Tin Foil On California Recall Election

[hang a left]

I have been thinking about this for two days. Why would the 11 member 9th circuit unanimously overturn and rule on the first 3 judge decision. With 8 of the members being Democratic appointees. As well as the ACLU deciding not to pursue a remedy to the SCOTUS.

My hopeful foil is this. During the election their will be manipulation of the votes via touchscreen voting computers. You cannot tell me that the top echelons of our government do not know about the fraud that has taken place in the 2000 and 2002 elections. There is too much incriminating evidence out there, not to mention Salon's recent article.

I think that they are gonna try to steal California's govenorship, and they are gonna get caught.

This is what I spend my time doing. Figuring out all the conspiracy theories. I have another new theory regarding the purpose of Whistle Butt's speech as well. I may opine upon that at a later time.

[radwriter0555]

1. Oooo, I'd like to hear your opine on the speech please....

and yes, it would be GRAND if the gop was caught with their hand in the recall election cookie jar... but they're really snakey... so chances are slim.

[ewagner]

6. hey rad

do you think there is any way our side could actually catch the repubs with their hand in the cookie jar?

Wouldn't it be great if we found a way of catching them in the act?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. it sounds like a silver lining to me....

ajusting my foil too :7

[Drifter]

3. Holding the election in Oct ...

ensures that those polling places using the old punch cards, can not be manipuliated by BBV's.

I think if the plan was to outright steal the election with BBV's, then the Repukes would be in favor of holding the election next march.

I think they should just get it overwith. I believe that the recall will fail.

Arnold peaked about 4 seconds after announcing on the Leno show. He has been steadily marching downward. The rigged debate, will only cause him to fall further, since he will not respond to real questions, and he certainly will not say anything new (or relevant).

Cheers
Drifter

[wtmusic]

9. Spot on

And now Issa coming out against the recall. Why? Because they screwed up (Republicans are very good at that one thing). If the recall goes through, all signs point to Cruz being the new governor of CA (best) or Davis staying put (not best)

[ewagner]

4. There HAS to be some reason for it...

tinfoil notwithstanding.......

It could have been strategic because the court can read the tea leafs just like we can and they know that Davis has some momentum going AND the repubs are fighting among themselves. In that case, its better that the election proceed post haste. Not necessarily tin foil but good strategy.

btw: I also have a theory about whistle-asses speech but I'll wait to see yours............

[hang a left]

10. OK OK

First of all, whistel butt inc. doesn't want any troops, does not want involvement of other countries, does not want anyone around there looking around. They want total control and they want noone snooping around and letting the world know what is going on. (ie the arabic news services that have been evicted for two weeks, supposedly, we will see the US...uh..I mean Iraqi governing council extend this period of time I am sure.) They want some $$$, but will bankrupt the US if they have to in order to advance their evil plot.

How do they plan on sustaining their efforts with manpower. Well that will be by sabbatoging our economy and forcing the poor's children to enlist in the armed services, they will also institute some type of draft. We will be in Iraq forever, while they privatize Iraqi industry and suck the Iraqis and US dry for years to come. The Iraqi's will never see the benfits of their oil. The only winners in this deal are the multinationals and the elite. The rest of the world be damned. There was no exit strategy because we never planned to leave.

Finally, that dictator sitting in our White House, has received quite a bit of warranted castigation recently, especially domestically. I believe that he perceives a threat to his position and that some people have the goods on him. I think he was forewarning those that may attempt to take him down that he has some equally damaging goods on them. That is what I think the remarks made in his speech respecting trafficing in humans, slavery, ect. was all about. It certainly had nothing to to with his imagined "War on Terror"

So there you have it. The Queen of Foil has spoken.

on edit my horrible spelling

[ewagner]

14. You showed me yours...

so I'll show you mine :evilgrin:

First, start out with the fact that the "sex tourism" portion of the speech was totally out of focus with the matters at hand.

In listening to this you had to believe that his speech writers are/were totally incompetetent as much of the critisism of this speech has maintained.

But remember, everything this man does is completely staged for giving a certain impression or staking out a position in the mind of the public. (The citations are almost too many to mention,: "Mission Accomplished, waiting for the "golden hour" of light for the Pres to give the speech, handing out white button-down shirts before a speech so the audience could look more like "Hoosiers", taping over the "Made in China" markings on the cartons....it goes on and on.)These people leave absolutely nothing to chance.

So, you have to conclude that the "sex tourism" portion of the speech was deliberate and planned for consumption by American audiences.

Now this is where you and I agree:

My tin-foil theory is that they have done a lot of Opposition Research and they know that somewhere down the line, they can catch a dem candidate on the wrong side of this issue. Other posts have mentioned a situation with Dynacorp in Kosovo which may be used to smear Clark. Or, they may have something on one of the other candidates.

In other words, its all about positioning for the 2004 campaign.

:tinfoilhat:

I don't believe his handlers are stupid. There had to be a reason. and, at present, this is my best guess.

[bowens43]

5. IMO , they knew they had no case.

This issue, like the Florida issue , was a state concern and never should have gone to a federal court. I know, it's an unpopular opinion here but it's the way I see it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. The places where touchscreen is used to my knowledge

such as Riverside county are pretty firmly GOP entrenched anyway..they are stealing their own votes. California has rules about hand recounts and has succssfully navigated them with little challenge in the past.

Of wourse, the easiest count will be if there are far more NO's than yes's on the TOP of the ballot.

[radwriter0555]

8. The ruling was on target. The original position for halting the recall

was flawed, since the premise provided would have technically invalidated the original election that put davis in office in the first place.

HOWEVER, the bush GOP does NOT WANT ARNOLD SCHWARTZENEGGER for Governor of California. They are NOT backing him in any way, shape or form. Their guy was Issa (or Simon) and proved inept.

They can't rig this election or else they wouldn't be worried; they'd be hosting out their candidate with impunity. I find this interesting, that the GOP couldn't come up with a charismatic enough contender capable of being owned, to go up against a lightweight like davis.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't LOVE davis, but I do believe he is a capable and able governor, and especially advocate him even more, now that Bill Clinton is backing him up HUGE... This is an extremely important move.

The point is to rally EVERY CALIFORNIAN to VOTE NO ON THE RECALL. If we all get out the vote we can smack this puppy down and save ourselves a LOT of headache and money, AND retain power in California...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. I also think Davis has gotten a bit of a wake up call

hell the only people REALLY disgusted with him prior to the state's economic downturn were LIBERALS!

[radwriter0555]

12. I disagree completely. Us liberals KNOW that davis took it big on the

energy scam. Those of us who know blow by blow how the energy scam went down in no way, shape or form blame davis for the alleged ills that CA is going through at the moment. This was all brought about BY THE GOP in their POWER GRAB. All of it.

In fact if you look at the entire scheme, davis has handled the situation as good as he possibly could, considering how heavy handed the bush regime played their game.

What's fascinating is how they didn't count on Clinton to turn it ALL around.. I just love that.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Oh I am not referencing the energy scam in which Davis overall

has been THE BIGGEST HEADACHE for Bush. I am speaking on other policy matters but in the interest of not SMEARING him will refrain since he ultimately remedied SOME of them (remember, I am involved in LABOR issues)