Christian Fundementalism has ruined Christianity almost beyond repair.

[BMG]

Just a few thoughts...

Today I can turn on my news or walk outside and regularly see this religion being pissed on. It wasnt always like this. I remember a time when Christianity stood for not judging other people. I remember a time when Christianity was not a bigoted religion that stood to bring others down. Now these characteristics make up the majority of it. Its funny really; they think when Jesus returns he will be happy with them. If I were Jesus, and I saw what happened to my religion, Id probably not waste any time with them and just hang myself back up on the cross in sheer dissapointment.

Their own savior said , "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Anyone with two eyes and ears can see very obviously that Fundies are not "without sin"; yet they cast judgement on so many? They cast judgment on so many with their one sided dogmatic views, they have stolen our country; they are trying to steal our freedom. How can we so easily let them take everything away without a fight? Whatever happened to civil disobeidence in very large numbers, what ever happened to putting up a fight, how have we become so dosile? We are their enemy, they are fighting us in large numbers, why are we not fighting back in the same way? Because they will play "the victim"? In that case, I am not saying lets wage war on Christanity, I am saying lets wage war on what it has become, and win it back. It is not a bad religion and it is not too late to save it. I say if you all want to be heard, then march yourselves down to the White House, right to it's gates, and demand you be heard. Dont forget Democracy means "voice of the people"; and for democracy to progress in America today, the voice needs to be louder, otherwise it will die out forever. I myself am not a Christian, but I can tell you this is the only way to win against these bigots and win your religion back.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

1. and it's all been for political gain.....

sad....

[bobthedrummer]

2. No, it hasn't. n/t

[Lindacooks]

3. Wow, I'm struggling in the crushing grip of your reasoning!

eom

[flordehinojos]

4. perhaps the Antichrist is more than one person. perhaps it is an entire

movement and in that case perhaps it can be said that this christian right, or christian fundamentalism

is

the Antichrist.

[Warpy]

7. I've said for a very long time that the Antichist isn't a single person

but represents a movement away from the tolerance, nonviolence, and charity preached by Jesus Christ and toward the Calvinism we see today, the near idolatry of the rich, the idolatry of war, the idolatry of money, and the idolatry of power.

The mainstream churches have dropped the ball on this stuff for too long. They've lost the message completely, and it's showing in their dropping attendance figures.

This is an ugly time to be a Christian.

[Cassandra]

8. It's not exactly a fabulous time to be a Jew, either...

but that time never really comes, does it?

[SteppingRazor]

5. It's like H.L. Mencken said...

The trouble with Christianity is the Christians.

[indepat]

6. He who professes to love Jesus and follow his teachings but spewing RW

hate and divisive partisan politics antithetical to every Christian doctrine all the while will surely be reserved a most special place in the hereafter just as surely as a just God reigns in heaven IMHO.

[Lost4words]

9. The Germans that were fascists, what religion were they?

Were they Buddhists? Were they Jews?, Were they Muslim, were they Hindus. What was the prominent religion in Germany during the rule of the third reich? I am just asking here so don't flame me.

Not trying to start anything just looking for an answer to this question!

[BMG]

11. And I have an answer.

Hitler was very secular towards the end of his reign.

Although there are quotes of him professing his loyaly to Christ and God as well.

The last time Christianity really did anything good as a whole, was about 2000 years ago.

[Maple]

13. Roman Catholic

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

[Cassandra]

16. Hitler was a Catholic...

in apparent good standing with the church. Germans were mostly Lutheran or Catholic.

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[madrchsod]

22. the religion of fascists

was fascism. they used mysticism and state power to create a new religion. the guys who run the show now have done the same thing.

[Tux]

10. Blah blah blah

Fight the fundies, yes. Save Christianity, no. It's too far gone and nothing worth saving anyways. Remembering my days wasted in Sunday school, I wouldn't want that filth taught to anyone. Best to let fundies have it and make a new religion or movement to battle their hate. Lucas is right, RW are the Sith.

[Fight_n_back]

12. If the Inquisition didn't kill it

then these lunkheads can't

[gratuitous]

14. "Almost"

The key word here. Christianity has been around for a couple of thousand years, and the ideals it espouses have been around even longer. In the long (very long) run, today's fundamentalists are a mere pimple, especially when compared to the nearly unchallenged stranglehold a certain cadre had on Christendom for over 600 years, and that dominated western Christendom for another 500 years beyond that.

[aaronnyc]

15. It has always been that way

Christian fundamentalism is far from a new thing. There have long been certain sects of Christianity which are into tolerance and forgiveness, while other sects of have been into being judgmental and condemning everyone else.

The only difference is that we are more aware of conservative fundamentalist Christians now because of their increasingly large role in Republican Party. They've always existed - we just didn't notice them before. I'm pretty sure that southern baptist churches were just as intolerant towards gays 30 years ago.

[BMG]

17. Thats why a fight should be put up.

Yes; it always has been around, but always in smaller numbers. In our country at least; that is what matters here. It has never been as big as it is today. It is starting to take a grip on the country now, and that is why standing up to it is so important. I realize the only way to beat it is to fight fire with fire, fight one side of Christianity with the other. Since our nation is mainly Christian, I could see this working, who knows, nobody will until its tried.

[JuniperLea]

18. i wonder if * knows about this one...

Deuteronomy 18:20

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

[JuniperLea]

19. or this

Jeremiah 14:14

Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

[Lexingtonian]

21. There was a time when Christianity everywhere stood apart

and was at the moral and spiritual forefront of society. The trouble was, it had a pact with its adherents that was aristocratic. The leaders would not trouble the adherents too much in return for perfect lip service, leaving the adherents to retain their 'traditional values', i.e. paganisms, in practice.

American Christianity is now largely taken over by its variety of Bolsheviks and Leninism. The 'purity' is so much higher- and so is the inhumanity. The technological progress is real, the social price involved treated as trivial.

[stanwyck]

23. We have a real Christian litmus test

going here in Georgia. Ralph Reed (former Christian Coalition chair) wants to be our next Lt. Governor. Problem is, Reed led his vociferous anti-gambling campaign with, you guessed it, gambling money from the Choctaw Indians.
And claimed ignorance as his defense. Only...his very specific (and very un-Christian) emails have him nailed. Along with Jack Abramnoff, Reed setup a dummy co. to launder the money -- a yoga instructor and lifeguard, no less. And the lifeguard had the morals to sense what he was into and bail.
So. If the conservatives who claim Christian values truly believe, they'll bail on Reed, too.
If not, we know that the Christian conservative veneer is just that -- a pretense. With no real meaning.
Should be interesting.
Oh, Zell's on board with Reed.
Shocker.