Okay ....... Imagine it is 2008 and we won the whole magilla

[Stinky The Clown]

The White House.

The Senate.

The House.

Majority of the Statehouses.

We're in and we're it.

But .....

Outsourcing is done. Those jobs are lost and are likely never to return.

Our international reputation is lower than whale shit.

The War in Iraq® is going badly. We won on the notion of ending it and we will (assume we do).

Our economy is unsustainable.

Oil's hovering at the $80 - $90 level.

Inflation is sparking up.

All the money paid in wages to support the war is now gone. Unemployment may be the next war to be fought.

Our deficits are killing us. We're a debtor nation with huge bills due ..... and no one is intending to forgive us one fucking dime. I mean, why would they? We never did ... yanno?

But there's a bright spot. The other reason we won is because the country changed its point of view. No more neocon crap. They're totally discredited. So are the relgiowhackos. Religion, to be sure, is alive and well, but it is once again the province of good people, not scary thugs aligned with political movements. Reason and ecumenism are the prevailing wisdom. To be sure there are remnants of the old religiofascists and neoconazis ... burning embers poised to flare into flame again .... but for now .... not too bad.

What do we do now?

[Rosco T.]

1. Put ShrubCo on trial would help restore our reputation... n/m

[Stinky The Clown]

3. Okay, that's a minisolution

but I still need to put food on my family and pay for gas.

[Melodybe]

47. Ending the war on drugs would be a good start, it would save us billions

to release non violent drug offenders.

Other Ideas; TAX THE VERY RICH and close the tax loopholes, go green energywise, hire people to work on converting our energy supply, then get back all the money that Bushco has diverted to off shore accounts, force corporations to invest in preventative healthcare.

Doing those 5 things would put millions to work and would save us billions maybe trillions of dollars.

[Rosco T.]

8. Outsourcing Solution: VERY HIGH tax rates to corporations...

.. that outsource or use the 'po box in the caymans' trick.

VERY FAVORABLE tax rates to those that "build american/employ americans'.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Excellent!

I like it.

I'm add this to the Stinky the Clown For President platform.

Seriously ... excellent point.

[Bouncy Ball]

16. I'd be completely behind that.

[RawMaterials]

28. Thats a bad ideal

because this has happened before, the only solution to a depression/recession is government spending, and since we will be dealing with B*sh debt, we are in short screwed and we are going to have to pay up the 28000 or so every man woman and child in this county owes. or we could inflate our way out of it,actually hyper -inflate. Then the dolor goes bye bye and so does all of our natural resources, we will end up like a big Argentina, with Europe laughing and pointing their finger at the little country (less then 300 years old) that thought they ruled the world.

[Stinky The Clown]

44. I'm not arguing .... but why do you say that?

Can you please expand a bit on why you see taxing heavily the profits of companies that outsource and giving tax breaks to companies that build jobs here?

[meegbear]

2. FIX IT!

qed

[Stinky The Clown]

4. Wow!

Why didn't I think of that?

[meegbear]

7. Cuz you're mssing the forest becuase of the trees, grasshopper.

[Stinky The Clown]

9. Okay, I'll let you play inscrutible master

I guess I'm just too dense to play in your yard.

[meegbear]

12. Now snatch this pebble form my hand

[Stinky The Clown]

22. As soon as you answer this pop quiz

Where's the DU spell chekker?

[meegbear]

45. It comes form the deep bowels of DU

D'Oht!

[Bouncy Ball]

5. It all sounds pretty damn bad (thanks neocons!) BUT

I will tell you this: if I trust ANYONE to pull us out of a bad spot (or 500 bad spots), it is some really fucking determined hard-working Democrats.

[Stinky The Clown]

13. My dream would be a new call to arms

A call to win the war for energy independence. A Manhatten Project style thing. Mobilize the whole country. Complete energy autonomy. Develop and OWN the technology right here. I actually suspect it will be many technologies, each geographically and/or need specific.

Jobs as far as the eye can see.

[Bouncy Ball]

15. Hell yeah.

Sounds fantastic to me.

[RawMaterials]

32. Now thats what i want to hear

A Kennedy esk call, instead of going to the moon it would be the development of a ENC Energy national counsel.


Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.

Yet the vows of this Nation can only be fulfilled if we in this Nation are first, and, therefore, we intend to be first. In short, our leadership in science and in industry, our hopes for peace and security, our obligations to ourselves as well as others, all require us to make this effort, to solve these mysteries, to solve them for the good of all men, and to become the world's leading space-faring nation.

We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of Prue-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. /i]


replace space with energy,
and that last quote is a direct push at the world banks and or people like bush, "whether it will become a fore for good or ill" ,, look what oil has brought to the US, The 70's and Bush.

[RawMaterials]

39. not to mention we could have used this with stem cell n/m

[waynew706]

6. Here's a thought.....

Get back all the illict money that Shrub and his friends have pilfered from the coffers. Start looking toward Haliburton for one, and who made piss pot full's during the rein of Shrub and confiscate that money as well. Might mean going off shore, but it can be done.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. I'm going to use this one in the debates

When Stinky Does the GOPers gets filmed.

This actually would be right in line with basic American concepts ..... corporate malfeasance and war profiteering. The notion woulod be a good topic to throw at an opponent in a presidential debate.

[warrior1]

11. Well my solution

is do what President Clinton did, tax the very rich. They haven't been paying their fair share, this includes closing the loops hole of off-shore banking.

Raise the minimum wage.

Fix Medicare.


Go green and have clean energy. Harness the sun.

I'm sure there are ways to bring back jobs to the United States.

How about teaching and reteaching Americans how to recycle and reuse things.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Both President Clinton and President Gore were big proponents

of targeted tax cuts. Big Dawg referred to them as investments in America's future, and indeed they are.

I'm also stealing this for the StinkyTheClown08 platform.

[DaveinMD]

14. first on my agenda

would be passing universal health care. This will help people and business too by not making them compete with companies that have this subsidized by their governments.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. Yes, and frame it as corporate competitive assistance

Another good plank for my platform!

Stinky08!

[salin]

17. Squeeze what little capital is available into regenerating

our ability to create things - get back to self sufficiency - we can't afford to ship things far - so more smaller industrial sites are needed - use the rusty old sites (empty due to outsourcing, available due to the foreclosure frenzy of 06) - to reinvigorate the engines of our economy.

Raise taxes on nondirect investments (that is stock market - except on IPO does not go directly into the company for growth/investment) - keep direct investment returns lower (encourage more venture investment, or bond investment - both which can be used for building things like plants.) Reinstate the Estate Tax (Comeon- you get to pass on estates of a million -just that which is more than that which gets taxed) - and use the resources for a temporary works program to man the new industrial plants until they become self-sufficient (eg get people working, money in the pocket, and then consuming - fueling more "need/demand" meaning more factories, etc.)

And some of the new 'manufactring' should be directly related to r/d investment for alternative fuel/energy and related equipment and for materials development (to move away from pure reliance on peto based materials).

[Stinky The Clown]

29. This is a seriously good idea!

All your ideas are really good. You could at **least** partially fund the new business you espouse by targeted tax cuts. Hell, even outright grants. Create a new sort of 'enterprize zone' and while we encourage these new businesses, we also cap their growth by limiting or heavily taxing their market span. Keep the businesses smaller and more locally owned, thereby plowing their profits right back into the local economies.

Another plank for the Stinky08 campaign platform.

[Taxloss]

18. Without wanting to sound nationalist,

a bit of public crawling to Britain's prime minister Brown would work wonders in restoring your reputation in Europe. Britain has always been your closest ally in Europe; Bush's administration has come close to destroying that position. A public and pacific rapprochement between our countries would do a lot of good here and on the mainland.

[shraby]

19. Whatever is done, please don't call it a "war" on

anything. Maybe an economic campaign or something a little more benign. I'm tired of "war".

[Taxloss]

21. I completely endorse your message

but I think you have replied to the wrong post.

[Stinky The Clown]

34. I can go with that.

The quest for new energy will not be a war. Nor will any crash program to reach a desperately needed goal. We really do need a new tone.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. I think a first order of business is to get on the world stage

and publically apologize to the entire world for theshit we caused for the last 8 years. Let the world know we're serious by passing some serious laws and signing a few of the damned treaties that have been unsigned or 'de-signed' by idiot son.

We should also try to prosecute any war crimes we discover. That said, I am opposed to trying our ex-presidents, even a total piece of shit like idiot son. That being said, I **am** in favor of rejoing the ICC and making our membership retroactive. If *they* wish to try him, I'm okay with that.

[Taxloss]

41. Don't apologise!!!!

That's the worst mistake a new admin could make! it's a quick way to identify the new admin with the old, solves nothing, and simply transfers blame! It's a huge mistake!

Just crawl a bit, as I said! Throw away a few diplo chips, cosy up to the Brown government, pay homage to the new French and German leaders, you'll be fine. Diplomatically. Culturally, the wounds will take a decade to heal at least.

[ole_evil_eye]

20. we take it one day at a time

and slowly but surely rebuild this country pice by piece

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. Fix the media and make sure elections are reformed/accountable.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. Push the politicians to take the money out of campaigns.

Remove the oligarchy of moneyed interests.

[NewJeffCT]

35. agree, full public financing of all elections

none of this option to opt-out crap like we have now.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. 100% publically financed campaigns

Take a penny of private or corporate money and go to jail. Period.

Shut down the soft money and the 'free speech' campaign ads. If need be, suspend free speech with respect to campaigns and make 'em all shut the fuck up.

[Malikshah]

30. Fix it while we round up all the homeland criminals

and have them sent to the new Nuremberg trials for crimes against humanity.

They will be jailed in international prisons-- one on each continent.

Families of criminals (i.e. GW, Babs, Poppy, Neil, Jeb) will be sent to separate continents for imprisonment.


You get the picture.

[gulliver]

31. Enjoy the immediate better economy.

The simple elimination of the parasite would do wonders for our economy and morale. The Republicans will have gotten their spasm of gay bashing and war wasting out of the way. They will have to shut up for a while.

Businesses that actually do something useful will be back on a level playing field. Crony businesses that function solely on greasing Republican palms will go into remission. CEOs that don't have any ideas but skate by on paying off Republicans will have to retire. We will get America back to the business of doing legitimate business again.

Things will get a lot better once we start trying to make things make sense again. Bush will have taken all of the "respectability" out of foolishness, recklessness, plain- (aka dumb-) spokenness. We will get back to responsibility, accountability, and openness.

[Stinky The Clown]

40. I'm not quite sure about this, but how about

limiting the size or market share of corporations? Break up the giants and limit CEO pay by cutting off the bonuses and other sneaky shit.

[JanMichael]

37. We can work to get back to the days of 11% Poverty!

Yippeefrickindoo.

[WLKjr]

38. History often repeats itself....

Maybe the spirit of FDR will reignite the passion and determination that lies in all dems.


We are strong. We are determined, and we will prevail. We are Democrats. A brighter future is ahead, I can <i>feel</i> it.

[More Than A Feeling]

42. To start with

Cancel Missile defense. Right there you have saved around 67 billion over ten years.

Then, reduce funding for the war on drugs, saving 30 billion over ten years.

Then, apply huge tariffs to the goods of companies that outsource. Apply a tax that companies must pay for every future job lost due to outsourcing. Or threaten them with the loss of their subsidies. all of them. The American people are not paying taxes to be fired.

Oil at that price...will increase the incentives, both public and private to discover a substitute.

We will have to do something with sane republicans about social security and medicare, some combination of indexing the retirement age for full benefits to life expectancies and/or letting the benefits fall in nominal value while still being more in real value.

Inflation fighting is the job of the Federal Reserve, so we'd best appoint a darn good chairman. Maybe Robert Rubin.

Then we take some of those billions from missile defense and war on drugs and fully fund Nunn-lugar to lock down the soviet nukes and create real port and border security. Also, we jack up the foreign aid to fund our millenium challenge account obligations, and possibly cure malaria in Africa.

Then we raise gas mileage requirements for SUVs to be inline with other cars.

How is that, for the first one hundred days?

[Stinky The Clown]

43. Man, you're building the whole platform for the Stinky08 campaign

That's a hell of a hundred days! :thumbsup:

SS and Medicare, I think, are easy. No fancy tricks. Just raise the limit on FICA. In fact, eliminate the limit. Tax it all the way to the top. And tax all investment income like ordinary income where the investment income exceeds wages (except for retirees).

Much as I like Bob Rubin, I'd consider Paul Krugman.

Okay to raise CAFE on SUVs, but also impose huge gas guzzler taxes in conjunction with that and apply it to all privately owned vehicles, no matter the type. And make it very difficult to use commercial tags for private use.

[julianer]

46. I'm not an American

but I hope you don't mind if I chip in.

Control corporations: you've done this before but now well enough. They are now back to haunt us all. If they are not completely controlled by taking away their rights as 'people', they will constantly chip away at restraints until we are back at the situation prevailing today.

Increase public ownership of essential national resources and services: health service, phara, energy, at least one major bank. See public ownership as a positive rather than an evil.

Extend democracy into the workplace and every area of life that is privately controlled.

Renegotiate international treaties and give up your 'manifest destiny' to invade anyone who doesn't toe the line.