Sinking Ships

[kiki]

Wasn't sure whether to post this, mainly because I didn't like the way some of the drawings turned out, but with all the talk about 9/11 I thought "what the heck". I'm due to have this published in a UK magazine next month; feedback appreciated.

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[baldguy]

1. .

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[kliljedahl]

2. WOW!!! Nice work

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[mopaul]

3. beautiful

[ms liberty]

4. This is excellent! A Question...

On the last panel on R, is there anything except the L hand box saying "On 11 Sept. etc."? I'm not seeing the whole panel, only about 3/4. Also, is the map on 3rd panel on R supposed to be upside down?

I really like this, thanks for sharing it with us!

[scarletlib]

5. Wow!

Explains in simple graphics what probably really happened. I am a LIHOP person. They knew something was coming and they let it happen so they could have their nasty little wars, raid the treasury and otherwise despoil and destroy this country and the planet.

[kiki]

6. Thanks all...

No, there's nothing else in the last panel; the script is the same as for the first.

The upside-down map was used in an attempt to get the layout of the frame to emulate the layout on p1, frames 2 and 4. Also, you can get these upside-down maps that have the dimensions of countries displayed without spherical distortion (or something), in an attempt to create a more socio-politically neutral view of the earth... after all, there's no "up" in space, so the fact that Europe, the US etc are "above" Africa, China etc on the Atlas is by design rather than by nature.

For those interested in the artwork, I used a lot of traced photographs or half-tracing on this strip; it's a legitimate artistic technique, so stop looking at me like that. I usually ended up having to look at other photographs to work oyut structure and detail, as well as "translating" everything into black, white and grey... it wasn't as easy as I thought and was incredibly boring to do. Overall I think of this strip as more of a "graphic design" project than a "pure" illustration job.

Scarletlib, if I'm honest I'm totally MIHOP, but with this I think I stuck to quite down-to-earth stuff so as not to scare people off... in fact, I've only used precedents and evidence from BEFORE the event happened. Heaven knows what people might think if they knew about all the dirty little secrets that started cropping up afterwards.

[scarletlib]

7. I wanted to give this another kick for people to see

Is there a way to edit your title to let people know it's a "cartoon" and you want their feedback?

I think you would get more people looking and commenting if you could do that.

[Independent_Liberal]

8. Cool!

Very good work!

[Monkie]

9. perfect!just the right information to provoke thought..

without going into tin-foil territory,my compliments.
The graphics don't distract from the message and its clever how the message is all the clearer for being condensed into the comicbook format

[julianer]

10. Which magazine?

I'll look out for it.

[JohnyCanuck]

11. Sep 11 was an excuse to launch a pre-planned war on Afghanistan

According to several British newspapers, the U.S. was planning military action against Afghanistan well before September 11.

In an interview with the BBC, Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani diplomat and foreign secretary, said that he was told by senior American officials in mid-July that the U.S. was already planning an attack against Afghanistan. He received this information at a UN sponsored conference on Afghanistan in Berlin. This would seem to corroborate the “carpet of gold, carpet of bombs” speech claimed by the French authors. According to the BBC, Mr. Naik claimed that the U.S. objective was to capture bin Laden and install a moderate, Western-friendly government in Afghanistan. He added that the attack would take place from bases in Tajikistan, where military advisors were already in place, and that it would occur by mid-October at the latest.

The presence of the military in Central Asia is confirmed by the British newspaper The Guardian. According to it, a U.S. department of defense official, Dr. Jeffrey Starr, visited Tajikistan in January, and U.S. Rangers were training special troops in Kyrgyzstan. The head of the current Afghan war, General Tommy Franks, visited Dushanbe on May 16, 2001, calling Tajikistan “a strategically significant country.”

This does not, by itself, indicate any guilt. It is entirely possible that the United States had tired of bin Laden’s games, and decided to eliminate the danger once and for all. It is possible bin Laden got wind of this and decided to launch a preemptive strike. It would be an amazing coincidence, however, if the U.S. had planned to attack Afghanistan last October no matter what, and then terrorists loyal to bin Laden committed the worst terrorist atrocity in world history upon New York City only one month prior to the scheduled assault. A pre-emptive strike? Perhaps. But the pilots had been training at U.S. flight schools for more than a year by that time.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/04-19-02_Molson_-_...
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[driver8]

12. Excellent work!! I like the drawings and the message...

Very impressive...puts things into perspective nicely.

[bonzotex]

13. Very Nice,

Impressive, Thank you!

[frictionlessO]

14. Wow.you just earned a brand new fan! (and a few others it seems!,) Nom'd!

Post a link when it gets published please, and is this going to be a running series?

Really, you should do books of this stuff if you can.

Talent and skill out the wazoo!

:headbang: :yourock: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[hootinholler]

15. Outstanding...

My nits have been picked by others. Simple and cogent, nice balance.

Kicked and rec'd.

-Hoot

[helderheid]

16. excellent!!

[alfredo]

17. Excellent work. Hey, I hate my photographs, and I bet you are

to some degree, the same about your work. It is good to be critical of your own work, but you must understand, we see it through different eyes, eyes that do not have the same stake in the work. I find nothing in your work to criticize. It is very professional and compelling. It is in league with the best of Marvel and other top illustrated magazines.

[Senior citizen]

18. Kick. n/t

:kick:

[kittenpants]

19. that's incredible & chilling.

I'm offically a fan. I have no suggestions, sorry! I like it as is. btw, my cat's name is Kiki--I had no idea she was so talented!

[IdaBriggs]

20. Amazing! Recommended! nt

[kiki]

21. Wow.

The most sincere thanks I can muster for all comments and recommendations... you've made a previously pissed-off, hung-over sub-editor who's just shlepped halfway across London and back to do work on a beautiful Sunday, very happy.

JohnnyCanuck, there's a quote from a military analyst about how the invasion of Afghanistan should've taken three months to prepare, but magically only took one. Guess it was just "good luck" that we had all those warships in the area...

The magazine it's going to be published in (and which I've been working on today) is called BULB. It's a sort of sister magazine to New Internationalist, operating out of their offices in Oxford (although it's about to relocate to London); kind of like New Internationalist for teens and young adults. It is run as a not-for-profit collective. As well as a wealth of leftist articles on everything from eco-conscious surfers to media manipulation, they've managed to get interviews or contributions out of such famous names as Beck, Faithless, Queens of the Stone Age, John Pilger, Benjamin Zepheniah and Mark Thomas. Unfortunately, I don't think they ship to the US at the moment, but will hopefully do so soon. Go to www.bulbmag.com to find out more.

[Beam Me Up]

22. Excellent work. Why no signature, date and copy right?

I recommend you brand the things you do either with an actual signature or a made up one that is consistent through time.

I'm a MIHOPer, too. Four hijacked aircraft airborne for half hour to an hour and not one of them confronted by military? NO WAY. Three towers falling straight down all on the same day due to fires that had already mostly burned themselves out? NO WAY.

One could go on and on but clearly 9/11 was an inside job--from within the national security state apparatus. The question is, NOW what are we going to do about it? We are ALL IN DANGER so long as these madmen are in control of our government and our national security.

[Taxloss]

23. Extraordinarily beautiful. Really excellent.

Reminded me of Warren Ellis. Great stuff.

[suffragette]

24. stunning work

Thanks for sharing this with us.

[Taxloss]

25. Kickity kick.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. Very nicely done!

[spuddonna]

27. Absolutely beautiful illustrations and excellent content!!

I didn't see the end of the last panels - my non-IE browser might have to do with that - so I didn't see any copywrite or sig - make sure you put them up there before someone steals this amazing work!! :)

Thank you so much for a wonderful, thought provoking piece of work! Art is a powerful engine for the truth, and that is why the Republicans are always trying to dismantle the NEA and PBS. They don't want to inform the sheeple! :)

[kiki]

28. Thanks again y'all...

Hmmm, I never sign my work... I'll be credited on another page of the magazine, but I didn't think of people stealing it if I put it online. It seems it's too late to change it now. Oh well... just let me know if you see anyone who doesn't call themself 'kiki' taking credit for it...

[bleever]

29. Nicely done.

:thumbsup:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

30. Damn fine work, Kiki...

Keep it up. Well done.

[leftchick]

31. Excellent and recommended!

brilliant and chilling. What this MIHOPer wants to see more of. Thank You!

:)

[Mich Otter]

32. When did the lying start in this administration?

-When did the lying start? We know Bush and Cheney were telling lies during the campaigns and have continued to lie ever since.
-What have they lied about? We know the neo-Cons have been planning all along to attack Iraq. The attack was a major part of the Project for the New American Century's agenda. Almost everyone associated with PNAC made it into the Bush administration.
-How important to this administration was it that America get attacked? Without an attack on American soil, this administration would not have been given the unprecedented powers they received.
-Have they told the truth about anything? It is not in their nature to tell the truth. They are so focused on achieving their goals, nothing else matters to them.
-Would they be willing to let thousands get killed to achieve their agenda? We have killed many thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan. Would a few thousand in New York matter to them? Other than for some memorable photo ops?
-Why have so many of the Democrats supported this lying administration in their agenda? This scares me think about it. Are they all in this together?

[Inland]

33. I believe the first Bush candidacy was based on lies.

And I think his supporters knew that Bush was trying to sell a bill of goods and be a liar. They all just thought that Bush was lying to the OTHER guy.

They all just thought that telling a lie was necessary to get past the liberal media and do what's RIGHT for the country over popular opposition.

So everyone who thought there was a piece of Bush to like--the christian right, the anti abortionists, the neocons, big business, antigovernment wackos--all pretended like Bush was the most honorable guy in the room. He said that the tax cuts were going to help the poor most, that he was a compassionate conservative, that the tax cuts would increase revenues, that he was environmentally sound, and all the backers feels like they are getting the wink on their issues. Yes, they thought bush was lying for them.

But eventually we learn Bush lies for himself. He doesn't realize that the conservatives were only going to be complicit as long as he was delivering the loot. The anti abortionist and theocrats are still there, pretending he is Godly and not a liar, because they hope he can lie his way to a supreme court packed with radical reactionaries. Everyone else is finding out that Bush wasn't just lying to the OTHER guy. EVeryone else isn't willing to pretend to believe him anymore.

[sellitman]

34. The lying started when Barbara told Sr she was on the pill.

:rofl:

[staticstopper]

35. kick

[Hatalles]

36. Can these be shrunk and printed out like Chick tracts?

That'd be great.

[w8liftinglady]

37. What talent!

I showed this to a couple of like-minded co-workers,and they were blown away.Let us know when you are published,and how we can get a copy...great work...

[BamaBecky]

38. Just Incrediable...I have to figure out how to print this! ..n/t

[Miss Chybil]

39. Speechless. Nice job. nt

[kimpossible]

40. Chilling!

And very effective.

[Nostradammit]

41. Excellent work!!

I say, well done, well done indeed -

The only suggestion I might have is that the text boxes could use a tad more gutter. Maybe if the font weren't so extended?

Just a thought...

Beautiful work.

[Tesla]

42. Great job!!!

I hope this gets published soon!!!

[kiki]

43. Sounding like a broken record... but thanks again...

BamaBecky, if you PM me your email address, I can send you full-sized versions for printing.

Nostradammit, I agree about the gutters on the caption boxes...

[travbailey]

48. Kiwi have you considered graphic novels on forgotten wars?

Have you consideded writing graphic novels on forgotten wars?

A simple graphic novel is the only way many ignorant Americans will ever learn history
(49% of American adults have not read a book in the past year)

[travbailey]

44. More lies that galvanized Americans to go to war

which, more than any other, consolidated public and congressional approval for the 1991 Gulf war. We recall the horrifying stories, incessantly repeated, of babies in Kuwaiti hospitals ripped out of their incubators and left to die while the Iraqis shipped the incubators back to Baghdad - 312 babies, we were told.

The story was brought to public attention by Nayirah, a 15-year-old 'nurse' who, it turned out later, was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family. Nayirah had been tutored and rehearsed by the Hill & Knowlton PR agency (which in turn received $14 million from the American government for their work in promoting the war). Her story was entirely discredited within weeks but by then its purpose had been served: it had created an outraged and emotional mindset within America which overwhelmed rational discussion.

--Lessons in How to Lie About Iraq August 17, 2003 by the Observer/UK

--

WORLD WAR I

Sinking of ocean linear by German U-boat destined for England. The government lied that the ocean linear did not have weapons on the ship.

--
THE PHILIPPINE WAR 1899-1903

The American military was attempting to draw Filipino fire with provocative actions on hotly disputed mesa outside of Manila in 1899. General Otis chose to interpret local firing, mostly by eager American volunteers, as a full scale enemy offensive when in fact the only advance that evening had been made by his own troops. There were no serious causalities in the initial encounters on the Tonkin (in Vietnam) or the Philippine mesa, real or manufactured, so the American military could have chosen to interpret both episodes as minor incidents in the sobering light of the following day. Clearly American officers wanted to escalate the fighting for which they were well prepared. (Page 268) A series of orders and maneuvers by Otis during the final three weeks of peace (in the occupation of the Philippines), indicate that Otis may have planned and provoked the war. (Page 59) Otis continued to look for the appropriate sensitive spot to provoke his war. (Page 59-60) February 4, 1899 was the ideal day to begin the war, as the leading officers in the Philippine Army were scheduled to attend a formal celebration in Malolos, followed by a lavish ball that would go on until early hours of the next day. By his own admission, Otis raised the stakes...by not only instructing but to order his sentries to fire on any intruders. Early in the evening were approached by four Filipino soldiers, now believed to be drunk and unarmed, For the next six hours, overeager volunteers unleashed fusillade after fusillade at the Filipino positions, long after darkness prevented them from seeing what they were firing at. General Macarthur confessed that his troops did the first firing . Three regular officers who had been on the scene made it clear that not only did the American volunteers fire first, but they also did most of the shooting, as relatively few shoots were returned by the Filipinos. (Page 60-61)

--Benevolent Assimilation: The American Conquest of the Philippines, 1899-1903


--

Zinn says that every war is accompanied by lies to get the public into the war.

[travbailey]

45. correction

The book Weapons of Mass Deception explains a story...which, more than any other, consolidated public and congressional approval for the 1991 Gulf war. We recall the horrifying stories, incessantly repeated, of babies in Kuwaiti hospitals ripped out of their incubators and left to die while the Iraqis shipped the incubators back to Baghdad - 312 babies, we were told.

[travbailey]

46. more depth on the Spanish American war

SPANISH AMERICAN WAR

There was an outbreak of popular rebellions in Cuba and Philippines against Spanish rule...William Randolph Hearst's , Joseph Pulitzer and other publishers gave great play to the uprising in Cuba...

In one incident Hearst sent the noted artist Frederic Remington to Cuba to provide sketches for American newspaper readers of the revolution. When the disillusioned Remington wired Hearst "Everything quiet. No trouble here. There will be no war. I wish to return." Hearst shot back the notorious reply, "Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I will furnish the war."

...In October 1897 Theodore Roosevelt, at that time Assistant Secretary of the Navy in the administration of President William McKinley, sent a wire to American Admiral George Dewey in the far east advising him to prepare for an attack on the Spanish fleet in the Philippines pending developments in Cuba.

When the Battleship Maine arrived in Havana, Cuba on January 25 1898, ostensibly as a gesture of goodwill, relations between Spain and the United States were already under severe strain.

Then, on February 15, just as the Maine prepared to leave Havana, a huge explosion tore apart the ship. Two officers and 266 enlisted men out of the 354-man crew died. The Spanish helped rescue the survivors and expressed shock at the tragedy.

To this day no one knows for sure what caused the explosion. The Spanish certainly had no motive for provoking a war given the huge military and industrial preponderance of the United States.

Without one shred of evidence the American press assumed the Spanish were to blame. When Hearst heard the news of the explosion he declared, "This means war." The New York Journal carried a headline reading, "The War Ship Maine Was Split In Two By An Enemy's Secret Infernal Machine." The front page carried a drawing of the ship riding atop mines and showed wires leading to a Spanish fort guarding the harbor.

A commission hastily assembled by the United States concluded that a mine had indeed destroyed the ship. The assumption, though not explicitly stated, was that the Spanish were responsible.

The slogan "Remember the Maine" became the battle cry of US militarists. The United States issued a series of ultimatums, demanding that Spain virtually cede sovereignty over Cuba. Despite the fact that Spain capitulated to most American demands, McKinley asked for and received authorization for the use of military force from Congress. On April 23 Congress adopted a resolution declaring that a state of war existed with Spain.

Within months the Spanish were defeated. The United States obtained virtually all of Spain's remaining colonies, including Cuba and the Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico. The United States next turned its military against its supposed allies, the Philippine insurrectionists. After crushing the Philippine revolutionary movement the United States established a brutal colonial administration to rival the Spaniards.

--The press and US militarism -- a lesson from history
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/aug1998/main-a21.shtml

[travbailey]

47. MORE CORRECTIONS democratic undergound doesnt recognize square "("

democratic undergound doesnt recognize square "(" and erases everything between these brackets, so here is the full excerpt of the Philippine war:

THE PHILIPPINE WAR 1899-1903

The American military was attempting to draw Filipino fire with provocative actions on hotly disputed mesa outside of Manila in 1899. General Otis chose to interpret local firing, mostly by eager American volunteers, as a full scale enemy offensive when in fact the only advance that evening had been made by his own troops. There were no serious causalities in the initial encounters on the Tonkin (in Vietnam) or the Philippine mesa, real or manufactured, so the American military could have chosen to interpret both episodes as minor incidents in the sobering light of the following day. Clearly American officers wanted to escalate the fighting for which they were well prepared. (Page 268) A series of orders and maneuvers by Otis during the final three weeks of peace (in the occupation of the Philippines), indicate that Otis may have planned and provoked the war. (Page 59) Otis continued to look for the appropriate sensitive spot to provoke his war. (Page 59-60) February 4, 1899 was the ideal day to begin the war, as the leading officers in the Philippine Army were scheduled to attend a formal celebration in Malolos, followed by a lavish ball that would go on until early hours of the next day. By his own admission, Otis raised the stakes...by not only instructing (his men to take the disputed post) but to order his sentries to fire on any intruders. Early in the evening (two privates) were approached by four Filipino soldiers, now believed to be drunk and unarmed, (the American soldiers killed all four) For the next six hours, overeager volunteers unleashed fusillade after fusillade at the Filipino positions, long after darkness prevented them from seeing what they were firing at. General Macarthur (later) confessed that his troops did the first firing (which began the war). Three regular officers who had been on the scene made it clear that not only did the American volunteers fire first, but they also did most of the shooting, as relatively few shoots were returned by the Filipinos. (Page 60-61)

--Benevolent Assimilation: The American Conquest of the Philippines, 1899-1903

[Zorbuddha]

55. "...Secret Infernal Machine."

They're still playing the "Secret Infernal Machine" card.

Be afraid...be very afraid.

Boo!

"Better to kill them over there than over here."

"Over there, over there..."

[ewagner]

49. Subtle but important message here

Anybody who has ever implied that LIHOP or MIHOP was involved with Sept 11, has been branded a "conspiracy NUT" or, more kindly, Conspiracy Theorist.

But history, more accurately, the truth, shows us that "Remember the Maine" and the "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" were manufactured incidents designed to motivate the country to war for less than honest reasons.

Subtly, MIHOP and LIHOP aren't so outrageous anymore. The Spanish-American War and Viet Nam were, in a sense, LIHOP or MIHOP in their own way.

[kiki]

51. Exactly...

The main reaction that people always fall back on when I start going on abhout MIHOP is basically "they've never done anything like that before", which (a) is no reason why they wouldn't start now, and (b) isn't even true. The story was originally going to be a full-on MIHOP rant - "pulling" buildings, vanishing plane wreckage, the works - but then I decided to focus on precedents for the 9/11 conspiracy, to show that yes, powerful governments have done this shit before, and in fact do it all the time if one cares to do a little research.

[ewagner]

52. It's good to focus

on one idea at a time....

great work btw :applause: :applause: :applause:

[merh]

50. Wow is right.

Nice work! :thumbsup:

[Lorien]

53. Beautiful; clear, concise, great use of composition and

light...are you an American artist or are you British? Just wondering if I ever met you at an NCS event (I've come to them with Jeff Smith, creator of "Bone").

:thumbsup: and recommended!

[kiki]

54. I'm from the UK...

...but I don't particularly go for UK artists... my favourite creators include Los Bros Hernandez, Yukito Kishiro, and - although I'm nervous about saying it round here :) - that eccentric chap Dave Sim.

I'm currently re-reading From Hell after seeing that stupid movie of it on TV last night... Johnny and Heather's English accents were the funniest thing I've heard in years.

[freedomburn]

59. Well I just have to say that I agree with you on Los Bros Hernandez

"...my favourite creators include Los Bros Hernandez,"

Love and Rockets is arguably the best comic ever created IMHO.

Magie + Hopey forever!!!

[freedomburn]

64. I can't resist. These guys are so damn good. Feast your eyes.

Brings back some big memories. Remember "The Death of Speedy Ortiz"? What a classic! I used to have every book many years ago. It's a shame I left them at my aunt's house back in the day and my cousins got into them.

Hopey y Maggie


Izzy, Maggie, Hopey and Penny - Music for Mechanics


Now go buy their comics! Cuz Jaime and Gilbert freakin' rock, man!

[kiki]

68. I know it's a cliche...

...to say that Jaime is the better artist, and Gilbert the better writer, but... as was the case for many of my generation, Jaime's style was so instantly, accesibly beautiful that it became a huge influence, and I'm only recently realising the immense depth it also has to it. While Gilbert's style could be considered an acquired taste, once you get into it, nothing else will do.

And while I love Jaime's writing (again, it has depth that I didn't see when I was younger), Poison River is my personal favourite work in any medium, ever.

[freedomburn]

71. No, I agree with your comments. Jaime's style just melds right

with all of the Archie and superhero comics we all read as kids. It is so easy to like. And the harder edge of the characters hits home juxtaposed with the very familiar Archie-like straight, clean lines and checkered or crossed lines patterns. Having this art style with the main characters in a lesbian relationship that deals with real-life issues of relationships with depth and sensitivity is just too good. The art is instantly likable, but it's the stories and writing that draw you in and make you love them.

Gilbert's Palomar stories may actually be superior, I agree again. Even though the art is not as immediately accessible to my eyes, or the eyes of readers of my generation, the art is still excellent. And the stories of life in the poor Mexican village are so touching that they ring true, even with the mysticism and outlandish stories of brujas (witches) and such. I still love all the characters as though they were real-life old friends - they were so well-written and well-drawn. In fact they reminded my of a lot of my real-life friends back in the day when I lived in Santa Cruz. I hear that they may finally revive the series. ::crosses fingers::

[kiki]

72. I always say

that Gilbert is the most "painterly" of all comic artists - Picasso figures on Van Gogh backgrounds... all of modernism is in there somewhere. The recent issues of L&R show how well Jaime does "dark"... everything is bathed in that suburban American sunlight, until the shadows start creeping in from the edges...

The last issue of L&R apparently ended with Gato and Sergio dying in a car wreck; on the back cover was an illustration of the pair walking with other Palomarians that have passed into legend such as Toco and Tonantzin. The illustration was dated 1991; which would imply that Gilbert planned the storyline more than 10 years in advance!

[freedomburn]

73. I remember that car crash.

I think Israel and another character were in the car with them too. IIRC Yes, it is amazing that they seem to have a real plan and a method to their art. They don't need to muck it up by producing what won't be as good or water down what is already close to perfection just to make a buck. I do hope they will bring them all back in the future. I could understand if they didn't, but I still say it would be a bloody shame. They so obviously love drawing these charcters.

Kiki your art reminds me more than a bit of the Boondocks guy. Do you recongnize this reference? He gets a 10 in my book, too, but I don't know his name. I know he is black and I have seen him speak. He is my kind of radical, and he absolutely hates Condoleezza Rice for being such a sellout. He is an incredible artist and his the looks on his characters' faces make me crack up and LOL sometimes.

[kiki]

67. Ah, La Perla...

I'm afraid I was one of those teenage dorks who fell in love with a cartoon character; and Jaime still draws the best women on the planet...

[Lorien]

77. Dave Sim???

Yeah, "eccentric" is one word for him, lol! He has a weird fixation with my friend Jeff and has even threatened to kill him and his wife Vijaya (Dave hates strong women).Makes Rush Limbaugh seem almost moderate by comparison-and he wasn't always that way. We STILL don't know what happened to him! :shrug:

[kiki]

79. Well,

I think the guy would admit to having, shall we say, an unusual brain. As he's said himself, he was diagnosed with borderline schizophrenia around age 18, and hasn't been back to the doctor since, but doesn't imagine it's got any better on its own. It's the fact that he admits this, but has little tolerance for people who don't think the way he does - ie, everybody on the planet - which turns me off him a bit.

But he makes some good points, is inhumanly perceptive, and can tell a story like nobody else.

[LongTomH]

56. Put this on a blog or website......

so I can send the URL to my friends!:yourock:

[Zorbuddha]

58. I agree, send it to HuffPo

or something like that.

[kiki]

70. Wouldn't know how...

Use this link (add http:// at start)

img104.echo.cx/img104/8277/sinkingships7rk.jpg

[Richard Steele]

57. That's just BEAUTIFULLY done!

[wideopen]

60. Fabulous!! thank you !

[natrat]

61. Shagadelic baby !!!!

[alfredo]

62. do protect your work. You can do it like Hugh Haynie

of the Courier-Journal. He would hide names in the drawing, usually his wife's name, Lois. You could hide Kiki in the folds of the pilot's coat or in the smoke in the last frame.

You can do your copyright in that fashion, and attract viewers who will search your work to find the copyright's location.

Not everyone is honest, so do protect your work. Remember the story of the cabbage patch dolls.


From the Nixon years.

[Richardo]

63. The map is upside down...

...other than that, great!

[freedomburn]

66. The map is upside down intentionally. This is excellent work btw!!!

[Richardo]

76. Hm. I don't get it then.

But still good stuff.

[freedomburn]

78. From the artist:

The upside-down map was used in an attempt to get the layout of the frame to emulate the layout on p1, frames 2 and 4. Also, you can get these upside-down maps that have the dimensions of countries displayed without spherical distortion (or something), in an attempt to create a more socio-politically neutral view of the earth... after all, there's no "up" in space, so the fact that Europe, the US etc are "above" Africa, China etc on the Atlas is by design rather than by nature.

For those interested in the artwork, I used a lot of traced photographs or half-tracing on this strip; it's a legitimate artistic technique, so stop looking at me like that. I usually ended up having to look at other photographs to work oyut structure and detail, as well as "translating" everything into black, white and grey... it wasn't as easy as I thought and was incredibly boring to do. Overall I think of this strip as more of a "graphic design" project than a "pure" illustration job.

[linazelle]

65. The file was so big, it was hard to read on the computer, but

it's great. I just wish it were smaller so I could print and distribute it. It's a great educational tool. People don't know a lot of this stuff. The pictures only help to drive home the points--especially the one about invading Afghanistan.

A few questions:

1) John O'Neill taking a job at the WTC--seems more like a "chance" occurrence that he was there vs. something planned. Did somebody high up offer him that post at that location? There's a missing link with that IMHO.

2) I don't know if it's my computer or not, but it might be nice if they were in chronological order.

3) "Sinking ships" is a good title. I like a title like "the story line" since what "they told us" vs. the truth is your overriding theme.


Still, EXCELLENT/SUPERB work. (I just have to add my .02 that's all :hi:)

[kiki]

69. John O'Neill's death is the weakest point, I guess...

Although it's obviously quite incriminating that Bushco was hindering his investigations in the months leading up to the attack that THEY KNEW was going to happen, the fact that he went to work at the WTC and died there could be coincidence - although if I'm honest, I'd say that stinks a little too. I'd like to know the exact details of how he came to take a job there.

I really put him in because I thought his story was a very poignant and sad chapter of 9/11, and people ought to know about him. He sounded like an OK guy.

And they are more or less in chronological order. You should be reading down, one page after the other (the pages are separated by a black line). Frames 5 and 6 (given that I used the May 2001 date for Northwoods - the date it made the news) were chronologically switched round for layout reasons.

[freedomburn]

74. The John O'Neal angle stinks to high heaven.

He was doing more to light a fire under the intelligence community about UBL then anyone else. He was running around with his hair on fire for years trying to warn people, and he knew more about the inner workings of Al Qaida and UBL then just about anyone in the world. It is just too damn coincidental that he died at the WTC a couple of days after taking his new job there as security chief. He was a thorn in many peoples' sides for a long time. There is a lot of smoke there. It's hard to pin down the fire if there is one here, but there is a ton of smoke. The John O'Neal angle is not weak IMHO. It is just hard to prove any conspiracy or intent to eliminate him specifically. Sure, its still possible it was coincidental, but I doubt it. The Sunday night news show 60 Minutes even did a big segment on this guy and all the coincidences to be found here.

[Kurovski]

75. Good history lesson and compelling artwork.

Very effective.

[parhelion]

80. Brilliant work!

Fantastic comic, inspiring enough to make this long-time lurker post a rare reply. The info is precise and thought-provoking, perfect for introducing MIHOP/LIHOP to people unfamiliar with it. I hope you plan to do more like this and I'd love to see this get published in the U.S. I'm sure someone like Alex Jones or Guerilla News Network would be glad to put it up on their website. Thanks for sharing!