Abortion is between a woman and her physician, but psychiatry is

[mondo joe]

everyone's business, apparently, and those physicians just can't be trusted.

At least here on GD.

[DanCa]

1. Is tommy I should keep my mouth shut cruise

Blowing it out of his bazoo again?

[mondo joe]

2. The DU posts about "the medical industry" remind me of freeper posts

about the "abortion industry".

[DanCa]

3. Ah I am having dopamine drops right now

So my brain isn't picking up on nuance. :D Guess I am proving alot of people wrong when they say depression isn't a chemical disorder.

[zippy890]

21. you got that right

disappointing

[LeighAnn]

9. Tom Cruise Rocks

I'm going to a movie theater for the first time since F911 in show of support for Mr. Cruise speaking out against this evil industry. Here's an essay I wrote a while back:

Alternatives to Becoming a Psychologist
http://careerplanning.about.com/cs/occupations/index.htm

For those students considering a career in psychology, and those working in the field who wish to get out, click the link above to discover some alternative career opportunities. Why? Because the United States hands out over 75,000 psychology degrees every year, and it might be a case of "Enough Already!" I'm not very good with the math, but how does that figure up over time, compared to population trends and what-not? I mean, at some point wouldn't it get to where there would be more of "them" than "us"?

It's not just the fact that it's going to be impossible to sustain the market unless we all go crazy, it's that psychology itself is proving to be the biggest failure, if not outright fraud, that was ever perpetrated on the World at Large. Where's the big cure for all of the social ills that was promised in the late 1800's, when psychology and its "experts" were first inflicted on the civilized world? Everything's just gotten worse since mankind found out how important it is to examine "why we feel" the way we do. Great-great grand-dad was too busy chopping wood to spend much time "longing for closure".

Doesn't it bother anyone that Sigmund Freud, the Father of Psychology, was nothing but a rich cocaine addict? Sure, give any intellectual-type an unlimited quantity of cocaine and they are bound to come off with some mind-blowing revelations about life, but does this necessarily make for a better society?

There are plenty of careers that offer comparable financial rewards, several of which involve very little physical labor (a consideration which draws many to the field of psychology in the first place). If you're considering psychology because you desire the chance to help out your fellow man, know that you'll sleep better at night by not wreaking harm on our society by endorsing "expert advice" wrought from corporate-funded research studies, and not drugging America with harmful psychotropic drugs that the Washington Post reports are less effective than placebos.

If you really want to help make society better, become an activist and fight against the kinds of corruption that bleed our citizens of their livelihood and cause misery and suffering for untold millions worldwide.

Reject psychology - rediscover human instinct.

[mondo joe]

10. You could see a Mel Gibson flick while you're at the theatre. He also

thinks his religion belongs in the room with a patient and physician.

[NMMNG]

15. Sure, I'll ditch my BS in Psychology

and up my 18 year career in human services where I've generally had to work more than one job just to survive.

What would you suggest for me to purify my soul, leader of a money grubbing cult?

[steve2470]

24. Give me a break, really

I'm not even going to waste my time replying, point by point, to this indictment. Yeah, let's all go back to the days when you had your head drilled if you heard voices. Or you had demons. Yeah, that's the ticket.

:nuke:

[zippy890]

26. excuse me

you say "psychology itself is proving to be the biggest failure, if not outright fraud that was ever perpetrated on the World at Large"

Ok, lets 'rediscover' the human instinct of the ancient Egyptians who used to bore holes in peoples heads who were mentally ill.

Or - we could 'rediscover' the instinct to exorcize the devil from persons suffering from mental illness.

Hey- how about we cut to the chase and let loose human instinct and burn them at the stake!!


AARRRRRRGGHHHHHHHHH

:nuke:
:wtf:

[Bridget Burke]

28. Wilhelm Wundt is considered the "Father of Psychology"

Freud is the "Father of "Psycholanalysis." And the cocaine thing was an episode in his long life; he died from his addiction to tobacco. Psychologists cannot prescribe drugs--psychiatrists do, since they are also MD's.

Is the psychology field so crowded that you're discouraging competition? How much "physical labor" did writing this little essay expend? By the way, it was impossible to locate on the august website to which I was directed.

How are activists supposed to support themselves? Hint: Most activists have a profession or job on the side.

Did great-great granddad ever go to a movie? If you want to go back to the good old days, why aren't you out chopping wood?

[SoCalDem]

4. I actually QUIT therapy becsuse of my union medical plan

My shrink told me that "since my allowable number of visits" had been reached, he would have to submit a synopsis of my file to the union medical insurance board to determine whether I "needed" more visits.. I told him...no thanks..

The thought of a bunch of people sitting around a table "deciding whether I needed more visits" creeped me out completely. I never went back.

Was I "cured"? Nope.. now I don't trust shrinks either :)

[mondo joe]

7. Respectfully, it's not your provider's fault that he has to get permission

to extend your treatment.

[SoCalDem]

11. I didn't blame my therapist...just didn't continue

He was actually a nice guy:)

[mondo joe]

12. When you wrote "now I don't trust shrinks either" I took it to mean

the one you saw. Sorry if I misunderstood.

[SoCalDem]

13. Trust in the sense, that they could be compelled to send your information

as the only way you could continue with coverage.. I was glad that he told me before he did it, so I could tell him NOT to..

I went for a while on my own dime (to group), but quit that after a while..Even group is pricey when your insurance won't pay.. They actually might have (diagnosis major depression), but I did not want a bunch of bean-counters having a few yuks at lunch over my troubles:)

[mondo joe]

14. Got it. What your case highlights for me is the need to INCREASE access

to mental health services.

[H2O Man]

18. Absolutely right.

This is an example of the trend for insurance companies -- which should never be confused with mental health service providers -- restricting access to therapy. Insurance carriers are attempting to channel "treatment" into prescriptions for medication, which while often beneficial, even necessary .... but even in the cases where medication is required, therapy should be part of the process.

Insurance companies have compromised the public's ability to access the highest quality of individual services. The mental health service providers are in the best position to work with the individual to determine the best form of treatment.

Also, in regard to those who bemoan the fact that mental health treatment doesn't "cure" mental illness .... there are some problems in life that can be easily resolved, while others can be dealt with on an ongoing basis.

[Horse with no Name]

5. I think ANY healthcare decison

including female reproductive, end of life cessation of treatments, psychiatry, et al is a personal choice and responsibility.
Everyone else ought to butt out unless it directly affects them.
I know that many here don't trust the healthcare industry--but by attempting to pass urban legends as truth and third hand horror stories, it doesn't serve any good purpose.
Just my .02 worth.

[LibraLiz1973]

6. I APPLAUD YOU AND YOUR POST!

You are 1,000% right.
I am stunned- STUNNED- that people here are saying what Tom Cruise has done is not only ok, but was actually very enlightened of him.
Cut me a break!!!!!!!!

He literally said there was no such thing as a chemical imbalance... as someone who HAS a chemical imbalance, and refused medication for almost 4 years to treat it, I am offended by his babble. My entire life changed once I stopped reacting to the stigma that goes along with taking an anti-depressant.


People who don't know A DAMN THING ABOUT IT should SHUT UP!! If you want to talk about the fact that children are over medicated, let's discuss. I agree with you. BUT there ARE children who need aderol, ritalin etc. Not EVERY Dr. is out to be a pill pusher. If you think you have a Dr. like that... find a new one!

I am totally disgusted with people who are supportive of Tom's vitriolic attacks. How many people do you think decided not to get help they desperately need in the last few weeks because Tom is out there spouting off about how bad it is? About how what they are feeling & going through isn't "REAL". Sickening.

Women with PPD, who are struggling as it is, are being sent a message by Tom Cruise & anyone who chooses to support (not to mention mimic and spread around) his looney jargon. DON'T GET HELP. Just drink water & take vitamins.

This is such a republican type issue- I can't believe there are people on this board who agree with that insanity.

[steve2470]

27. Amen !! nt

[Endangered Specie]

8. My concern is the damn perscription drug industry/empire...

thats who we really should be worried about.

[nolabels]

17. Check that twice and double concur

http://nastyboys.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_nastyboys_archive.html

[H2O Man]

19. I think that is a valid concern.

I would highlight the intersection of the drug industry and the insurance industries. Insurance companies too often attempt to dictate the length of therapy sessions to some arbitrary number like 12 per year. They put pressure on clinics to rely upon medication and short-term case management, as opposed to therapy.

Are all therapists gifted and insightful people? Naw. But the truth is most service providers are pretty good, and some are outstanding. And even the outstanding ones are not able to perform miracles in 12 visits or less. Miracles do happen -- but they take a dog-gone lot of work.

(*** Some medications have miraculous results. I've seen numerous examples of people who posed serious risks of harm to themselves and/or others who, on medication, live have those symptoms that create the risks disappear.)

[DanCa]

16. I wonder here

how many anti psych people actually have medical degrees. Tom Cruise included.

[steve2470]

20. Physicians at one time used leeches to help "cure" people

So I guess we should stop seeing our family practice and internal medicine doctors also.

:sarcasm:

[H2O Man]

23. Good point.

Short, and to the point. Very impressive.

[steve2470]

25. Thanks !

These kind of threads make me want to flame away.

:nuke:

[H2O Man]

22. I think a huge issue

is that our society does not recognize "mental illness" as a legitimate human experience. I am curious if the "original poster" would agree with this.

[mondo joe]

29. Absolutely. And dems should be working to increase access to care, not

demonizing providers of that care.