.

"Such banal striving is most prodigally on display in the United States, where superficiality amounts to a national disease." H.L. Mencken

[sinkingfeeling]

19. You might want to read this.....It's about that very quote which is big

with the GOP and Bushie fans right now.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/archives/005474.html

[dogday]

23. It is the duty and the right of every citizen in

this country to ask questions of this administration. The administration represents the collective people of this country or at least it used to. These congressmen are the ones that attend funerals and talk to the families. The big wheels never have to deal with death and it affects these congressmen...

[yella_dawg]

24. Perfect response.

"Fuck you, you brainwashed piece of shit." -- yella_dawg

[gratuitous]

26. Dammit, you took my quote!

Oh well.

[ComerPerro]

25. You mean like Delay and the Republicans did in the nineties?

[salin]

27. They don't follow history - they just make stuff up.

Get a citation from something that isn't a rightwing current (cause they didn't need to make up the quote five years ago) website.

It sorta falls into "We know that Saddam tried to acquire uranium from... *dramatic pause* Africa" in an address to the US public (was it 2003 SOTU?) - bush and his speech writers (and his NSA staff) were told that this was not known and the "evidence" was likely fraudulent... so it was made up and he just repeated it. To get his "war on"

[MissWaverly]

28. quote on presidential criticism from Republican President

Presidential Criticism

Recently several people have written to ask us about a viewpoint TR had on criticism of the presidency. This quote was part of an editorial he wrote for the "Kansas City Star" durning World War I.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

[ET Awful]

29. Abe Lincoln also said

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."

and, another great Lincoln quote . . . .

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel."

[applegrove]

30. Slavery was an abomination and made your country one fucked up

place. Raping, kidnapping people for 80 years each, torturing, starving, killing, unpaid child labor, genocide, forced lack of education, stealing, whipping, assaulting, rape of children, selling humans, branding humans, persecution, are not something that should ever be tolerated, psychological stalking and abuse too. The Civil war was a big & important war. Like WWII. Even though for some it wasn't so much about slavery as beating back the uppityness of the South for members of congress (not everyone was an abolutionist)... you cannot have sympathy for monsters who did this to people over 10 generations in a row.