My Gawds!! What has happened to AMERICAN WOMEN'S BODIES?????

[Ripley]

My clothes dryer blew out it's motor this weekend. Oh the joy's of home ownership! Anyway, I had to take my laundry to the laundromat. While waiting on the machine, I picked up a "People" magazine. I admit, I have never read one in my life. Is this the same company that co-owns CNN now or something...their "People In the News" crap show on the weekends they used to do? Don't watch much TV anymore.

I was appalled by what I saw. I saw page after page, photo after photo of what I assume is considered the "beautiful, sexy, glamorous, to emulate" women of our time. One thing that stood out more than anything else was their bizarre bodies.

Freakily they all looked the same: way too big lips, fakey long hair, so much makeup you could do 100 clowns on their one application, and obviously enhanced breasts on tiny framed bodies and stick legs. Damn!

I felt like I was reading a zine about bad performance art. The female artists were all in some strange, unnatural totally revealing body suits and the male artists were all either of two looks: 1) normal body type, COVERED pretty much, so hard to tell if they had flat abs or not and 2) regular guys who were overweight, out of shape, perhaps balding, perhaps not attractive, perhaps naturally wrinkling and greying, perhaps too hairy, too squishy. Well you get the idea.

Except for Tom Cruise, who had an expose that should be in Blue Boy if it's not already. :eyes:

[knowbody0]

1. my three teenage daughters buy the magazines

but for some reason, wear no make up, and dress individually. i pinch myself, praying it is not a dream.

[Endangered Specie]

41. Perhaps they are using it as a guide how not to look

:)

[Maple]

2. Starvation is 'in'

And of course plastic add-ons. Well, for women anyway.

Amazing that people can be 'stars' with fame and fortune galore, and yet emulate the famine of third world countries in the midst of plenty.

Kinda takes all the fun out of 'making it' don't you think?

[Ripley]

6. By Jove, I think you've got it!

Why can't a woman with the figure of say, Mia Hamm, 5'5" 125 lbs be considered sexy? Her athletic body would seem to be more desireable than the boobs on sticks.

[Horse with no Name]

56. Mia Hamm is uber sexy

Nomar Garciaparra is a lucky man.

I think women need to forget those magazines that promote anorexia and plastic surgery and look at the beautiful women in sports with healthy bodies.

[NewJeffCT]

66. I thought Mia Hamm was a sex symbol?

at least I thought she was?

[warrens]

24. Spend some time in LA

It's unreal. They actually have ribs removed to look thinner. They all want to make it, and to do so, they clone the ones who have.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. They also

have all types of makeup artist's and a full staff of people to do their hair and clothes.

[Sanity Claws]

3. Yep, the ideal has now become bizarre.

And the odd thing is that Hollywood thinks that everyone else agrees with that standard of beauty.
You might want to check out awfulplasticsurgery.com for examples of really bad plastic surgery.

[NashVegas]

14. David Caruso On a Corn Stick

I saw a promo for CSI Miami (no, I don't watch it) that had him front and center, looking like a space alien.

There was a comedian, I think it was the late Dennis Wolfberg, who said the key to being a celebrity was to have a large head on a tiny, tiny body. Reeks of anorexia.

[Ripley]

20. HAH I agree!

Is that man supposed to be sexually appalling or appealing to women?

He is not at all attractive to me. He's actually a good actor, but you know what I mean. Imagine them taking the "Edgar-suit wife" woman from MIB to advertise that movie?

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Yep

So many of them are thin. That's why I like people like Kelly Osbourne. She doesn't care about her clothing and things like that. She does her own thing and she is ragging about how some artist's look too thin. Lindsay Lohan is always getting people asking her if she's anorexia but she proclaims she isn't and eats a lot. I knew someone in high school who was a sorta friend who was like that. She could eat and eat and eat and never gain. In my senior year (She was a junior) she wanted to give blood but she was a lil underweight so she tried to gain a few more pounds by eating rolls and drinking whole milk but never gained.

[UdoKier]

4. The gap has never been wider.

The women in magazines are more skeletal than ever, and the women (and men) you see on the street are fatter than ever, busting out of their hip-hugger jeans and half-shirts.

At least if 50's style dresses and skirts were in style, even meatier women could look good. Only very skinny girls look good in those hip-huggers, and even that's dubious, since you can see their damn hip bones protruding...

[Ripley]

8. Is that satire?

Did I say women should wear 50's style dresses to cover their asses in order to look good?

At least you admit that seeing their bones protruding might not be such an attractive look.

To me there is a big difference between "People mag stars" who are extremely thin and regular looking women and obese women.

Why can't "People" cover people of all looks, instead of focusing on those who are a minority and often lie about themselves?

I hate to admit this, but I've seen Regis and Kelly because it is on at the gym in the morning. Kelly always complains she hates to exercise. She says she doesn't exercise. She claims she is lazy.

Bull fucking shit. I saw a picture of her demurely holding up her dress in that zine and her legs are toned. In a way that is not gotten by walking to one's limo.

[UdoKier]

10. I'm not quite sure what you're saying...

But I wouldn't mind a return to more modest clothing. Not corsets and curlers, but dresses were nice, IMO. How about Katherin Hepburn-style slacks & blouses? At least jeans that cover the hip bone. The low-slung look is really ugly, IMO. What's so bad about looking neat and attractive?

A lot of us men would also do well to opt for at least khaki trousers and a polo shirt, rather than the droopy-drawers/wifebeater and flip-flop look that's gotten so common these days...

[Ripley]

16. Wifebeater has a "look?"

I think you are very mistaken with that comment.

I appreciate your other comments, but you do understand that saying guys with droopy-drawers are similar to wife beaters is not fact.

Wife beaters often wear suits and ties to work.

[catzies]

19. He refers to the tanktop-style undershirt called a "wife-beater."

Hope that helps. It's a horrible term that has passed into the common vernacular; I'm sorry to say I knew what that was. Here's an example from a GIS for "wife beater shirt:"

[Goldmund]

21. I think by "wife beater" he meant a sleaveless white shirt.

I don't like the hip-hop look he's describing, but the one look I hate more is the khaki trousers polo shirt dork look. :)

[UdoKier]

30. Pesonally I like blue jeans and long-sleeve flannel shirts.

But a lot of places are too hot for that, so I tried for a less-sloppy option that would be okay in hotter climes.

[UdoKier]

26. (sigh) "wife-beater" refers to a white tank top, not an actual person.

It's a common expression these days.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.


Typical wife-beater shirt.

[Ripley]

32. WHAT?

A common expression these days is a guy wearing a white tank is a wife-beater.

:wtf:

[UdoKier]

33. The shirt is the wife-beater, not the guy.

I didn't make it up. The young hipsters did...

[Ripley]

37. Heh.

Well, I see lots of guys wearing those type shirts and they aren't ANY WHERE NEAR WIFE BEATING.

So I missed the stereotype again.

Damn. Why do men take over these threads about how starved women are upheld as sex icons and change the thread to be more palatable...

and mention bad guys in white t shirts?

[UdoKier]

43. Well, I agree with the comments RE starved models...

But I don't see that many scrawny girls around in real life. I dunno. I just don't look at those mags. My wife never has either. Don't see the attraction. It's always the same dumb quizzes and gossip and advice repackaged over and over.

Dove seems to have a new campaign going on to encourage appreciation of the beauty of real body types.

http://www.dove.co.uk/

http://www.dove.com/real_beauty/default.asp

[smirkymonkey]

69. They all have something in common, besides their skeletal

bodies - a dead, vacant look in thier eyes. It's like they've lost thier souls in the pursuit of perfection.

Personally, I find perfection boring - everybody is starting to look exactly alike.

[CBHagman]

29. The low-slung look IS ugly.

It's a very hard look to carry off, even for someone who is slim. Less is more with that look -- i.e., a little flash of skin versus flesh that looks like it's being squeezed out of the jeans.

And don't tell me that you don't see flesh overlap every day. Unless you're among people who, for religious or weather reasons, don't wear skin-baring clothes, you know exactly what I mean.

What drives me out of my mind is that people are wearing clothes that accentuate a spare tire. All they have to do to look pulled together is wear clothing of a slightly different cut. They could strut their stuff with a low back or V-neck, for example, instead of the midriff-baring look.

On edit: Maybe I should amend my last remarks. One of my co-workers wears his shirts unbuttoned to the waist in summer. It's a little too "Hey, baby, what's your sign?" for the office. :-)

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. Khaki trousers and a polo shirt

That's my cue to avoid a guy.

Yes, I'm an elitist, prejudiced dick. Sorry. The suburban marauder uniform makes me wanna hurl. Golf cap with that, Brad?

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Knowing her

she probably does walking and yoga and some gym stuff.

[getmeouttahere]

54. Well, I don't care what the magazines try to sell us....

curvy is always sexier. And why are hip huggers sexy? You can't see the curve of a woman's butt that way...inf fact, their asses are coming out of those things

I enjoy seeing women in revealing clothes, but get some meat on your bones, ladies. This is why I don't think Cameron Diaz is sexy. No hips, no butt. It's void.

[FreedomAngel82]

52. That's one thing that pisses me off

Is the clothes. I mostly shop at Target and their brand Xhiliration has some really cute stuff though for all size's including jeans. I'm nothing skinny but I eat healthy and watch my weight and stuff. I'm just not too big on exercising as I should be, but if you go to the mall all their store's their really great clothes are all really small sizes and stuff. Sad, really.

[flamin lib]

5. Know what ya' mean. Fan of classic 50's beauty here.

Round, soft, voluptuous. No anorexia for me, and when lips begin to need a cup size, well, I'm outta' here.

I'm married 35 years and have reached that uncomfortable point of not being attracted to those attracted to me and not being attractive to those attractive to me ;-). Still like the human form. Both sexes from an aesthetic point of view.

Probably more information than you wanted . . .

[earth mom]

7. What gets me is the plastic surgery obsession...

They all look like stepford wives or the living dead! Ever see these women close up? Yikes-it's scary! I used to live in Southern California and went back a few years ago and was struck (guess I didn't notice it when I used to live there or maybe there are just tons more of em now) by how their plastic faces are so unnatural. The worst are the older women who look absolutely hideous with their pasty complexions, odd puffy cheekbones and eyes that never seem to close.

If I didn't know better I could have sworn they had been made up at the funeral home... :scared:

[Disturbed]

9. Just curious.

Anybody have proof that Laura Bush has had cosmetic surgery?

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Here's two photo's of Laura to compare and contrast

Here she is in 1999:



Here she is now in 2005:

[FreedomAngel82]

55. Really

I remember reading a good while back an interview with Kelly Osbourne. She and her family were moving back to London (at least she was) and she was telling how she likes London a lot better than California because basically everybody in California is real fake or tries to be like celebrties and everybody wants to make it etc. Nobody is real anymore. She made some really good points. I've never been to London or California personally though. But I could see what she means.

[tishaLA]

85. You could see what she means?

And you've never been here. Heard of stereotypes? Did you ever think that maybe the reason Kelly Osbourne is around a lot of fake people who try to be like celebs is because *she* is, in fact, a celebrity who, truth be told, wouldn't be anywhere without her father and her mother, who has had two face lifts, stomach reduction surgery, liposuction, colors her hair different colors all the time, and has a makeup artist to fix her face before she appears in public.

And that Kelly Osbourne talked about how fake people in California are? Some of us here in Los Angeles are not nearly as shallow and stupid as she is. And we don't have to go to rehab for Oxycontin addiction like she did either.

[getmeouttahere]

58. I don't spend a lot of time in Beverly Hills....

but I don't see a lot of what you people are talking about in Santa Monica, on 3rd St. Promenade, I see a mix of body types...I think we're feeding a SoCal stereotype here....very few women look like the movie/tv stars, even here in L.A.

[SoCalDem]

11. Woman... as designed by a collaboration between

Salvadore Dali....Picasso....

[LibDemAlways]

12. I live in So. Cal. and at least half of all

the younger women in my corner of suburbia are size 2 and have big, fake boobs but nothing between the earlobes. I truly live in Stepford.

[noiretextatique]

13. it's the SOS, different day, isn't it?

the "ideal" never remotely approaches what real women look like.

[SoCalDem]

15. 1940's-50's women came the closest to reality

but not since:(

[noiretextatique]

17. weren't they griddled and harnessed though?

but i do recall my size 14 grandmother was quite the hottie back then :7

the SOS: women just can't be natural and be normal. there's gotta be paint or laquer or girdles or implants or something. my particular dislike: colored contacts. i haven't seen many the look real on the women i know who wear them...they look like aliens.

[SoCalDem]

22. When they "gussied up", but most ordinary women

wore slacks and shorts at home, and comfy shoes and didn't even wear makeup:)

[noiretextatique]

35. thanks...i was born in 1958

so, admittedly, i don't have much knowledge about that time.

[XemaSab]

18. Marilyn Monroe

was a size 14.

[SoCalDem]

28. Yeppers.. I would love to see the looks on the faces of today's

size 2's when they order a vintage dress:).. First of all there were NO size 2's..

Most size runs started at 5-6, and during the 60's , junior petite came into vogue with a size 3..

measurements were different too.. (from the 60's)

size 8....30-22-32

size 10...32-24-32

size 12...34-24/25-34

remember 36-26-36 ?? Size 14

size 16....38-28-38

size 18 was 38/40-30-38/40

Today's size 2's would find that a size 10 might fit them or might be too small.. remember those TIGHT skirts with the teensy NON-elasticized waistbands:)

[Ripley]

34. Thanks for putting it in numbers!

It is so obvious they are trying to kill and eat women. Those who like chicken wings for a meal.

Just kidding. ;)

[phylny]

92. My mother used to say that the reason American women got so fat

compared to women in her day was because of elastic. Back then (as you said), the waistbands of skirts and slacks (not pants, but slacks ;)) had no elastic.

I'm on weight watchers now, and I vow that once I get to my goal weight, I will never wear elastic waistbands again! :)

[Cleita]

45. If you get a chance, get a copy of "Some Like It Hot". Marilyn Monroe

looks downright fat by today's standards although she seems to be thinner in later movies. It could be a reason for her problems with prescription drugs. Anyway it's a hilarious movie with Jack Lennon and Tony Curtis cross dressing to escape the mob.

[SoCalDem]

48. Amphetamines were handed out like candy in those days

uppers, and cigarettes were the "diet" of the day:(..

Jusy Garland was given them when she was dancing on the yellow brick road.. (she was maturing too fast..they also bound her so she would look jevenile)..No wonder so many actresses of their era has "issues".

[Cleita]

49. If you watch "Desperate Housewives" I think

Wisteria Lane should be renamed Anorexia Lane. The women are way too thin with the exception of Nicolette Sheridan.

[expatriate]

86. in fact, 14 was her "in-between" size!

Monroe varied between a size 12 and an 18. For most of her films, she was a 14, sometimes with the help of body shaping garments. She was very fond of food. Some of her drug related problems were due to the use of amphetamines to lose weight quickly when she was due to start a film. Judy Garland had similar problems - naturally plump, she was put on amphetamines as a youngster to keep her weight down for filming - and her problems grew from there.

[kskiska]

87. Marilyn was NOT fat, and certainly not today's size 14

If so, she'd have looked more like Anna Nicole Smith.





Snopes.com covers it:
http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.htm

Dress sizes were different then.

[SoCalDem]

90. Clothing sizes were different back then..

and yes..she WAS a "plus size" by today's standards :)

Society changed..and not for the better..

There was a time when juveniles were expected to actually grow up and become adults..

The desire today (started in the 60's really) is for people (especially women) to remain "barely legal" and to LOOK just barely pubescent..

[XemaSab]

93. Compared with most of today's actresses

she's plump.

Look at her butt in that photo, and the undersides of her arms. She's even got a slightly poochy tummy.

She'd never make it today.

Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D

Uh.... 5'5" and 140?

[NYCGirl]

91. Snopes has something to say about that:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.htm

[greekspeak]

23. The last time I made the mistake of picking up People I rued doing so

I saw it there...right next to me on the stairmaster. And so I read it. For about 3 minutes. Page after Page after page of ecentrically dressed celebrities with catty comments from a "panel of fashion experts." One comment was to the effect that Shirley McClaine's outfit was reminiscent of a grape so she should be stepped on. Another commented on how she looked like an escapee from an "old folk's home." It is always nice to know that no matter how rotten life in Shrub's America gets for everyone, we can all still be fashion conscious. :eyes:

[KT2000]

25. Look at the ingenues in movies

they have emaciated faces and stick arms and legs. Did you know they actually make a size zero now in women's clothing.
I guess the goal is to disappear.

[wideopen]

27. I'll take a REAL woman.

No plastic , no bones sticking out, just a real woman with real curves. I find women that try to hard to be a complete turn off and the ones that their heads look to big for their bodies- just eewwww. I hope the days of voluptuous women come back soon.

[SoCalDem]

31. You can always find us

We never went away, the powers-that-be just started telling us we were too ugly to be on tv or in the magazines, once our weight exceeded our IQs:)

[stevans_41902]

36. They have not only a size 0 jeans but a size 00.

I absolutely hate it because i know so many girls my age who wear a size 3-5 and they are constantly complaining about how they are SO fat and need to lose weight. There are so many on campus who look like they haven't eaten in weeks, its so disgusting. I see nothing wrong with working out and being toned but i hate the size 0 huge boobs look that seems to be 'in' these days.

[SoCalDem]

38. Just for kicks.. order a pair of OLD school jeans (or a dress) from ebay

circa 1965...about a size 10... I bet they'll be too big for it:) They need to be told that sizes have been manipulated.. Even back then, couture or designer duds were always sized down to "flatter m'lady".. A rich woman would special order her clothing in a size 8, but the measurements suited an off-the-rack size 12. :) It's called marketing :)

[SoCalDem]

39. Subcutaneous cereal bowls

:)

[getmeouttahere]

65. All this tells me that men.....

are telling them they are fat AND that there are enough men out there that think skeletons with skin are sexy

[Trajan]

89. I think you are painting far too broad a picture ...

Here on this thread: nearly EVERY male, to the last one, has found the uberthin look unappetizing, and expressed a preference for a more filled out figure ...

Yet you ignore this lopsided population segment, and come to the opposite conclusion ....

Hmmmmmmmm ....

[Endangered Specie]

40. Forget that shit... I like women with some weight on them

This uber skinny thing is disgusting... ribcages are a turn off, I dont know how guys can be attracted to someone that looks like you could break her if you squeezed hard enough.

and as far as the makeup thing goes... go easy on that stuff, it might add extra pounds :sarcasm:

and lastly, I cant stand bleach blond dyed hair :thumbsdown:

[nonconformist]

42. Cue the thin bashers. nt

[progressivebydesign]

46. You're joking.. right?

Or you are extremely self-defensive. this is not about bashing thin people or anyone being jealous. It's about an unhealthy body image that is being force-fed into our daughters.. do you have problem with that???

[nonconformist]

51. No, not joking.

Your post below bashes people with small upper-arms then later assumes they're anorexic, which is a mental disorder.

I'm not defending the body image issue, and I'm certainly not defending self-mutilation in the form of plastic surgery. But some people ARE naturally thin and very small boned.

[noiretextatique]

63. surely, not every one who is that small

is that way naturally, espeically those deemed "celebrities." you'd have to live in a bubble to really buy that. no meant offense to naturally small people, btw.

[nonconformist]

64. Never said everyone. nt

[bicentennial_baby]

67. thank you

I get enough of this from my mom and grandma... I've never had an eating disorder and I'm very small...no effort involved.

[bicentennial_baby]

60. Yep

Apparently I'm not a REAL woman with my size 1-2 ass...sigh.

[nonconformist]

61. delete

[progressivebydesign]

44. It's shocking. The "beautiful" people are starving themselves.

Upper arms should not be 8 inches around.. nor should thighs. I'm not sure WHO the fuck decided that female beauty should be about losing everything that makes a female look like a female. I've always been around a size 6/8, and these women make me look overweight in comparison. I just received a recent Victoria's Secret catalog (which I stopped buying from a few years ago in protest of their exaggerated body images), anyhoo.. you can't even look at lingerie or swimwear in there because the noxious, starved, implanted, contorted, bodies on the women. It's distracting to see them. Sometimes if you put your thumb over the head, it could substitute for a public service about starvation in other countries.

It's sick... I have a running gag going with my teen stepdaughter.. when we happen to watch tv together (we rarely watch tv), we joke about how only ultra-thin, beautiful, fashion models apparently wash clothes, shop for food, drive cars, etc., every single ad has a supermodel thin woman touting something. Apparently there is no other female in America than 20-something-anorexic-thin-collagen -lipped straight haired ones according to Madison Avenue and Hollywood.

[bicentennial_baby]

62. My upper arm is 7.75 inches around...

and I eat like a horse...gotta problem with that?

[getmeouttahere]

71. not at all, if you're healthy it shouldn't matter....

some of these folks are just saying that your body type shouldn't be an ideal that every girl/women has to live up to

[bicentennial_baby]

73. i agree with that

it's just that these conversations often devolve into a trashfest of anyone who's thin, naturally or not. it bugs me, b/c i've heard it for years, and i just want to be accepted as i am, skinny ass and all.

[noiretextatique]

74. i understand your concern

however, you can't deny that some of these so-called celebraties are starving themselves to fit into the image du jour. i have no problem with thin people, in general...used to be one myself :7

[bicentennial_baby]

75. oh definitely

especially someone like Lara Flynn Boyle, who looks downright skeletal! It's sad, and an unfortunate reflection of how our society values women. I try to have a thicker skin about some things, but this is one that gets me sometimes... :)

[noiretextatique]

77. i can understand that

:grouphug: i am concerned about my niece who is just barely 5 feet tall, slender, and terribly dimpled :7 i can only imagine how many times she will have to endure head pats and condescending comments while working towards her science degree. luckily...she has quite a fighting spirit. too bad she got kicked off her varsity basketball team because of her height...she was the best player, hands down.

[getmeouttahere]

68. This is why I like watching the spanish-language channels...

every now and then...almost all the women are healthy looking....really, really healthy looking...check it out sometime

[Misunderestimator]

59. LOL@Doing 100 clowns with the makeup!

:rofl:

IMO... The look you describe is exceedingly unattractive... The only explanation I can come up with is ... misogynistic men run the fashion industry... Could that be? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :shrug:

[smirkymonkey]

72. Ding, ding, ding

You win the prize!

[KoKo]

76. Most of American Females are classified as "overwheight" on the Health

Insurance charts. And Target/Walmart, etc. and others are gearing up the really "neat" clothing to the "ample," "full figured" and "just a whole lotta love American Woman."

The Designers know that folks in the over Size 24 Crowd want to look GOOD...Look Sexy and Opulent.

It's the NEW AMERICAN CULTURE..get with it or BUSH WILL MARK YOU. :shrug:

[Ripley]

78. I give kudos to Dove..I'm seeing ads with REAL women.

Why has it taken so long?

[Book Lover]

79. No one is saying you *have to* look like that

The most important words a person can learn are "fuck you." Embrace them. If you feel like this bullshit is aimed at you, throw back a good hearty "fuck you" at it, and you'll feel better.

[Ripley]

80. Hello, yeah I know how to say that.

Are you confusing me with someone else?

Been there. Done that. That would be part of the "fuck you" thing.

[Book Lover]

81. No

I responded to your post with my opinion. Sorry if it was not up to your bar.

[Ripley]

82. Oh, my bar.

What the hell is my bar?

[Book Lover]

83. I'm not sure what I said that so pissed you off

so rather than going through a dozen posts of back and forth, let's just end this now. If you want to complain about what you see in People magazine, fine, whatever. If you're not interested in my two cents, again, whatever. Welcome to my ignore list.

[AX10]

84. The women I see in the magazines are ugly.

They have no shape to them whatsoever.

It's very sad to see this crap being sold to our children

[Nikia]

88. I am in an eating disorder support group

At our last meeting, we talked about body image. Most of the young woman have had the experience of hearing others, especially men, talk about how attractive the thin women are. All of the women in my group have one thing in common, we are perfectionists. We found that we could be thin too by controlling our bodies. Listening to them talk, I sometimes wonder why there aren't more young women with eating disorders. In short, our culture pushes us to achievement. An achievement for women is to be thin. Is it suprising that some of us get carried away with it?
I realize my problem. I look at myself naked in the mirror. On one hand, I see my ribs and hip bones sticking out and know that I have to gain weight. On the otherhand, I see my fat stomach and upper thighs. This is how I am gentically. If I only had 10 pounds of fat on my whole body, 8 1/2 of it would be in those areas. I cannot be perfect. At my current weight, I will be both too skinny and fat to wear a bikini according to standards of perfection. Perhaps, being perfect is overrated. Being healthy is not.